EVANGEL94's Final Slugfest Tournament: Round 3-2; Typhus vs Id369

Started by id3697 pages

I don’t feel like arguing the legality of Jean and the PF. I covered it, its ruled out, Its over. And I dropped the use of the façade virus, because of the legality of how I would acquire it. Since the means of accruing knowledge was deem illegal, and neither Nate or Jean have knowledge of it, I simply refrained from using it.

But no I did not depend entirely on the PF, and I used Nate Grey in ways I don’t think anyone would have come up with. This is why I placed a battle strategy, and argued with out use of the Phoenix Force. (intangibility haxed, Amped Psi Armor, Unleash Full Potential, Impenetrable Force Field, Mind Shield, Concealment, etc..).
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Now if you look back, the legality was not brought up until now. Mind you the Jean mind link, and its association to the PF was submitted since match #1. No one stated it was illegal, just improbable.

So what I did was took in all constructive criticism, and tweaked the prep.
Example:
King Kandy for instance urged that it would have worked if I had Jeans mind, and not her psi signature.
Others urged I needed to revamp the order of how I did things. Have more power at hand first, would facilitate things.

Ok so having the mind would work, no problem I know of a trick to pull that off. And this time unleash his full power first, and have Cerebra ready so this time my abilities augmented with out question.

I replaced Psychometry/Psi Signature for Jeans mind. And ran the list of legality.

**-Am I setting Foot outside the prep area? No and I never did.
**-No outside help, you are restricted to your own means during prep? No problem Nate wields exotic psi powers in an unimaginable ways deem impossible. Like recreating characters, from sheer memory (there is some explanation behind how its done and I provided it).
**-Am I communing with forces outside of the universe? No its Jeans fractured mind, I am attempting to link up with and re-forge.

^^ Now following the above, I was assured I didn’t pull out a fast one. But the loop hole was brought into question. This is because Jeans fractured conscious, reside in the fractured pieces of the Phoenix force. Well since, those pieces are merged with the Force I was going take advantage of the loop hole.

Establishing a link to the fractured mind = establishing a link the Phoenix Force. And as it shown in the comic, all it takes is a link to call forth its power. This is why I placed a mental shields, I didn’t want any one getting smart, and server the link from Jean to the PF via the Charka Crown located at the top of Jean head.

In the end, I think I came up with a convincible way to gain the PF unlike my match with King Kandy. Only this time, instead of member crying out improbable, its invalid in every sense of the word. Well shit on me, and I thought I was following the rules down to the letter of the word.

And that’s the entire story.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
eh, guess it wasn't as convincing to Evangel ...

By which you must surely mean "I guess he didn't act like a complete ***** and spam her PM box with twenty copies of the same sentences."

As evident; the louder you *****, the more likely you are to win.

Originally posted by Soljer
By which you must surely mean "I guess he didn't act like a complete ***** and spam her PM box with twenty copies of the same sentences."

As evident; the louder you *****, the more likely you are to win.

its sad you and cresh believe that was the reason Evangel ruled the way she did

is it really incomprehensible to you she may have felt differently about the validity of Digi's argument?

Also, she stated MANY people complained, not just one guy spamming her. Are you calling her a liar? 🙄

id369, I just want to say your presentation of the debate was phenomenal...rarely are debates a pleasure (aesthetically) to read!

Here I thought I was being to anal with detail. Glad you can make out of the mess I typed up. ^__^.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Are you calling her a liar? 🙄

Funny how much you enjoy putting words into peoples' mouths. 🙂.

Originally posted by Soljer
Funny how much you enjoy putting words into peoples' mouths. 🙂.
not at all, you basically dismissed Evangel's valid reasons for her decision and stated that she only did so because one guy spammed her inbox. I would say that's akin to calling her a liar.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
not at all, you basically dismissed Evangel's valid reasons for her decision and stated that she only did so because one guy spammed her inbox. I would say that's akin to calling her a liar.

But no one else other than stacks in the tourney had voiced any complaints about it 🙄

He's the only one who continued to B*tch

Really name one Tourney competitor who would have complained about this. Everyone except stacks in the tourney was on Digi's side on this matter 😉

Originally posted by Devil Lance
But no one else other than stacks in the tourney had voiced any complaints about it 🙄

He's the only one who continued to B*tch

Really name one Tourney competitor who would have complained about this. Everyone except stacks in the tourney was on Digi's side on this matter 😉

Evangel has stated that many who were against Digi's argument chose to voice their complaints through PM and that she'll respect their privacy and not post who they were, so Stacks certainly is not the only one complaining....unless you assume Evangel is lying.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Evangel has stated that many who were against Digi's argument chose to voice their complaints through PM and that she'll respect their privacy and not post who they were, so Stacks certainly is not the only one complaining....unless you assume Evangel is lying.

I can respect peoples' privacy, but the fact remains that no argument for the rule change was presented except for the complaints. Complaints in and of themselves shouldn't get rules changed unless they have some sort of logical backing behind it.

it does look like instant tech though;

-15 minutes to build GALACTUS KILLING CANNON
-matter manipulator getting blueprints via mind link
-the fight is in an underground tunnel system

???wouldn't the cave turn to plasma when heated thus killing some of your team???

dude, you should have ditched the gun and used thor to his fullest.
you didn't have to quit either.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
jeebus, there's so much wrong with your post it needs to be addressed point-by-point:

"So despite the lack of valid evidence to support their case you still gave in to the underhanded tactic of complain about it enough to get you to go against valid logic and evidence anyway?"
-- You think there is a lack of valid evidence. Others think there IS valid evidence. Evangel listened to both sides and disagreed with your assessment. Deal with it.

How about if you post it? Or better yet learn to fucking read:

Originally posted by Evangel94
No one could actually come up with any solid scan evidence that actually displayed Mogo being above Herald level.

There was valid evidence Master-Troll? Eva says No one could come up with any.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Don't you see that that's my main complaint? You have people who have this idea that they can just complain to get the other partricipant's legitimate picks banned just by complaining.
And they CAN because they DID.

What the hell is your stake in this? You're not a competitor. So what's it to you? You enjoying the cock suck?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
And you gave in. Rather than actually being fair you give in just because people complained.
-- Just by complaining? I doubt that would work.
Well it did. Need I remind you that without any evidence placing Mogo above herlald level he was banned Just because Stacks complained.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
You need to have legitimate complaints that show Evangel's initial rules being circumvented. Joey must've been more convincing that Digi's prep violated instant prep than your argument that it doesn't.
Or he just whined more. How about you try tro read rwhat's going on?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
They were incorrect in their assesment, and their fears were not legitimate. Its an underhanded strategy that appearently works. Complain to you enough and you can get your opponents tossed from the tourny, thus giving you a clear pathway to the crown rather than actually participating in the tournament.
-- How correct their assessment is is subjective.
Incorrect. There was no evidence. Yet they still got their way.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
So, it wasn't underhanded to those who consider their assessment correct.
You mean the one complaining and the tourny director who gave in to whining?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
If you believe incessant complaining works, be Evangel's guest and continue on complaining...don't see it doing much for you so far.
Why are you even in here? You're not a competitor you little troll.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
ITs a rat-bastard thing to do, but appearently it works. You took away Metron's Chair, based on King Kandy complaining about it?
You took away Mogo based on Joey Stacks complaining about it? And then again when Joey Stacks complained about Digi's prep you changed the rule mid tourny after Digi had attempted to use the strategy in two prior matches.
They don't even have to present a decent argument as to why they should have their way. From what it sounds like they just spam your pm box with complaints and you'll jump to.
-- the decency of their argument is subjective.
It was apparently enough even without evidence to get her to change her mind.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
There are people who agree with them and some who agree with you.
Ad populem. It doesn't matter who agrees with whom that doesn't change the facts. There was no evidence.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Evangel even stated she received MANY complaints from MANY posters.
Which might be an exageration to hide the real number. Some of us are smart enough to see through these ruses.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Is that how a person is supposed to win this tournament? Complian loudly enough? This then becomes not a debate tournament, but a tournament of who can ***** the most.
- You've complained quite a bit, how's it been working so far?
How about you troll?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Yet you ban other people who express their concerns. This is why there is this appearence of favoritism. Kandy or Stacks complain they get their way. Other people complain you tell them too bad?
- Who did she ban? Trickster...who everyone was giddy to ban? Or someone else who was violating terms of debate? yeah, 2 cases which pretty much everyone agreed Evangel was in the right to ban, who many of you supported banning and now you use that against Evangel?
I'm getting tired of your trolling. Begone.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Noone voted for stacks, yet he advanced in his match vs Digi. Everyone thought Digi's strat was legit. So why was it an issue?
"Digi gets all the votes, Stacks advances... Don't you see anything MAJORly wrong there?"
-- Evangel SAID she was going to advance Digi had he not quit, or did you fail to read that.
Oh that's rich YOU accusing someone of not reading.

Digi said he became disenchanted after Eva decided to change the rules because stacks complained.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
You know, it's pretty hard to advance someone who is no longer in the tourney. 🙄
Yeah, and what's your stake in this again? The cock suck, troll?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
its sad you and cresh believe that was the reason Evangel ruled the way she did

is it really incomprehensible to you she may have felt differently about the validity of Digi's argument?

Also, she stated MANY people complained, not just one guy spamming her. Are you calling her a liar? 🙄

It's sad that you have the reading comprehension level of mayonaise

Originally posted by Evangel94
No one could actually come up with any solid scan evidence that actually displayed Mogo being above Herald level.

"No evidence? That's fine You complained enough for me to rule in your favor."

Originally posted by Soljer
Funny how much you enjoy putting words into peoples' mouths. 🙂.
That's not all he likes putting in people's mouths.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I can respect peoples' privacy, but the fact remains that no argument for the rule change was presented except for the complaints. Complaints in and of themselves shouldn't get rules changed unless they have some sort of logical backing behind it.
And we already know that no evidence is enough evidence:

Originally posted by Evangel94
No one could actually come up with any solid scan evidence that actually displayed Mogo being above Herald level.

Creshosk, resorting to insults and sexual innuendos is really unbecoming of you, there's absolutely no need to lower our discourse to such a level. It merely diminishes the credibility and any possible validity your arguments possess when you engage in unnecessary and unprovoked below the belt attacks.

You're right, I'm not a competitor. But I am a respected elder of KMC, and therefore have not only a right but also a duty to maintain the sanctum of this community...especially since I aspire to be a mod one day. When I feel I need to lend my voice in a controversial debate, I will certainly do so and will neither seek your approval nor require your permission.

I'm not going to rehash anymore points. I've already provided my thoughts on the issue, and you have yours (although you could have done so a bit more artfully), nothing more can be accomplished in this ***--for-tat nonsense.

Cresh and MB, this has been going on for 2 days. I don't want to see this carry over to another thread. Please take it to PMs or put each other on ignore. Thanks.

It's all yours Evangel94.

Votes for Typhus: 3
Air Legend
Bentley
Symmetric Chaos

Votes for id369: 1
Creshosk

Typhus advances to the next round. Id369 is sent to the last chance finale to compete for a spot in the tournament.

4 votes?

Does that seem a bit ... low?