Originally posted by id369
I recreated Jean Grey with out the phoenix force. With a thought or memory of Jean Grey, she is pulled from the astral plane, into a solidified psionic shell. Nate was able to recreate AoA Gwen Stacy, even though he was in the 616 reality.I never left the battlefield. I paid 4 points for Jean Grey No Phoenix Force. Now I wish to recreate Jean, to attain Jean’s mind. I didn’t think I was braking any rules, since I drafted Jean Grey with No Phoenix.
I figured hell, I drafted Jean and only retained her body. I guess its no problem if I pull out her mind from the astral plane.
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LOOPEHOLE
This Jean will suffer from amnesia. This is because her mind is split into a billion pieces.
Where are her other pieces of her mind located?
Within the fragments of the Phoenix Force. Each piece of the Phoenix Force, contains a fragment of Jean conscious.
What is the Phoenix Force?
A cosmic entity.
Why are the Phoenix and Jean shattered to a million pieces?
Because at last seen, they had merged. And last seen Xorn blew them up with a massive EMP.
Where are the pieces of the phoenix force?
Lingering across the galaxy.
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Ok so what did I do?
Recreated Jean.
Attempting to reform her conscious.
The conscious reside within the fragments of the phoenix force.------------------------------------------------
My questions are?
What going to happen if you re-establish a link to those pieces of your conscious?Did I break any rules? [/B]
I think summoning Jean's mind from the astral plane, other parts of the galaxy, or wherever it is located to the battlefield is a violation of the summoning rule.
Originally posted by Evangel94So calling in other parts of your actual caharacter violates the summoning rule?
I think summoning Jean's mind from the astral plane, other parts of the galaxy, or wherever it is located to the battlefield is a violation of the summoning rule.
Seriously, your rules are very poorly written.
Originally posted by BentleyI draft helboy, I can't summon parts of hellboy would be a more accurate assesment.
So I draft Hellboy and then summon the creature from which he has only the right arm. 😬I don't know why people who based their entire strategies in loophole rules are so surprised of being kicked out of this, Digi asked about his ruling before at least, did you Id369?
He drafts jean grey, he can't summon a part of jean grey?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Seriously, your rules are very poorly written.
actually they're not. they just require some common sense to conform to.
Or else, why didn't id just draft Phoenix, rather than Jean Grey? The whole point was because he knew he could sneak Phoenix in only by picking Jean Grey and getting phoenix through the loophole of summoning.
You're right that id didn't technically violate the rule since he drafted someone who was allowed (jean), but he certainly violated the spirit of the rule, which was to limit the drafting to only a certain powerlevel...which the Phoenix was a clear violation of.
And Evangel is taking a lot of flack from people...I kinda feel bad for her. When she made the ruling against Digi, I was impressed (regardless of whether I agreed or not) with her ruling because it was clearly an unpopular choice...going against the mod and other influential members wasn't going to gain her any favor, yet she still did it. She could've easily dismissed Papa Smurph and everyone would've praised her, but she went against what was popular and perhaps majority opinion and stood for what she believed was right.
Also, instead of complaining about how poor Evangel is doing her tourney, why don't the folks who are criticizing her make their own (controversy-less) tournaments, its certainly more productive than bashing someone who's volunteered their time for the benefit of the KMC community.
So in conclusion, stop all the whining and bitching.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaoswell I feel people should respect the 'spirit' of the rules...its hard to make rules that someone won't somehow find someway to circumvent. we've got some creative folks in here after all.
Well that's the problem people are having. Evangel made certain assumptions about how much people would respect the spirit of her rules. Hammering them out a bit more specifically would have been good.Anyway I think this Tournament can keep going.
Originally posted by Master-BorgSo in conclusion how much are you paying? Or is this what you're paying for it?
actually they're not. they just require some common sense to conform to.Or else, why didn't id just draft Phoenix, rather than Jean Grey? The whole point was because he knew he could sneak Phoenix in only by picking Jean Grey and getting phoenix through the loophole of summoning.
You're right that id didn't technically violate the rule since he drafted someone who was allowed (jean), but he certainly violated the spirit of the rule, which was to limit the drafting to only a certain powerlevel...which the Phoenix was a clear violation of.
And Evangel is taking a lot of flack from people...I kinda feel bad for her. When she made the ruling against Digi, I was impressed (regardless of whether I agreed or not) with her ruling because it was clearly an unpopular choice...going against the mod and other influential members wasn't going to gain her any favor, yet she still did it. She could've easily dismissed Papa Smurph and everyone would've praised her, but she went against what was popular and perhaps majority opinion and stood for what she believed was right.
Also, instead of complaining about how poor Evangel is doing her tourney, why don't the folks who are criticizing her make their own (controversy-less) tournaments, its certainly more productive than bashing someone who's volunteered their time for the benefit of the KMC community.
So in conclusion, stop all the whining and bitching.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
actually they're not. they just require some common sense to conform to.Or else, why didn't id just draft Phoenix, rather than Jean Grey? The whole point was because he knew he could sneak Phoenix in only by picking Jean Grey and getting phoenix through the loophole of summoning.
You're right that id didn't technically violate the rule since he drafted someone who was allowed (jean), but he certainly violated the spirit of the rule, which was to limit the drafting to only a certain powerlevel...which the Phoenix was a clear violation of.
And Evangel is taking a lot of flack from people...I kinda feel bad for her. When she made the ruling against Digi, I was impressed (regardless of whether I agreed or not) with her ruling because it was clearly an unpopular choice...going against the mod and other influential members wasn't going to gain her any favor, yet she still did it. She could've easily dismissed Papa Smurph and everyone would've praised her, but she went against what was popular and perhaps majority opinion and stood for what she believed was right.
Also, instead of complaining about how poor Evangel is doing her tourney, why don't the folks who are criticizing her make their own (controversy-less) tournaments, its certainly more productive than bashing someone who's volunteered their time for the benefit of the KMC community.
So in conclusion, stop all the whining and bitching.
You agreed with her when she changed a rule mid-tourney?! You can admire it for "going against the grain" as you seem to imply, but there's a valid reason why it was against the grain. It was changing a rule entirely to invalidate a previously approved plan...not an unforeseen loophole, but something that was known and brought to her attention.
As for whining and b*tching, you have a point that less people should be doing it, but there's also legitimate times where complaining is warranted. And when rules aren't clear, or are changed, that is an appropriate time. It might've been interesting to see what reaction was like if goober had still been around, and his previously approved plan had been negated by the same change.
Props to id for stepping down (sine I think that's what he did) when he realized he was against the rules. It's easier than fighting for a losing cause and becoming more annoyed, which is why I stepped down after the rug got pulled out from under me as well.
And a controversy-less tourney is an oxymoron, so you're really just spouting ideological nonsense with that one. Good tourney directors, and good tourneys, have happened frequently, but never entirely without controversy. Part of it is that when you throw a bunch of pseudo-mature comic geeks (many of them teens) together in a competition, they lose whatever civility they possess. But some of it can also be attributed to the directors...whom I always empathize with to an extent, because it's far harder than most realize to run an efficient tourney. But that doesn't make them beyond reproach.
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The problem, in my mind, seems to be that Evangel (and now yourself) are simply trying to squelch dissent rather than listening to it and adapting. People were banned from voting for disagreeing with some of the rules. They are told what to think in terms of how we should approach matches, whether its prep plans or drafted teams, rather than deciding on our own. There was no concession to those (I count 4 now) whose plans have been banned, either by a failure on the part of the participant or the director...no apologies, no compromises, not even a chance to make the case for the other side (I was never given a voice in my match's decision, though apparently Stacks was).