Paladin (Diablo) Vs. Ganon (/W touch of balance)

- Paladin with full skill-tree, top level, perfect AI and top-gear (Chosen by debator, but no enigma). Game mechanics disabled (Such as 95% block rate, incapability of jumping and handicap movement), but game-skills touched with lore and common sense included. Enigma is not permitted. His resistances is instead of percent converted into just plain resistance to all damage. Charge/Smite spam unallowed. Game attributes still applies, only taken up with common sense and not actual "numbers", whereas 1000 = Perfect and 15 = Very terrible.

- Ganon without the plot immortality (Weapons of light/triforce immortality), his ability to destroy the soul/spirit is also removed. He is limited to only summon a hand-few minions, and he has been forced to wear a plate helmet to cover his not too pretty face from public.

- Defeat by knock-out or incapability of continuance, death not necessary.

- Setting is a random forest.

Getting stabbed in the forehead doesn't knock Ganon out. Ganon rips the Paladins armor off and rips his head off.

And I assume you think that the Paladin will just let him? This is paladin /w lore and top AI, and not the crappy paladin that is lousyfied by game-mechanics..

Originally posted by Nozdormu
And I assume you think that the Paladin will just let him? This is paladin /w lore and top AI, and not the crappy paladin that is lousyfied by game-mechanics..

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I'm not familiar with lore Pally.

Which explains why you jump the gun so quickly in Ganon's favor..

Edit: This annoys me.. People determining a winner before having any facts..

Originally posted by Nozdormu
Which explains why you jump the gun so quickly in Ganon's favor..

Edit: This annoys me.. People determining a winner before having any facts..

Mighty warriors from the Westmarch, bound to the light with immense strength and faith.. A pack of elite soldiers who gain strength both at spirit and body from their fate and has even their armors enhanced with the powers of the light.. A paladin stand stronger and longer than any other warrior on the planet, with a shield blessed with the light and a hammer that can smash the thickest of armor open.. They also have a high versality of skills from both their talents as a warrior soldier and a priest..

Originally posted by Nozdormu
Mighty warriors from the Westmarch, bound to the light with immense strength and faith.. A pack of elite soldiers who gain strength both at spirit and body from their fate and has even their armors enhanced with the powers of the light.. A paladin stand stronger and longer than any other warrior on the planet, with a shield blessed with the light and a hammer that can smash the thickest of armor open.. They also have a high versality of skills from both their talents as a warrior soldier and a priest..

What about feats?

A powerful paladin about matches a barbarian in strength, overcomes a barbarian in endurance, outspeeds the amazon warriors and possess more power over the holy than the members of the Brotherhood of the monks..

As for feats, that hasnt been shown much of.. We only know about the paladin in general, since no great paladin has been named.. We know they were the elites of King Leoric, and that they can have the crappiest of weapon to do immense damage, as well as the crappiest armor to be extremely endurant thanks to their connection to the light..

When talking lore paladins, you should think game-paladin, only without the mechanics, greater strength, agility and skills in combat 😉

Awww! No enigma? 🙁

Of course, that would have left Ganon pretty screwed 😛

Give the paladin a Ravenfrost, a torch and a wild socketed complete Griswolds perhaps. That should do the trick. Or we could send "Darko", my brother's paladin on him. Fast finish 😉

Originally posted by Nozdormu
A powerful paladin about matches a barbarian in strength, overcomes a barbarian in endurance, outspeeds the amazon warriors and possess more power over the holy than the members of the Brotherhood of the monks..

As for feats, that hasnt been shown much of.. We only know about the paladin in general, since no great paladin has been named.. We know they were the elites of King Leoric, and that they can have the crappiest of weapon to do immense damage, as well as the crappiest armor to be extremely endurant thanks to their connection to the light..

When talking lore paladins, you should think game-paladin, only without the mechanics, greater strength, agility and skills in combat 😉

2. So this is basically gameplay Pally.

3. So gameplay, but without the obvious mechanics.

Yeah, Ganon wins.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. And how strong, endurant, fast, and powerful are they? Because in-game, NONE of them rival Ganon in those departments.

Might want to think about that.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. So this is basically gameplay Pally.

3. So gameplay, but without the obvious mechanics.

Yeah, Ganon wins.

Originally posted by DarkC
They're strong, endurant, fast, and powerful enough to take down the three Prime Evils solo if you're going to base your argument upon game mechanics only.

Might want to think about that.

Let me see some actual arguments instead of a dismissive "Ganon wins" on your behalf and repeating points made by others.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
He mentioned no feats, and did not elaborate on what made those classes strong or fast. With the info he provided, Ganon wins and easily.

Combat Skills
Offensive Auras
Defensive Auras

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
He mentioned no feats, and did not elaborate on what made those classes strong or fast. With the info he provided, Ganon wins and easily.

You havent mentioned much feats either.. The Diablo Paladin is how he is in-game, only smarter and more effective.. All you are saying is that Ganondorf is stronger, without backing it up with anything.. You are also saying his minions are stronger, without backing it up..

Lets think like this then:

In Diablo a warrior downed Diablo's complete form. A barbarian is stronger than a Diablo warrior, while a Paladin is on par or perhaps even beyond the Barbarian. A Paladin also has the majority of skills that a warrior has and many skills on par to the barbarian. They also have holy abilities, which enhance all their abilities vastly and grants them a bunch of more.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. And how strong, endurant, fast, and powerful are they? Because in-game, NONE of them rival Ganon in those departments.

2. So this is basically gameplay Pally.

3. So gameplay, but without the obvious mechanics.

Yeah, Ganon wins.

1. Oh, I guess an amazon can run a kilometer in a few seconds, dodge the majority of attacks, both projectiles and melee strikes. If you say you have not seen anything that can rival Ganon, you have clearly played too little Diablo 2, or you are very BIASed. The barbarian can for example carry two swords the size of Ganon's one, they strike ten times faster than him, they run faster than him and the paladin is above the barbarian at all physical capabilities.

2. Yes, with perfect AI, gear and a touch of lore. The touch of lore is so that you wont base it entirely on the diablo character, but instead think outside the box. For a paladin can jump, they can dodge and they can parry. They are elite soldiers and should be treaten like that, and not some minor game-character.

3. lol. You are basing this on....? You havent brought up anything to back you up.. only "Ganon is better at this", "Ganon is better at that". Is that all you can think of as proof that the Paladin is chanceless?

Why do people have such a hard time accepting the fact that Diablo Heroes ARE powerful? 😐 Is it because they are not named? Is it because people does not think Diablo/Baal/Mephisto seems any powerful in the game? Is it because of the large number of game-mechanics? The gear dependancy?

I have never understood why people see so lowly on the Diablo Heroes who in fact are VERY powerful shockyes

Paladin wins

Ime not a paladin expert, since although i played them a lot in diablo, ive not played it in years

BUT

surely a Herald of Zak shield, BoTD single hander and some other high level items and youll have a guy with mostly indestructable armour and weapons, who can charge shield first (which is empowered with holy energy) knocking back ganon, doing a zeal and Ganon is meat, this is spite on Ganon, who will have no way of winning imo

the guys strength would mean nothing, one slash from a BOTD and he cannot heal, his endurance will reduce, he will have both his life essence and magical power drained with every slash and thats just the one runeword i can think up, theres so many items a paladin with EVERY skill would be incredible, all his auras, remember gameplay can be the only reason a paladin can only have one Aura, i mean wtf, an Aura is like something about you, a special force, you dont choose what one, if hes got all his auras, he would have every one of them active, Ganon would be smashed by every element just by coming close

Perhaps a ZOD in every piece of sockable armor 😛 That should prevent Ganon from ripping it all asunder 😄

well exactley, the power of the increased defense from Holy shield, defiance etc should be enough alone to make the Paladin near indestuctable without wearing already indestructalble equipment

Ganon gets blasted by the elements into pieces as soon as he gets close

Too bad Smite/Charge spam was disabled. It would have been lovely to see Ganon humiliated 🙄