Punisher vs Crossbones H2H

Why? If you're asking why to my first statement, then because Bullseye got some pretty solid hits in before Frank got the upper hand on him.

For the second statement, it's because Crossbones is practically a super-soldier who can hang with and has beaten a good healthy Captain America. Punisher has admitted before that in hand to hand he would lose to Cap, so I reckon he would lose to Crossbones without weapons or prep.

Originally posted by Etrigan
Why? If you're asking why to my first statement, then because Bullseye got some pretty solid hits in before Frank got the upper hand on him.

Oh no I wanst refering to that you were right.

Originally posted by Etrigan

For the second statement, it's because Crossbones is practically a super-soldier who can hang with and has beaten a good healthy Captain America. Punisher has admitted before that in hand to hand he would lose to Cap, so I reckon he would lose to Crossbones without weapons or prep.

Are you sure about that...Crossbones has lost to Cap when he didnt have the SSS.

Also.....

That's a fair point. But in the old Punisher respect thread I recall reading a fight where Punisher fought Cap and admitted that he would lose hand-to-hand, and so had to escape him by helicopter. And Crossbones has lost to Cap before, yeah, but he generally would give Cap trouble in H2H so I'm willing to bet he would give quite a bit more of that trouble to Punisher. Punisher's a good H2H combatant, but I feel that he simply doesn't have what it takes to bring down a super-soldier without weaponry.

Lets see some facts: Punisher said that Bucky would kill him in hand to hand. Crossbones shit-stomped Bucky until he drew a gun and shot CB while dropping through a window.

Crossbones 10/10

Originally posted by Etrigan
That's a fair point. But in the old Punisher respect thread I recall reading a fight where Punisher fought Cap and admitted that he would lose hand-to-hand, and so had to escape him by helicopter.

I honestly think that was bad writing because if you look at the above feat Frank really should be able to hold his own against Cap. Its just that nowhere days some writers think that Frank is just a guy with a gun...yeah anyway that did happen.

Originally posted by Etrigan

And Crossbones has lost to Cap before, yeah, but he generally would give Cap trouble in H2H so I'm willing to bet he would give quite a bit more of that trouble to Punisher. Punisher's a good H2H combatant, but I feel that he simply doesn't have what it takes to bring down a super-soldier without weaponry.

Ok but do you have lots of examples of him giving Cap trouble in H2H with the SSS, because I think in other examples hes used prep.

Originally posted by Bentley
Lets see some facts: Punisher said that Bucky would kill him in hand to hand. Crossbones shit-stomped Bucky until he drew a gun and shot CB while dropping through a window.

Crossbones 10/10

I dunno man WS has beaten the **** out of Crossbones before. Frank has actually beaten DD before and ****ed him up, so really Crossbones should not win 10/10

I think 10/10 is taking it too far; Punisher is very skilled in H2H, while not on Crossbones level I think he could make a worthy attempt.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Even if he was toying with him he should have been good enough to turn it around. Furthermore since has good showings against DD, BW and Wolverine he should be able to beat him.

I think you need to read the scans again.

He also has some very shitty showings vs dd as well, BW fight was far to short to show anything, Wolverine fight was not h2h and if it was h2h punisher would loses with in a pannel.

No I really don't need to read the scann again Punisher never hit BW while they fought, let alone stompped her.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok but do you have lots of examples of him giving Cap trouble in H2H with the SSS, because I think in other examples hes used prep.

During the Kingpin/Red Skull fight (I believe it's in the Kingpin respect thread) Crossbones gave Cap plenty of trouble, at one part outsmarted him and managed to wrench his shield away from him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone I dunno man WS has beaten the **** out of Crossbones before. Frank has actually beaten DD before and ****ed him up, so really Crossbones should not win 10/10 [/B]

When the hell has Frank ever ****ed Daredevil up?

Ican't understand why so many people reckon Crossbones takes Frank easily. Neither are enhanced, but both have outstanding unarmed combat skills. Both men could, unarmed, take on a gang of ordinary thugs and and beat them up.
Until I see a fight between the 2 that proves otherwise, I say its 5/5 or 6/4 either way

Yeah, they are both outstanding in unarmed combat, but Crossbones is stronger and faster s well as that, which tips the scales in his favour. I think if he could get hold of Frank, maybe break his neck or take one of his eyes, then it would all be over.

Originally posted by Etrigan
During the Kingpin/Red Skull fight (I believe it's in the Kingpin respect thread) Crossbones gave Cap plenty of trouble, at one part outsmarted him and managed to wrench his shield away from him.

When the hell has Frank ever ****ed Daredevil up?

I've seen that thread too. In 1 scan Cap says the Crossbones is stroner than him, because he is without his Super soldier serun

Originally posted by Etrigan
During the Kingpin/Red Skull fight (I believe it's in the Kingpin respect thread) Crossbones gave Cap plenty of trouble, at one part outsmarted him and managed to wrench his shield away from him.

Yeah Cap did not have SSS.

Originally posted by Etrigan

When the hell has Frank ever ****ed Daredevil up?

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My bad. But I still think Crossbones can hang with Cap in H2H when Cap has the SS serum.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah Cap did not have SSS.

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The first fight, was when they first met, I believe, and Punisher had his weaponry there, and so was able to get the drop on DD with the tranquilliser and shoot his club in half. All the other fights I've seen between them, DD has wiped the floor with Frank. Bear in mind that this is a H2H fight and so Frank doesn't have his weapons (he tends to get beaten far more when that's the case, in my opinion.)

The second fight, he confessed that Daredevil was smarter than him, respected his fighting skills, and I think it's safe to say he got ****ed up just as much as DD there, if not more. So Crossbones could **** him up H2H with no trouble.

Originally posted by Etrigan
The first fight, was when they first met, I believe, and Punisher had his weaponry there, and so was able to get the drop on DD with the tranquilliser and shoot his club in half. All the other fights I've seen between them, DD has wiped the floor with Frank. Bear in mind that this is a H2H fight and so Frank doesn't have his weapons (he tends to get beaten far more when that's the case, in my opinion.)

Thats true but he was still doing well and hell DD may not have had a gun but he did have his baton.

I can show you another fight were Frank fights DD and doesnt get humiliated

Originally posted by Etrigan

The second fight, he confessed that Daredevil was smarter than him, respected his fighting skills, and I think it's safe to say he got ****ed up just as much as DD there, if not more. So Crossbones could **** him up H2H with no trouble.

Bro he might have said that but in the acual fight DD got ****ed up so thats irrelevant.

Crossbones wins.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Thats true but he was still doing well and hell DD may not have had a gun but he did have his baton.

I can show you another fight were Frank fights DD and doesnt get humiliated

Please do. The one in Typhoid Mary on the rooftop? DD was the clear upper-hand there. And in the DD vs Punisher mini, where your second fight was from, DD humiliated Frank in another fight too.

Ok, maybe I exaggerated, but Crossbones really kicked Bucky's ass in the last showing, he may not win 10/10 but he certainly is far superior to Frank. 8/10.

Frank doesnt get owned.

Please do. The one in Typhoid Mary on the rooftop? DD was the clear upper-hand there. And in the DD vs Punisher mini, where your second fight was from, DD humiliated Frank in another fight too.

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