Originally posted by Sado22
"punisher fought him equally in their first meeting and second meeting. you are wrong and i am right. and since YOU posted those pics of frank getting pwned, i am automatically right even though you make sense and i could change my mind right about now.................but still you are wrong and i'm right. period. i don't care if i posted one pic of frank winning and you posted 10 with him being pwned by the same guy. i am right and you are wrong. in fact you are fanboy. that's right! you are a fanboy! stupid fanboy makes no damn sense! fanboy! fanboy!"~Jinzin 😛
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Originally posted by Etrigan
Please do. The one in Typhoid Mary on the rooftop?
Originally posted by Etrigan
DD was the clear upper-hand there.
Yes but you are missing the point. DD is better at H2H than Crossbones and Punisher was giving him a good fight he wasnt humilated, if he can give DD a good fight he can beat Crossbones.
This is not really a fight but its shows that DD was not able to completely defend himself against Punisher.
Originally posted by Etrigan
And in the DD vs Punisher mini, where your second fight was from, DD humiliated Frank in another fight too.
So what does that prove...DD humiliated him in one fight but Frank Castle dislocated his arm and bust his face in another one....so we just focus on one fight and negate the rest
i've seen DD and frank fight several times and all i've seen is them fighting without going all out. Frank never tries to kill DD and DD never wants to hurt frank too badly cuz despite everything they are "friends" in ways.
the one time though that DD DID want to seriously beat the shit out of frank was in Punvolu4, confederary of dunces, and even then frank wasn't going all out and not trying to kill him. they fought to the finish that one time and Frank won, dislocated both his arms and would have shot him if he wanted to.
everyone knows that DD is the better H2H fighter. no one's denying it. the fact is though that there is more to fighting than skills. frank's a regular brawler and isn't above using the envirnoment or weapons or even dust against his opponent. that's his edge. that's what he relies on. and that's what he used to beat DD in the ONE TIME they fought to the finish.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
i've seen DD and frank fight several times and all i've seen is them fighting without going all out. Frank never tries to kill DD and DD never wants to hurt frank too badly cuz despite everything they are "friends" in ways.
the one time though that DD DID want to seriously beat the shit out of frank was in Punvolu4, confederary of dunces, and even then frank wasn't going all out and not trying to kill him. they fought to the finish that one time and Frank won, dislocated both his arms and would have shot him if he wanted to.everyone knows that DD is the better H2H fighter. no one's denying it. the fact is though that there is more to fighting than skills. frank's a regular brawler and isn't above using the envirnoment or weapons or even dust against his opponent. that's his edge. that's what he relies on. and that's what he used to beat DD in the ONE TIME they fought to the finish.
Good post, Sado. I still see DD as being better due to the fact that he wins the majority of fights they are in (or at least has the upper hand in the ones where they stalemate) and also I believe the one where Frank dislocated DD's arms was an Ennis story, which basically gives Frank "writer's advantage." In one of the fights that Phantom Zone posted before, the one from the DD vs Punisher story, they weren't holding back by any means, and although Punisher dealt out some heavy damage, DD put Frank's leg out of action and had him by the throat when the fight was stopped.
However, I would like to state in Frank's favour that he could easily shoot Daredevil if he wanted to: he has confessed before that he misses DD on purpose a lot of the time. This goes to show how much of a difference I think it makes between them if Frank has no weapons or prep.
Anyway, I suppose all this DD/Frank debate leads to whether Crossbones is a better fighter H2H than DD is. Maybe not, but I think Crossbones' strength makes him win the majority, he's tougher than Frank in brute force as well as being skilled.
thanx. and you're right about DD having the upperhand. he even had the upperhand against frank in the ennis story all the way till the end. heck, despite all the shitthrown at ennis, he always has frank clearly state that he can't beat either DD, logan or spidey on his own. he said outright that they'd hand his @$$ to him. what more is there to say. he just outsmarted them. and he did it in believable ways that were NOT PIS or bad writing at all.
the thing worth mentioning though is that frank NEVER fought to kill DD. he's had DD at his mercy on three occassions that i remember off the top of my head. frank's the type who fights with hatred and killer instinct. it automatically dampens out when he's facing DD or the other boyscouts cuz he wont kill them. heck a few scans back in the issue where he fought Captain America...frank could have killed Cap if he wanted too.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
thanx. and you're right about DD having the upperhand. he even had the upperhand against frank in the ennis story all the way till the end. heck, despite all the shitthrown at ennis, he always has frank clearly state that he can't beat either DD, logan or spidey on his own. he said outright that they'd hand his @$$ to him. what more is there to say. he just outsmarted them. and he did it in believable ways that were NOT PIS or bad writing at all.the thing worth mentioning though is that frank NEVER fought to kill DD. he's had DD at his mercy on three occassions that i remember off the top of my head. frank's the type who fights with hatred and killer instinct. it automatically dampens out when he's facing DD or the other boyscouts cuz he wont kill them. heck a few scans back in the issue where he fought Captain America...frank could have killed Cap if he wanted too.
~Sado
Originally posted by BUSTER1
Too true. Against Crossbones Frank would go all out with no qualms about killing him. Any physical advantage that Crossbones has over Frank, would be negligible, compared to the power gap between Captain America and Spiderman -but we all agree that Cap can give Spiderman a decent fight.
Punisher should not be underestimated h2h. He is very highly skilled in unarmed combat, is in excellent condition, and is very tough, able to ignore pain.
But he's not gonna be able to ignore a broken neck. 🙂
Originally posted by Etrigan
Crossbones is strong enough to subdue Frank and then finish him off with a killer attack. Frank may have pain tolerance (indeed he does) and brawling skills (indeed he does) but without prep and without guns, Crossbones is just going to break him using superior techniques.
Thats possible but you havent established how good he is. You have given exmaples of him doing well againt Cap in weakened states. 😬
Originally posted by BUSTER1
Yeah right-Punisher will just stand there with his eyes closed waiting for it to be over. He won't fight back at all
Okay in all seriousness, We've seen Crossbones go toe to toe with Cap and hold his own, we've seen him do the same with Bullseye, and we've seen him do the same with Winter Soldier...
Punisher's good, but he's basically outmatched here, even if his fighting skills were on par with Bones, and I don't think that they are all things considered, he is still behind in brute strength, and speed isn't his strongsuit. Crossbones takes this.
