Originally posted by Borbarad
Oh DS. Geee...If you want keep your identity a secret, you maybe shouldn't have taken the AIM you entered in your TDTD profile here as username for the starwars.com forums. Not so smart.
Of course you can now try to worm out of the situation by stating that it's just a coincidence that you and TDTD not only share the same name but were also born on the same date in the same year. That aside of both not being creative enough to come up with a nice nickname. And of course you can, after this, try to explain to the listening audience why you registered here at exactly the same date TDTD was banned. I'd say the list of coincidence is a little bit too long, eh?
Just because Rex isn't aware of the fact that there are things like dynamic IP adresses out there, doesn't mean this applies to me too.
And DS. I'm not saying "OMG you're a loser for something you did enter past date here". Things do change and so do people. No. I did just notice that you went back to your former trolling routine in the last weeks, littering the board with reallife-flame-attempts and pretty much nothing else. In all honesty I don't care if you do that with Nebaris. I'm not a moderator here. But being bold enough to insult an entire forum community here (the moderators and most user of the EoD - including myself), because just feel the urge to insult Janus? Don't you think that was going a little bit too far?
And wow DS. You're also back to the "I'm not a troll despite I'm trolling - you just don't understand what a troll is" speeches that you err... TDTD used to give when being called a troll. Pathetic.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
When was the last time I said DE Sidious loses a fight when it was unreasonable? Over a year? Two years?
An admission that you have been unreasonable? We are making progress.
When have I argued against yours or another's stilted and biased view of PT Sidious? Quite often? At least once a week?
It's in your best interest to not lecture on bias, Janus? I've asserted that Sidious was equal to Yoda in combat. In contrast, you asserted and made a veritable campaign that "LOLZ! Dooku is better than Sidiuz!"
But you've never learned to differentiate between DE Sidious and PT Sidious, always molding them together when it suits you and never mentally separating them, because you know that PT Sidious is a complete wuss compared to his later self.
Compared to his later self? Certainly. But so are most Force users, so it's really not productive to consign them all as "wusses".
Of course, I'm glad you can read well enough to see that much. Keep on plugging away, Escape. Maybe someday you'll look back at all this and see just how dense you've been. But hey- at least you have what? Two supporters? Maybe three?
Supporters? Janus, I'm not out to build a cult of social rejects or Star Wars fans for the purposes of glorifying Palpatine. While that mentality might have worked for you, with the Ancient Sith, you'll come to find that not everyone carries your precise degree of obsession.
I could see if I was out to prove DE Sidious was inferior to everyone and couldn't beat Coleman Trebor, but that hasn't been the case. DE Sidious, as I have said before, is powerful. I reread DE and I conceded that much a long time ago. You need to accept this and move on. If me admitting that is a "victory" to you, you need to seriously reevaluate your reason for posting here. I came to a conclusion which was reasonable by reviewing the source materials and completely ignoring anything you said is not a "victory" for you, and it certainly does jack-all for your current PT Sidious debates.
Janus, the only thing I've attempted to do regarding this Sidious is assert that he is the most powerful of Bane's Order (which, according to the DSSB, he is), that he is the greatest Sith Lord of all time, (which, according to the CVD, he is), and that he's had more of an effect on the Force, directly, than any other Sith we know of (which, according to AotC, RotS, and various supplemental sources, he has).
But then again, I could be wasting my time with you because whenever the debate does not turn in your favor you attack me, my past arguments, my friends, my forum, my age, my profession, and try and play off like you're some sort of mature debating god who's had inexhaustible patience with me being some sort of bashing idiot. Nothing could be further from the truth. Just because you feel you're civil and logical doesn't make it so. I've never had a serious problem with you outside of debate until you took it to the next level some time ago. You cast the first stone, and you went on to bring your bashing, biased viewpoints into EoD and its subsequent remake, and attacked Illustrious when he called you out. You then pissed and moaned, backstabbed me to everyone else via PM, and took your ball and left.
Inexhaustible patience? LOL, hardly, but to assert that it's quite a bit more than you've demonstrated? That's not a stretch at all, Janus. You immediately "go for the kill" and bait and jab and what have you. I don't. You can't even suffer a discussion via private message because, for some reason, it gets your boxers all in a twist. If you want to pretend that you really do have more patience than myself, you may go ahead and do so. But only one of us has demonstrated such behavior, and it sure as hell isn't you.
Likewise, you're one of the very few who contend that I "bash", Janus, since you and your ilk have a greater reputation for it than I. Tell me, wasn't it Traya (an Antedivulian, no less) who suggested to Lightsnake that he commit suicide? As far as insults, Nai with his flawed Dr. House routine and IKC (the shrine in my profile speaks wonders of IKC) fling them out with reckless abandon. Meanwhile, that you and I disagree is nothing. Nebaris and I disagree all the damn time, but I don't hesitate to point out that he has a gifted mind. I refer to you as "brilliant" on a regular basis. Once again, it's in your best interest to not whine or complain about being bashed. All you do is initiate baiting, and when I finally return it, you somehow can't handle it anymore. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.
But amazingly, for someone who was 'wronged" there and disinterested in our viewpoints, arguments, and very being, you sure are knowledgable about what goes on in there, aren't you? I would think that if you didn't respect us and care for what we thought and were really so "above" us and "reasonable" that you wouldn't be tempted to haul off and bash me and my friends and my forum, huh? If I am insufferable and impossible to deal with, why do you continue to reply? Why do you know every single pindrop that happens at EoD?
"Above you"? I'm not the one who asserts on a regular basis that I'm kicking your ass, which -- correct me if I'm very much mistaken (I'm not) -- you've been saying to me every time we debate in the past two weeks?
Here's every single debate with you:You: Skewed viewpoint on a duel or versus match.
Me: Reasonable rebuttal, which usually consists of Occam's Razor, sources, and ruling out the impossible.
Oh, joy.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Just because you feel you're civil and logical doesn't make it so.
You: More skewed viewpoint backed by a vicious denial of the opposite viewpoint. Straw-manning.Me: More rebuttal, another wearisome post detailing why you're wrong.
You: Nitpicking reply which seeks to belittle decent arguments and myself while not offering up any in-depth arguments yourself.
....Me: Tired of your crap again. I decide the argument is concluded because you cannot be reasoned with. You refuse to budge at all.
You: Personal attacks, crowing about "winning" the debate you never even fairly participated in, reinforcement of grand baseless assertions with some cheerleading acts run by DS.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Just because you feel you're civil and logical doesn't make it so.
It all goes to hell at this point. If you hadn't been unwilling to debate and compromise or at least agree to disagree, none of this would ever happen. I disagree and debate against people all the time I don't have great issues with: Nai Fohl, LS, Illustrious, Faunus, etc. They don't haul off and try to belittle me in five different threads while acting self-righteous and logically superior simply because they stonewalled my debate.
Self-righteous and logically superior? WTF? LOL! What the hell was that little diatribe above with the "you" and "me" translations? I get it. So, you can be 'self righteous and logically superior' and then lecture others on it?
"Heightened fanboyism"? Where? Can you provide [b]sources for this? Or is this another baseless assertion?[/B]
"LOLZ Dooku > SIDIOUS!"
"Marka Ragnos > EVERYBODY! LOLZ!"
"Darth BANDON > OBI-WAN LOLZ!"
Need I go on?
No, actually I last told you via PM this:
We're done here. Don't PM me again unless you come to your senses.
...Which is a nice excuse for shunting off all potential discussions and whatnot. Don't ***** about my opinions if you're not willing to hear them out.
Since then I haven't talked debate with you in a PM. That was November of '06, btw. I simply won't waste my time debating with you in a PM when I can have an open forum with third party feedback. You don't like me and don't trust my views on anything, so why would I expect to convince you of anything in a debate? You might listen to a third party, which is the only reason I address your open posts. In reality, I'm debating right over your head and at the audience, convincing them with my points, because I know you can't concede defeat. I've started to just use you as a mouthpiece to show the opposite side so I can make more complete arguments. Yoda versus Sidious was pretty much the icing on the cake. Sadow versus Vader is more of the same. When I ask you for rationally drawn conclusions and sources, you misdirect. At that point I know the point is conceded, even if you can't admit it yourself.
Erm... didn't I concede Yoda versus Sidious? Haven't I conceded to Nebaris? Janus, can you get any of this right, or will I constantly have to come back to correct you?
In reality, I'm debating right over your head and at the audience, convincing them with my points,
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Just because you feel you're civil and logical doesn't make it so.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
They don't haul off and try to belittle me in five different threads while acting self-righteous and logically superior simply because they stonewalled my debate.
Defeat? I'm sorry, in which thread was I debating against you and DE Sidious? Was it this one? No. Yoda versus PT era Sidious? No. Any thread at all this month? No.
You were totally wrong about the whole character, Janus. You've admitted it, and it's okay. It took more maturity than I thought you were capable of.
Gee, where'd you get that baseless assertion from?
I sat at the foot of the master. No one teaches quite as well as you do, Janus.
Again, you seem to know quite a bit considering you don't visit the forums anymore because of your self-imposed exile. It's amazing how you accuse me of folding and being a coward, but you fled from the forum because your views weren't supported.
Well, duh, of course you're a coward. You ran this place with the vaunted "RAGNOS OWNS!" mentality. Lightsnake comes along, and all of a sudden, Ragnos doesn't look all that great. You run off to EoD. Now EoD doesn't give two shits about Ragnos. You come back here every now and then, a place -- according to you -- with no logical ability whatsoever. Then, you run off again. Rinse and repeat.
Meanwhile, at EoD, two administrators were obscenely biased (you'll no doubt try to refute that) and, after I send a mild-mannered private message to you, you reply with a vicious retaliation (I think I might have it saved on my computer, somewhere) and such statements that "Illustrious was utterly right!" (neglecting the common fact that it takes two to argue) and, after you proceeded to bash Sorgo, I decided to tell him how you truly felt and showed him the private messages. So, then, I left. And if you only knew what's happened since, lol.
And really, do you even have a shred of evidence for this baseless assertion as well? No, wait... it's by its very nature baseless. And an assertion. Nevermind.
We can all make room for improvement. Some, Janus, more than others. It's time that we put an emphasis on humor, once again. It reminds me of Nai's constant "Wow, Escape", "Hello, Escape", "Nice one, Escape" that proceeds every single paragraph in everything he's ever written. Some things just aren't funny.
Oh yes, because I'm the height of petty. You've always been honest forthright, all-American, 100% objective, fair and balanced, and you even recycle too.
Well, I'm glad you understand.
As far as quotes are concerned, I've been putting up my own little shrine to you. I figure since you've already obsessed over me and whatnot, it would be only fitting to make a mockery out of every single statement you've ever made and put them in my profile for further use against you later.
It takes a whopping two minutes to whip up a signature, Escape. Don't flatter yourself into thinking I obsess over anything other than sleep and time away from work. I love how you victimize yourself, though. I think you almost believe it, too.
Well, I mean, come on. You're not exactly giving us any reason to think otherwise.
Janus, denial is but the first stage.
You might as well make a final choice, Janus. You can either try to end this via a discussion, or you needn't post at all. Because, with each post, you make lovely contradictions like above, and I'm getting to the point where I'm having a lot of fun pointing them out. You whine and complain and post and fuss and rant endlessly about my opinions, but you've not made one single effort to try to resolve this. An alternative solution? Whine and complain and post ans fuss and rant endlessly that Escape's a big meanie and just forces his pro-Sidious rhetoric on everyone, mwahahaha.
Please. Otherwise, this is going to end the same way. You going back to EoD, probably brag that you've WTFpwned me and I'm not worth your time, and then you'll come back and repeat the same schtick.
If you really want this to end, there's only one way to do it.
For the love of the forums...
Closed, simply because everyone is complaining about everyone else and slinging accusations back and forth like they've got a barrel full of them.
And I'm aware of dynamic IPs, thank you.
Keep it civil, folks, please.
And for future reference, please report all uncensored images, such as Darth Sexy's use of an image that I have removed. Don't do it again.