Final Fantasy VIII vs. Final Fantasy VII

Originally posted by VinCon01
It wasn't proven anywhere. I repeatedly asked for the one I was arguing with to tell me where they're referred to as such in the Reunion Files, and they repeatedly refused to provide a page number, or even the general section in which it was stated. Of course, this isn't even taking into consideration the various typos and mistranslations scattered throughout the Reunion Files (For example, referring to Cloud as a SOLDIER during the Nibelheim period).

Oh, and I'm still waiting for that page number.

It was proven in the movie. Did you watch it? They summoned the Creepers without the aid of Materia.

And that's a translation of the UOG. In the end of it, you will find information about the Reunion Files:

http://faqs.ign.com/articles/698/698416p1.html

Go to the "Character and plot notes" section, and you will find this:

-The Shadow Creepers are referred to as Summons (capital "s"😉.

Actually, I'm quite capable of admitting when I'm wrong. In fact, I do so pretty often. Just not when there's a clear flaw in the argument I'm presented with.

Then stop ignoring the fact the SHM used magic(Summons) without Materia.
Stop ignoring the fact Sephiroth can use magic without Materia. Stop underrating him all the time.

Stop overrating him all the time.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
He's yours.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Stop overrating him all the time.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
He's yours.

You are just pissed because your flawed argument was destroyed, and you got owned by everyone in this thread.

Pissed at what?
The defeat of logic by fanboy bullshit?
Anyone with half-a-brain would be pissed off at your retarded argument that what someone says, even if it blatantly contradicts their work and the very core of reason, should be accepted.
Such blind fealty might be good when serving a dictator but it's lousy for debating facts.

Feats always>Statements.

A writer has stated that Superman Prime could take anyone but PR Beyonder.

Guess that makes it true.

I disagree Jaxx.

I think in that statement he's saying SMP has the power to do so. But then a Chocobo has the power to peck into Sephiroth's brain, thus killing him, but doesn't mean it's going to happen ;p

If the creator says something, then it goes above all else. It is their creation, they can do what they want.

is this allowed?

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I disagree Jaxx.

I think in that statement he's saying SMP has the power to do so. But then a Chocobo has the power to peck into Sephiroth's brain, thus killing him, but doesn't mean it's going to happen ;p

If the creator says something, then it goes above all else. It is their creation, they can do what they want.

Also, the writer of WWH stated that WWH beat Sentry, and said Sentry is the most powerful superhero in the universe, when many are stronger(Cough*Thor*Cough*Silver Surfer).

2. But sometimes the creator or writers can be idiotic morons. Or just say stupid crap.

I am not saying Seph is weaker than Omega Weiss, Chaos, or whatever, only that feats>Statements.

Well, that's them trying to make their characters the best, like a certain roleplay thread i know of. None the less. Statements normally > feats of any kind.

That is fact and period. Also as the creator of something you can say and do what you want with it, that part is law, or so i believe.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Well, that's them trying to make their characters the best, like a certain roleplay thread i know of. None the less. Statements normally > feats of any kind.

That is fact and period. Also as the creator of something you can say and do what you want with it, that part is law, or so i believe.

Let's say a writer says Sephiroth can lift a building singlehanded.

Then in-game he gets crushed by a falling truck and is badly injured by it.

What holds more weight, the feat or the statement?

2. No it isn't. Otherwise we have to accept Superman Prime>Everyone but PR Beyonder level or above, and Sentry could beat Silver Surfer(lol).

Sephiroth does have feats that put him at the most powerful being in FF7.. he infected the lifestream, took over, he held Holy with his willpower for months, that alone puts him above anything any other character has done.

The creators statements are just additional proof that he's the most powerful being.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroth does have feats that put him at the most powerful being in FF7.. he infected the lifestream, took over, he held Holy with his willpower for months, that alone puts him above anything any other character has done.

Oh, and Omega was going to absorb the whole Lifestream. That>anything Sephiroth has done.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. No, he literally means SMP can beat anyone under PR Beyonder. 😐

Also, the writer of WWH stated that WWH beat Sentry, and said Sentry is the most powerful superhero in the universe, when many are stronger(Cough*Thor*Cough*Silver Surfer).

2. But sometimes the creator or writers can be idiotic morons. Or just say stupid crap.

I am not saying Seph is weaker than Omega Weiss, Chaos, or whatever, only that feats>Statements.

Umm first of all, the writer never claimed Sentry is the most powerful superhero in the universe. SPIDER-MAN said Sentry was the most powerful superhero(or human, i forgot which he said) in the GALAXY, and blackbolt was second until WWH kicked his ass

Stop twisting things into "writer said this and that" when you aren't even giving a remotely accurate quote.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Umm first of all, the writer never claimed Sentry is the most powerful superhero in the universe. [b]SPIDER-MAN said Sentry was the most powerful superhero(or human, i forgot which he said) in the GALAXY, and blackbolt was second until WWH kicked his ass

Stop twisting things into "writer said this and that" when you aren't even giving a remotely accurate quote. [/B]

CBR News sat down one last time with "WWH" writer Greg Pak for his thoughts on the battle set to answer the question of who's the strongest one in the Marvel Universe? The Green King or the Golden Guardian of Good? Let's get ready to rumble! (TM)
Greg Pak: "Of course, a match-up such as this is likely to be determined not by internal factors but instead by pure, brute strength. Or is it? "The Sentry's power approaches the cosmic," Pak explained. "The Hulk's the strongest one there is. Can a cosmic level hero withstand the mightiest blows of the strongest one there is? Can the strongest one there is survive a cosmic level assault? You'll have to read 'World War Hulk' #5 to find out"

Okay, I got the quote wrong, Hulk is the "strongest there is" lol.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
He infected a tiny portion of the Lifestream. And don't give me that covered Midgar crap, Midgar isn't even equal to 1/10 of the planet. Held Holy with WILLPOWER. Fat load that would do in a fight.

Oh, and Omega was going to absorb the whole Lifestream. That>anything Sephiroth has done.

How would that be a "fat load" in a fight? He held all 8 characters with his willpower, he brought down the top of the shinra building with just a thought, he held Holy which is capable of "ending everything", explain how that wouldn't be useful in a fight if he used it to its full potential?

Omega was going to absorb the lifestream? Ur point..? So was Sephiroth in FF7, in AC He took over the lifestream, a tiny portion? Where is ur proof that he took over a tiny portion? With a gesture he covered as far as the eye can see, it was most likely BEYOND midgar because it was as far passed as the eye can see, and you can normally see CLouds from mountains way beyond the city, in the fight against Cloud/Seph you couldn't see any normal clouds at all.

Originally posted by Terryc250
How would that be a "fat load" in a fight? He held all 8 characters with his willpower, he brought down the top of the shinra building with just a thought, he held Holy which is capable of "ending everything", explain how that wouldn't be useful in a fight if he used it to its full potential?

Omega was going to absorb the lifestream? Ur point..? So was Sephiroth in FF7, in AC He took over the lifestream, a tiny portion? Where is ur proof that he took over a tiny portion? With a gesture he covered as far as the eye can see, it was most likely BEYOND midgar because it was as far passed as the eye can see, and you can normally see CLouds from mountains way beyond the city, in the fight against Cloud/Seph you couldn't see any normal clouds at all.

2. Yeah, but he needed to use Meteor to do it in FFVII. Prove he took over the entire Lifestream in AC.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Because it was willpower. He used weak ass TK to hold the party, and some TK to topple the building. They aren't related.

2. Yeah, but he needed to use Meteor to do it in FFVII. Prove he took over the entire Lifestream in AC.

1) wtf is the difference between "TK" and "willpower" ? It has never been called "telekinesis" but it is the same thing, controlling something with his MIND

2) "About to absorb the lifestream" isn't a feat at all in the first place.

Okay, I got the quote wrong, Hulk is the "strongest there is" lol.

Being strongest there is, isnt normally translated to the strongest in the omniverse, logically when people read that they translate it to Strongest in the world

When they say Donovan Bailey was the fastest there is, they dont mean Donovan Bailey was the fastest in the universe, they mean he is the fastest in the world.

Why do you think they say "The Sentry's power approaches the cosmic"
Meaning Sentrys power rival's cosmic heralds.

So basically it means can Sentry whos power rivals cosmic heralds, survive blows from the worlds strongest being? (which makes sense.)

Instead of can Sentry survive blows from the strongest being in the omniverse? (makes no sense.)

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. I can turn this around and say the FFVII guys say Sephiroth is strongest because they like him best. Statements are fine when supported by feats, when they aren't, they hold no weight. You can't say some statements are true but others aren't when both instances show a lack of proof.

Let's say a writer says Sephiroth can lift a building singlehanded.

Then in-game he gets crushed by a falling truck and is badly injured by it.

What holds more weight, the feat or the statement?

2. No it isn't. Otherwise we have to accept Superman Prime>Everyone but PR Beyonder level or above, and Sentry could beat Silver Surfer(lol).

1) You'll do anything to win this point won't you?

Well tough luck, their character, anything they say goes, legal works supports that, which btw > anything you have to say.

2) I'm gonig to assume the same person doesn't own every character in that universe. Therefore his words do not hold the same weight.

P.S Common mistake, Omega never abosrbed the lifestream the same way other beings do, he was a mere container for it. It's purpose was to take it to another planet.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Pissed at what?
The defeat of logic by fanboy bullshit?
Anyone with half-a-brain would be pissed off at your retarded argument that what someone says, even if it blatantly contradicts their work and the very core of reason, should be accepted.
Such blind fealty might be good when serving a dictator but it's lousy for debating facts.

Facts are: FFVII wouldn't exist if not because of them.
So...

Statements of FFVII's team > FFVII itself >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your opinion about THEIR story.

EvilAngel
2) I'm gonig to assume the same person doesn't own every character in that universe. Therefore his words do not hold the same weight.

What she said.

FFVII team owns everything in FFVII universe. But the writer of WWH doesn't owns everything in Marvel universe. That's the difference.

Dark-Jaxx
1. Because it was willpower. He used weak ass TK to hold the party, and some TK to topple the building. They aren't related.

Sephiroth was using his willpower to hold Holy in place, while using his TK to hold the party in place. "Both" power(s) that comes from his mind. Yeah, not related at all. 🙄
Stop arguing semantics. His TK and willpower can do the same thing, there is no difference between them.

And about the Negative Lifestream, this is what was stated by the creators:

*Q: What were those dark clouds that Sephiroth called forth before his battle with Cloud began? Some of them even had tendrils.
*A: It was something of a negative Lifestream, composed of the Spirit Energy of those who had died with Geostigma. Their Spirit Energy became corrupted by the influence of JENOVA's Cells and was, thus, under Sephiroth's control.

He didn't took over the entire Lifestream, but we don't know the full size of the Negative one.

Ah, and I would pay a lot of money to see PK meeting Nomura, or Kitase, or Nojima, and trying to correct them about their own story.

That would be so fuc*ing pathetic and hilarious! 😆