Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Doom has actually conquered the world before but gave it up in an old fantatic four.
How did he accomplish that anyway?
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Apoc has what? celestial tech? Big deal, he almost never usues it properly.
And what is "properly"? The Watchers and the Cosmic Cube beings have trouble comprehending the Celestials...
Apocalypse once used his tech to forcibly teleport Bishop out of the time stream.
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
His intellect is also a cause for concern considering I rarely see him do anything above average for a supposed evil genius.
And what is "above average" evil genius?
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
So , um, he decided not to get involved only to later get involved to try to kill Franklin Richards. Sounds to me more like his plan failed so hes keeping out of it to save his ass.
Your assumption, yes.
How can Huey compare the F4's fights with Doom to the X-men's fight with Apocalypse? The x-men needed to depower an already weakened Apocalypse in order to have a shot at beating him :/
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
He whipped it out, out of nowhere in his battle with Meph.Army of demons/Crimson Bands of Cytorak ftw. 🙂
He mastered it? Really? Wow... Celestial tech really... sort of... sucks.
Alternate futures? Doom is the Sorcerer Supreme in one of his futures.
And in canon... he's stolen Galactus's power. Galactus's power/Cosmic Cube/Other artifacts (although it may not be canon... not sure yet). He's stolen Beyonder's power. He's stolen Silver Surfer's power. He's stolen a Watcher's power.
All through a little bit of planning. Doom is a cosmic villain when he's in the mood for power.However, this battle isn't about what one has done with prep... is it? Or what they have accomplished in that aspect. Hell, if you want to compare... Thanos keeps an eye on Doom at all times.
Loki is also the sorcerer supreme in one future.
Are we really using alternate futures as a reference on KMC? Didnt Punisher kill everyone in 1 alternate future?
On a more realistic (comic book speaking) note, Apocalypse has had how long to study celestial tech? Dont get me wrong, I love the character, but they have dropped the ball on him big time. It just seems like the best thing to come from Apocalypse has been Mr. Sinister, who while being weaker and operating on a smaller scale than the big guy, has been at least equally as sucessful.
Dr. Doom on the other hand is one of the most respected villains on comics for a reason. He does awesome things with less resources than some other badguys, and always does them with style.
Still, like I said before, using standard gear hes outmatched here. Through his character's history he hasnt used magic consistantly like some people on here would lead you to believe.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Apocalypse = conquerorDr. Doom = would be conqueror
those titles speak for themselves in terms of accomplishments.
(imo) sans tech, apocalypse literally crushes doom.
with tech, it may be a toss up victory that leads to a bfr.
Originally posted by godking
Doom has acomplished most of his goals unlike Apocalypse.
Apocalypse's goal isn't as easy to accomplish, he wants to separate the weak from the strong, it's not as easily accomplished as simply gaining more powers.
Apocalypse also had reality altering powers after the twelve, so it's not like he has never gotten any proper power.
apoc never conquered earth 616 bcuz he never saw the opportunity to for 1 for 2 in the reality in which apoc conquers the earth he thoroughly owns the world to were u can honestly say he had his own era or "age" however on another note doom is cunning enough to create his own scenario in which he could take over honestly i m gonna honestly have to say this is gonna be a stalemate apoc's got battle experience dooms got the cunning and there power levels r too close to call it
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
The entire Avengers team was taken out by Doom. What saved them - Jessica's apparent hidden powers and the Sentry - PIS in a can.
You mean Doom using magic on IM and failing to stop someone who's stronger than him? Oh yeah, PIS.
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Doom has actually conquered the world before but gave it up in an old fantatic four. Hes taken the powers of the SS, Galactus and the Beyonder. Hes fought several teams and fought quite well. His track record is great even by villian standards. Your arguement against Dooms counter measures is a fight with Squirrel girl, whose reputation has always been to take down huge villians as an inside joke? Dooms built his own time machine. Apoc has what? celestial tech? Big deal, he almost never usues it properly. His intellect is also a cause for concern considering I rarely see him do anything above average for a supposed evil genius.
A Doom from a future time stole the Beyonder's powers.
Can I get an example of Apocalypse's tech sucking? Because it has been pretty properly employed earlier :/
Empowering mutants, letting him beat the Inhuman family and almost gaining omnipotence :/
Originally posted by Bad Ash231Lex is an above average evil genius. So is Joker. So is alex luthor. Someone whose actions qualifies to threaten more than a group of mutants and with a generally high risk of them succeeding. Doom is a threat to the universe. Apocalypse is a planetary threat. Doom has taken the powers of cosmic Gods. Hes been all powerful on more than one occasion.And what is "above average" evil genius?
Originally posted by llagrokGambit beat his programming. Gambit? Hulk overcame it in a day.
You mean Doom using magic on IM and failing to stop someone who's stronger than him? Oh yeah, PIS.A Doom from a future time stole the Beyonder's powers.
Can I get an example of Apocalypse's tech sucking? Because it has been pretty properly employed earlier :/
Empowering mutants, letting him beat the Inhuman family and almost gaining omnipotence :/
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Wait, now I'm lost.Apoc changed his mind about what?
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Lex is an above average evil genius. So is Joker. So is alex luthor.
Joker is an above average evil genius, but Apoc isn't?
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Someone whose actions qualifies to threaten more than a group of mutants and with a generally high risk of them succeeding.
lol
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
A) He first stated he wouldn't get involved because it plays into this whole belief in "Survival of the Fittest" " B)Then he helps Cable to stop him, that fails and now C)hes back to staying out of it. Seems like hes flipping to me.
His plan to stop Onslaught from becoming omnipotent flopped. They wouldn't kill Franklin, which kinda pissed Apoc off. He had nothing more to offer that could help stop Onslaught.