Obi-Wan vs Mace Windu

Sidious only had to be a little more powerful than Dooku to keep him in place.. He didnt have to be Massively more powerful and didnt even need to have superior lightsaber skills... Just as long as Dooku Knew that his Master was more powerful...

I believe Dooku did want Obi-Wans help to overthrow Sidious.. I believe he turned to the Dark Side becuase he knew how corrupt the Republic was, and was probably one of those Darksiders who thought they were doing the Right thing... but thats just my opinion.

Dookus lightning is most probably not as powerful as Sidious's... As Sidious is bound to have greater Force powers.. However this does not make Dookus lightning weak.. Remember the clone wars cartoons.. He knocked out Asajj Ventress in 2 seconds flat with his Force lightning while she was carrying 2 ignited lightsabers!!

Also just becuase Mace took Sidious does not mean hed take Dooku. Sidoius was quiet in their fight, and fights with BOTH hands on his lightsaber. Dooku would be talking to Mace in a fight with him, psychologically intimidating him.
Also he keeps a hand free to do a Force move with, or use Force Lightning, while simultaneously Lightsaber Clashing.. Its quite impressive really. His lightsaber handle has is curved for a more firm grip so he comfrtorbly fights with one hand.. Also his Form 2 technique helps with its parrying and minimum effort involved.

Anyway back to Mace vs. Obi-Wan... Mace isnt Dooku.. He doesnt keep a hand free to use an elegant Force move or use Force Lightning while simultaneously lightsaber clashing... So Mace wnt be doing that to Obi-Wan.. Their fight will be decided by lightsaber clashing... Mace will win due to his unique mastery of Vapaad, but it will take him a long time due to Obi-Wans Mastery of Soresu. Soresu Masters defences are supposed to be impenetrable and are sed to be invincilble.. But im still being kind enough to give Mace the win here.

Originally posted by truejedi
that is kinda weird how you gave the guy 10 minutes to reply, then claimed victory though... i dunno about you, but i don't usually sit around waiting for someone to reply to everything i said ( 8

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Anyway back to Mace vs. Obi-Wan... Mace isnt Dooku.. He doesnt keep a hand free to use an elegant Force move or use Force Lightning while simultaneously lightsaber clashing... So Mace wnt be doing that to Obi-Wan.. Their fight will be decided by lightsaber clashing... Mace will win due to his unique mastery of Vapaad, but it will take him a long time due to Obi-Wans Mastery of Soresu. Soresu Masters defences are supposed to be impenetrable and are sed to be invincilble.. But im still being kind enough to give Mace the win here.

Yeah, it would be close, i'm still not sure if Mace can break his defense...
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Originally posted by skywalker833
Yeah, it would be close, i'm still not sure if Mace can break his defense...
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uh oh... Mace fanboys are gna go crazy at us now for even hinting Obi-Wan might be able to hold him off!!! 🙂

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Sidious only had to be a little more powerful than Dooku to keep him in place.. He didnt have to be Massively more powerful and didnt even need to have superior lightsaber skills... Just as long as Dooku Knew that his Master was more powerful...

I believe Dooku did want Obi-Wans help to overthrow Sidious.. I believe he turned to the Dark Side becuase he knew how corrupt the Republic was, and was probably one of those Darksiders who thought they were doing the Right thing... but thats just my opinion.

Dookus lightning is most probably not as powerful as Sidious's... As Sidious is bound to have greater Force powers.. However this does not make Dookus lightning weak.. Remember the clone wars cartoons.. He knocked out Asajj Ventress in 2 seconds flat with his Force lightning while she was carrying 2 ignited lightsabers!!

Also just becuase Mace took Sidious does not mean hed take Dooku. Sidoius was quiet in their fight, and fights with BOTH hands on his lightsaber. Dooku would be talking to Mace in a fight with him, psychologically intimidating him.
Also he keeps a hand free to do a Force move with, or use Force Lightning, while simultaneously Lightsaber Clashing.. Its quite impressive really. His lightsaber handle has is curved for a more firm grip so he comfrtorbly fights with one hand.. Also his Form 2 technique helps with its parrying and minimum effort involved.

Anyway back to Mace vs. Obi-Wan... Mace isnt Dooku.. He doesnt keep a hand free to use an elegant Force move or use Force Lightning while simultaneously lightsaber clashing... So Mace wnt be doing that to Obi-Wan.. Their fight will be decided by lightsaber clashing... Mace will win due to his unique mastery of Vapaad, but it will take him a long time due to Obi-Wans Mastery of Soresu. Soresu Masters defences are supposed to be impenetrable and are sed to be invincilble.. But im still being kind enough to give Mace the win here.

This entire post is riddled with unsupported and unsubstantiated claims. Who knew that using two hands on one's lightsaber prevents one from using psychology against one's enemies...

Originally posted by Gideon
This entire post is riddled with unsupported and unsubstantiated claims. Who knew that using two hands on one's lightsaber prevents one from using psychology against one's enemies...

Dooku usually keeps one hand free while sword fighting to use force lightning or force choke on his opponent like he did to ObiWan and to Sora Bulq..

He also talks to his opponents while fightin to put them off balance, like he did to ObiWan (AOTC), to Mace(Obsessions), to Sora Bulq, to Tholme, to Quinlan Vos etc etc..

whats so difficult to understand, and wheres the unsupported claims here??? Wheres the riddles?? Iv supported all of my claims with fight scenes from the movies and the EU.. and even gone into the different fighting forms used. Apart from the overthrowing of Sidious, which I specifically sed was just my opinion tell me 1 unsupprted claim iv made. Or give my 1 riddle from my quote.

Clearly your not capable of debating and you didnt like what I was saying so thats the best you could write back.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dooku usually keeps one hand free while sword fighting to use force lightning or force choke on his opponent like he did to ObiWan and to Sora Bulq..

Count Dooku's form relies on precision and accuracy rather than speed or kinetic energy. Darth Sidious is a master of Juyo (indicated by Maul's indoctrination in the form) which is only for high level masters of other forms; that he simply uses two hands to wield his lightsaber doesn't mean he can't wield it with one. That you'd even try to make a point out of this is stupid.

He also talks to his opponents while fightin to put them off balance, like he did to ObiWan (AOTC), to Mace(Obsessions), to Sora Bulq, to Tholme, to Quinlan Vos etc etc.. whats so difficult to understand, and wheres the speculation.. Maybe my post was simply beyond you.

Because you're being completely ridiculous: "LOLZ MACE USES TWO HANDS ERGO HE CAN'T MAKE A TAUNT OR USE TEH FORCE LOLZ!!!1!" or "LOLZ PEOPLE WHO USE ONE HANDS > PEOPLE WHO USE TWOZ)RS!!!!1!"

I'm afraid that you'll have to do better than that. Raise your game or get the hell off the court.

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Bring your A-Game, man.

and yet Mace couldnt take out Sora Bulq, whilst Dooku did quite quickly ny fighting him one handed, and shooting FL from his other hand. I dnt knw if Mace conceivably could do this, but the point is HE DOESNT!!!!

they have different fighting styles... what do you not understand... your not capable of debating

and the intimidation is something completely different... something Dooku does, but Mace doesnt... something Dooku has done to Mace while fighting him. if you knew anything about Dooku you wuldnt be disputing this.

Originally posted by Gideon

Because you're being completely ridiculous: "LOLZ MACE USES TWO HANDS ERGO HE CAN'T MAKE A TAUNT OR USE TEH FORCE LOLZ!!!1!" or "LOLZ PEOPLE WHO USE ONE HANDS > PEOPLE WHO USE TWOZ)RS!!!!1!"

I'm afraid that you'll have to do better than that. Raise your game or get the hell off the court.

two people sword fighting... one guy is doing it one handed... that wuldnt impress you in the least??? person A beats up person B one handed.... I guess that wuldnt impress you either... Yeah thats just totally ridiculous.

When Windu and Bulq fought it ended with Bolq being buried under a bunch of rocks. Mace leaving to go save other Jedi does not= being inferior to Bulq. That's like saying Dooku > Yoda because Yoda stopped fighting to save Obi-Wan and Anakin.

Originally posted by Gideon
Count Dooku's form relies on precision and accuracy rather than speed or kinetic energy. Darth Sidious is a master of Juyo (indicated by Maul's indoctrination in the form) which is only for high level masters of other forms; that he simply uses two hands to wield his lightsaber doesn't mean he can't wield it with one. That you'd even try to make a point out of this is stupid.

and Count Dooku is the Unrivalled Master of Form 2 which is the best form for blade to blade combat. Hes completely Mastered and Perfected this form. and yes it relies on precision and accuracy... it also relies on parrying hits and using minimum effort.
He uses a curved lightsaber handle for a firmer grip.. so yeah he can fight one handed better than most. and he usually keeps one hand free to do simultaneous attacks with. but clearly thats not impressive in the least for you.

thats his style of fighting... not maces, or sidious's.... you would most likely only see them doing that if fighting considerably weaker opponents.

Makashi being the ultimate lightsaber combat form seems unrealistic, considering it's weakness to Djem/So. Anakin was striking so hard that Dooku was forced to use two hands when fighting him.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
When Windu and Bulq fought it ended with Bolq being buried under a bunch of rocks. Mace leaving to go save other Jedi does not= being inferior to Bulq. That's like saying Dooku > Yoda because Yoda stopped fighting to save Obi-Wan and Anakin.

I didnt say Bulqs better than Windu.. I sed he wasnt able to defeat him.. not that he culdnt if the fight went on... the point is Dooku handled him much better and much easier. he fought him one handed while force pushing Tholme away, and then shooting Bulq with FL... but clearly the simultaneous attacks doesnt impress you lot.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Makashi being the ultimate lightsaber combat form seems unrealistic, considering it's weakness to Djem/So. Anakin was striking so hard that Dooku was forced to use two hands when fighting him.

Exaclty... he was forced to with Anakin... but thats not normally his style.. Anakin was simply 2 powerful.. the guys got like twice the midichlorian count as Sidious, and now that he was a full fledged knight, his blows were simple too powerful for the Count. That scene was there to show how Powerful Anakin is, not to point out Dookus weakness to Djem/So! Lol!

Read up on Makashi... its whole purpose it was designed for was Blade to Blade combat, and so specialises in that, so is supposed to be the best for that. Just like Soresu is the best Defense form.. not just defending agianst lightsaber attacks, but blaster fire attacks, and all sorts of attacks in general. Each form has its own specilisation, and Makashis is Blade to Blade fighting.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
and Count Dooku is the Unrivalled Master of Form 2 which is the best form for blade to blade combat.

Not True.

And we're not even talking about Dooku. So, back to the discussion:

Obviously there is still some arument about who would win this battle. (considering the votes for obi1 have gone up) So, anyone have any arguments for one of the combatants.

Originally posted by skywalker833
Not True.

go read his bio on starwars.com.. it says hes unrivalled in that form. it also says hes completely mastered and perfected it.

Also if you read on Makashi you will see that this was specifically designed for blade to blade combat, which is why most jedis do not use it, as it is not relevant to most thier missions. It also says Makashi has created some of the best swordsmen in the whole history of the galaxy.

Originally posted by skywalker833
And we're not even talking about Dooku. So, back to the discussion:

Obviously there is still some arument about who would win this battle. (considering the votes for obi1 have gone up) So, anyone have any arguments for one of the combatants.

I only mentioned Dooku because sum1 sed that Mace would do to Obi-Wan exactly what Dooku did, which I think just isnt true due to thier completley different styles of fighting and different talents. Then somebody didnt like what I was saying about Dooku so that argument started.

Back to Mace vs. Obi-Wan.... like I sed it will be decided by the lightsaber fight. If im not wrong they have sparred somewhere in the EU close to ROTS and Mace culdnt get past Obi-Wans defences.. Mace also admits himself hes not neccessarily a better swordsman than ObiWan just because he created Vapaad.