Originally posted by Silent Master
Well off the top of my head there is the 630 lb boulder that he couldn’t lift that lead to him using venom and the ceiling that was being lowered with 1,000 pounds of force, then there is the fact that of all the times he has been shown training, this is the only time the he has ever been shown lifting even close to that amount.
Maybe he got stronger
The reason DD has the edge here is because of his radar sense. He can sense heart beat changes, nerve impulses, etc. This makes him know what you are going to do before you do it (somewhat like a Spider-sense).
This hasn't stopped Iron Fist, Taskmaster, or even Punisher and Bullseye (sometimes) from giving him serious trouble in hth combat.
Also, the amount of styles one knows doesn't make them a better fighter. If one has mastered a style that is superior to all other styles then he/she is a better fighter than the one who has mastered
all the inferior styles. I believe, IMO, the DD's style is equal to or superior to any and all the styles Batman has mastered.
But giving Batman the benefit of the doubt, let's say that he is a slightly better fighter than DD. DD's radar sense, which is a larger advantage than batman's slightly better fighting, tips the scales in favor of DD.
I believe that DD's senses make him equal to Bruce if anything. Matt without his senses isn't as formidable as he normally is which puts him on an equal footing with Bruce and other elite MAs IMO. It's pretty clear Matt built his fighting style around his super senses to be a more effective fighter which has worked very well for him obviously.
Lastly, these two have peak human feats so thus we can say that they are about even in physicality (DD might be slightly more agile though) so let's assume even here.
I agree mostly. I don't think either one has a huge advantage over the other in a physical contest. If there is a difference somewhere its a small one that won't matter much.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
Good shit, Soljer. I don't think severance would have anything else to say about Batman's strength.
a) As I said I don't think it is very clear what it says on the plate.
b) If it is 500lbs per plate then what the fnck are they made of? That is 11 times as dense as steel 4 or 5 times as dense as uranium and at that atomic weight (which is pretty physically inconcievable) the radioactivity would be lethal. Actually most of the really high atomic numbers only exist for fractions of a second
c) 2500lbs is probably more than a gorilla can press so are we saying peak human is above a gorilla?
d) If you wish to say that it says 500lbs the only reasonable conclusion is that the 500lb somehow represents the whole bar (artistic license). 500lbs is a good bench no doubt but not peak strength.
Originally posted by severance
a) As I said I don't think it is very clear what it says on the plate.
b) If it is 500lbs per plate then what the fnck are they made of? That is 11 times as dense as steel 4 or 5 times as dense as uranium and at that atomic weight (which is pretty physically inconcievable) the radioactivity would be lethal. Actually most of the really high atomic numbers only exist for fractions of a second
c) 2500lbs is probably more than a gorilla can press so are we saying peak human is above a gorilla?
d) If you wish to say that it says 500lbs the only reasonable conclusion is that the 500lb somehow represents the whole bar (artistic license). 500lbs is a good bench no doubt but not peak strength.
Just let it go. DD is not stronger. Why don't you post something that proves other wise.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
Just let it go. DD is not stronger. Why don't you post something that proves other wise.
using 400Lbs like a staff. Tipping over a limo with three people in it. Opening Kingpins safe which Spiderman had to struggle to do, not saying hes as strong as Spiderman but I would put DDs maximum at 1 ton in general.
In general though Batmsn strength feats seem similar to DDs.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
Just let it go. DD is not stronger. Why don't you post something that proves other wise.
No you are right I don't think DD is stronger bats may have the edge (as he is slightly bigger). Difference is not enough to make up for the fact that DD has superhuman senses and concomitantly fast reflexes
Originally posted by Soljer
Two things.
1. It isn't clear how much batman is lifting here. The last 0 isn't a clear 0.
So the plate could be 50lbs. Also, the last character is clearly not an S (required to be "lbs"😉.
2. If indeed this isn't a doctored scan that has 500lbs on it then it was the writer's intention that batman was benching a total of 500lbs. The scan was clearly a mistake (happens sometimes).
Originally posted by h1a8
The reason DD has the edge here is because of his radar sense. He can sense heart beat changes, nerve impulses, etc. This makes him know what you are going to do before you do it (somewhat like a Spider-sense).Also, the amount of styles one knows doesn't make them a better fighter. If one has mastered a style that is superior to all other styles then he/she is a better fighter than the one who has mastered
all the inferior styles. I believe, IMO, the DD's style is equal to or superior to any and all the styles Batman has mastered.Lastly, these two have peak human feats so thus we can say that they are about even in physicality (DD might be slightly more agile though) so let's assume even here.
But giving Batman the benefit of the doubt, let's say that he is a slightly better fighter than DD. DD's radar sense, which is a larger advantage than batman's slightly better fighting, tips the scales in favor of DD.
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Originally posted by h1a8
Two things.
1. It isn't clear how much batman is lifting here. The last 0 isn't a clear 0.
So the plate could be 50lbs. Also, the last character is clearly not an S (required to be "lbs"😉.2. If indeed this isn't a doctored scan that has 500lbs on it then it was the writer's intention that batman was benching a total of 500lbs. The scan was clearly a mistake (happens sometimes).
"I don't like it, it didn't happen" seems to be your main debate tactic. Here, the Surfer thread, where else?
Originally posted by Phantom GhostNope NW's my fave character from DC & I don't like Slade all that much.A little biased here are we?
Originally posted by Phantom GhostI already know that. That's how the discussion of PIS started 🙄 Jeez, Where's Long Pig when you need him?
It's a proven fact that Batman and NW have done quite well against Slade whether you like it or not.
DD for a slight majority. 6/10.
I wouldnt even be surprised if it were a 5/5 split.
Strength - Doesnt play a factor here at all imo. None.
Variety of styles known - Also doesnt play a factor here imo. How many styles can we say Bats uses on a regular basis? This fight would be alot of defending and countering. I dont see it going any other way.
Speed and agility- I think DD has a nice advantage over Bats here. I 100% believe that DD would be harder to hit than the other way around. Plus les remember the environment. DD being faster and more agile can cause problems.
I wont count DD's radar cause everyone here knows that just gives him a bit more of an advantage to what he may already have.
I would be a lovely fight to see......... Again.......In full length.