Jean Grey w/ Phoenix Force vs Ion

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Resorting to bush league argument, that’s acutely entertaining. Bishops actions would lead, for the AoA time line being wiped out. Not Co-Exsist, but cease to exist.

What did the Phoenix resort with out entering the White Hoot Room. Preserve an entire timeline, with out the need of holding it in her hands.

Oh and I don’t create fantasies, I simply read fictional literature.
🙄

Originally posted by Xplosive

Not much about that thread, but dude, where did you see Galactus actually absorbing an Omniverse to use it as a feat (you literally did that and ranked Galactus based on that in your list)? Come on, man.


Bullshit - I've never ranked Galactus as an Omniversal power.

And yep, Galactus was indeed in the process of absorbing the entire Omniverse.

Originally posted by Xplosive

Where did you see MJJ actually collapsing an Omniverse
(again, you were giving that as a feat, literally and used, again, to place MJJ in your list)?


You need to read comics before stepping to me son.

Originally posted by Xplosive

So, Sinister said Phoenix saved an entire timeline, literally. And in this case, timeline was saved by Phoenix, the job was done. Or maybe he was just joking. But if you use that, we can also use Sinister words.


Wow, ooh, big freakin deal,
Jean saved the 616 Universe once,
doesn't mean she did anything to the 616 Universe directly, which she didn't.

Originally posted by id369

Resorting to bush league argument, that’s acutely entertaining.


More meaningless, inconsequential off-topic gibberish.

If you wanna be taken more seriously than your respect thread,
be a man and debate without your cheesy wannabee insults.

Originally posted by id369

Bishops actions would lead,
for the AoA time line being wiped out. Not Co-Exsist, but cease to exist.

What did the Phoenix resort with out entering the White Hoot Room.
Preserve an entire timeline, with out the need of holding it in her hands.


And how exactly does this relate to Jean's feat during Here Comes Tomorrow?

In NO way whatsoever.

So bam, I mean, bam.

Originally posted by id369

Oh and I don’t create fantasies, I simply read fictional literature.


Which makes it even funnier, to fictionalize further fiction itself.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You need to read comics before stepping to me son.

Funny. Hahahhahaa. What I said, it's true. BAM!

Originally posted by Xplosive
Funny. Hahahhahaa. What I said, it's true. BAM!

Should I make you feel silly?

I busted out those scans many times, maybe you were sleeping,
but come again, and I'll make you eat your words.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Should I make you feel silly?

I busted out those scans many times, maybe you were sleeping,
but come again, and I'll make you eat your words.

Do it.

Originally posted by Xplosive

where did you see Galactus actually absorbing an Omniverse to use it as a feat


Even though I never used this as a feat,
swallow this:

........................................................................................................

That future-self of Galactus 616 in the Black Celestial arc,
was an OMNIVERSAL threat,
not just a threat in fact,
indeed,
Galactus was beginning the process of absorbing the Omniverse entire:

........................................................................................................

These scans are from Avengers v1. #296 - 297

The beginning of the whole Black Celestial drama.
........................................................................................................

Where Galactus was being prepped to begin absorbing the ENTIRE OMNIVERSE,

and the EDITOR of this arc was MARK GRUENWALD ...

........................................................................................................

"Celestial renegade (Taimut) constructed a weapon (Galactus)
mighty enough to threaten the ENTIRE Space-Time structure of the OMNIVERSE"

........................................................................................................

Nebula had control of some avengers and was planning on taking Galactus' power:

"I have learned about the great weapon (Galactus) in Time"

........................................................................................................

MAKE NO MISTAKE!

The weapon is Galactus! (FF#341)

"Galactus Himself is the WEAPON"

........................................................................................................

A mini artistic depiction of the actual OMNIVERSE:

"Suffice to say that the weapon is Supreme (Galactus)
the OMNIVERSE is vast beyond imagining"

........................................................................................................

(Notice at the bottom of the scan, who the EDITOR is) 🙂

"The greatest weapon (Galactus) in the OMNIVERSE is nearly mine"

........................................................................................................

Is MARK GRUENWALD (the Editor) allowing hyperbole? ermmno

........................................................................................................

This (FF#337-341) is from the actual continuation of the arc above:

Galactus was in the process of absorbing "ALL EXISTENCE"

"Galactus who's busy wolfin' (eating) down ALL of TIME and SPACE"

............................................................................................

"The time will come soon when ALL the Energy in the UNIVERSE,
through out it's HISTORY will NOT be SUFFICIENT to feed him
"

The History of the Marvel Universe ... as in the expanded OMNIVERSE!!!

........................................................................................................

Galactus was in the process of absorbing "ALL EXISTENCE" (Omniverse)

Confirmed by the Guardians of the Galaxy in yet another separate arc:

RESPECT Galactus yall! (evidently a potential Omniversal power)

=========================================

Originally posted by Xplosive

Where did you see MJJ actually collapsing an Omniverse


Swallow this too:

..................................................................................

Omniversal warping by Jaspers!

Cobweb is psychically connected to her Past and Future selves,
she tapped into one of her possible Future-selves:

These are NOT cheesy visions of some future,
Cobweb literally connects to her counter-parts residing in even possible Futures,
so what Cobweb saw,
would DEFINITELY have happened.

Anyway, guess what she witnessed,
had Jaspers not been stopped by his personal anti-JJ plot device. (the Fury)

..................................................................................

That above is Jaspers canceling the entire Omniverse,
just like Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn predicted would happen if he wasn't stopped:

..................................................................................

Meh, not to mention:

Jaspers' 616's weaker counter-part (Jaspers 238)
actually thwarted Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn's power when he tried stopping J's warp.

Matrix/Meryn = Omniversal power
238 Jaspers > Matrix/Merlyn
616 Jaspers > 238 Jaspers

..................................................................................

Hope that tasted good.

Originally posted by Mr Master
More meaningless, inconsequential off-topic gibberish.

If you wanna be taken more seriously than your respect thread,
be a man and debate without your cheesy wannabee insults.

You need to grow a sack, and admit when you are simply wrong.

Originally posted by Mr Master

And how exactly does this relate to Jean's feat during Here Comes Tomorrow?

In NO way whatsoever.

So bam, I mean, bam.

You are throwing a fuss about Jean or Phoenix not being able to repair a universe outside of the WHR. What did a member do? post a scan where Jean/Phoenix within the universe, and preserve an entire time line from being wipe out. Your Entire argument of Phoenix-Timeline-WHR is now being questioned by a single scan. And you simply resort to more bush l.. oh wait here “”, shit fest argument with in a rhetorical manner.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Inconsequential, pointless off-topic gobbledygook. [/B]

yawn

He just got owned 😄 Good Scans Mr master

Originally posted by id369
What feats outside of Zero Hour does Parallax retain? Or what did Classic Ion do that Phoenix hasn’t already done? Correct me if I am wrong but, Classic Ion was what the reminiscent energies of Parallax left in the sun and the starheart?

I have a question. When Kyle first became Ion did he give away the Starheart?

And how strong was Spectre when he fought Parallax? We know his strength fluxgates to fit the plot. Then we have the comment, the Spectre made in regards to Parallax in regards to power scaling Spectre to Parallax.

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Big Feats other then the M’Kran Crystal, and Here Comes Tomorrow incident?

Phoenix stopped, 2 Earths from parallel realities from merging (616 and another), and thus restore the cosmic balance. (Rachael - Excalibur Special).

AoA Jean, preserved the entire AoA time line from being wiped out. (AoA Jean, AoA Anniversary Special mini).

Two instances that points out vast Omniscience. (Dark Phoenix Arc, and Excalibur).

Universal Mind Link. (Rachel in Secret War tie in with X-Men).

Giraud "cauterizes" Eternity of a "tumor" (Guardians of the Universe).

^^ Are those enough to point out, that the Phoenix Force can be formidable in its own right?


Im not saying the phoenix isnt formidable im just saying she isnt winning in a fight against the most powerful version of ion,as ion pre full battery return and the massive amping he got from the mutated starheart he had complete control over time and space he was omnipresent,described as the right hand of god,and has near infinite power ect,he easily had the power to rewrite the whole dc universe he just didnt do it,im saying after getting the full battery back and with the starheart phoenix will not win this fight.

Originally posted by id369

[B]You need to grow a sack, and admit when you are simply wrong.


Still even more inconsequential, meaningless off-topic drivel.

Everytime you get personal,
I'll just dismiss it as pure horse shit spewing from you.

Originally posted by id369

You are throwing a fuss about Jean or Phoenix not being able to repair a universe outside of the WHR.
What did a member do? post a scan where Jean/Phoenix within the universe, and preserve an entire time line from being wipe out.


Really, where is it stated/depicted that Phoenix repaired that Timeline atomically?
(like in Here Comes Tomorrow)
Where is it stated/depicted that Phoenix held that Timeline in her hands?
(like in Here Comes Tomorrow)

No where.

So what did Phoenix do then?

She stopped some nukes. 😂

Again, like I said, irrelevant and completely unrelated (in every way)
to the accomplishment in Here Comes Tomorrow.

I guess you think,
if someone saves a Timeline it automatically means they have atomic control over said Timeline. 😆

If that were the case,
***** ass Giraud would be a Universal power after cauterizing Eternity's cancer.

Yea, he saved that alternate Timeline too from death .. and? Big deal.
It's their job, reparations of realities.
this skill obviously doesn't come in handy in battles though.

Normal Dormammu HANDLING Giraud (Universal saviour)

Normal Dormammu still HANDLING Giraud (Universal saviour)
plus team:

Giraud (Universal saviour) and the Entire Team, stay HANDLED!

Originally posted by id369

Your Entire argument of Phoenix-Timeline-WHR is now being questioned by a single scan. And you simply resort to more bush l.. oh wait here “”, shit fest argument with in a rhetorical manner.


blahblah

Your entire thread is based on a shit fest argument with in a rhetorical manner.

Again, told ya that was easy. yawn

Originally posted by Mr Master
Even though I never used this as a feat,
swallow this:

........................................................................................................

That future-self of [B]Galactus 616 in the Black Celestial arc,
was an OMNIVERSAL threat,
not just a threat in fact,
indeed,
Galactus was beginning the process of absorbing the Omniverse entire:

........................................................................................................

These scans are from Avengers v1. #296 - 297

The beginning of the whole Black Celestial drama.
........................................................................................................

Where Galactus was being prepped to begin absorbing the ENTIRE OMNIVERSE,

and the EDITOR of this arc was MARK GRUENWALD ...

........................................................................................................

"Celestial renegade (Taimut) constructed a weapon (Galactus)
mighty enough to threaten the ENTIRE Space-Time structure of the OMNIVERSE"

........................................................................................................

Nebula had control of some avengers and was planning on taking Galactus' power:

"I have learned about the great weapon (Galactus) in Time"

........................................................................................................

MAKE NO MISTAKE!

The weapon is Galactus! (FF#341)

"Galactus Himself is the WEAPON"

........................................................................................................

A mini artistic depiction of the actual OMNIVERSE:

"Suffice to say that the weapon is Supreme (Galactus)
the OMNIVERSE is vast beyond imagining"

........................................................................................................

(Notice at the bottom of the scan, who the EDITOR is) 🙂

"The greatest weapon (Galactus) in the OMNIVERSE is nearly mine"

........................................................................................................

Is MARK GRUENWALD (the Editor) allowing hyperbole? ermmno

........................................................................................................

This (FF#337-341) is from the actual continuation of the arc above:

Galactus was in the process of absorbing "ALL EXISTENCE"

"Galactus who's busy wolfin' (eating) down ALL of TIME and SPACE"

............................................................................................

"The time will come soon when ALL the Energy in the UNIVERSE,
through out it's HISTORY will NOT be SUFFICIENT to feed him
"

The History of the Marvel Universe ... as in the expanded OMNIVERSE!!!

........................................................................................................

Galactus was in the process of absorbing "ALL EXISTENCE" (Omniverse)

Confirmed by the Guardians of the Galaxy in yet another separate arc:

RESPECT Galactus yall! (evidently a potential Omniversal power)

========================================= [/B]

Mr Master, that never happened, we don't know if it truly would (we can't know until it happens), so don't use it or mentioned anymore in favor of Galactus, only feats.
You placed Galactus on your hierarchy list literally relying on those scans and putting him above White Crown of the Phoenix, who actually had a feat manipulating entire Universe atomically.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Swallow this too:

..................................................................................

Omniversal warping by Jaspers!

Cobweb is psychically connected to her Past and Future selves,
she tapped into one of her possible Future-selves:

[QUOTE=10396304]Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]These are NOT cheesy visions of some future,
Cobweb literally connects to her counter-parts residing in even possible Futures,
so what Cobweb saw,
would DEFINITELY have happened.

It didn't happen, man, literally. Always, something ''He was stopped'', so he couldn't do it, was stopped, literally was stopped, because he couldn't do it. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Anyway, guess what she witnessed,
had Jaspers not been stopped by his personal anti-JJ plot device. (the Fury)

..................................................................................

That above is Jaspers canceling the entire Omniverse,
just like Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn predicted would happen if he wasn't stopped:
..................................................................................

Meh, not to mention:

Jaspers' 616's weaker counter-part (Jaspers 238)
actually thwarted Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn's power when he tried stopping J's warp.

Matrix/Meryn = Omniversal power
238 Jaspers > Matrix/Merlyn
616 Jaspers > 238 Jaspers

..................................................................................

Hope that tasted good.

Again, like I said, saddly, no feats.
Enough already of using Merilyn predictions ''He predicted it, but MJJ was stopped''. Ha.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
He just got owned 😄 Good Scans Mr master

Hahhaah. He didn't own anyone. When Mr Master is owned, he can't admitt it. But then he shown some useless scans and someone like you say, ''Wow, look what he shown, scans, he must know a lot, he is correct''.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I guess you think, if someone saves a Timeline it automatically means they have atomic control over said Timeline.

We know that Phoenix has it, atomic control over a universe, HCM, now this, so it fits very well. 🙂

Heh that was worth a chuckle.

Mr. M states Jean stopped the nukes.
Comic: Nukes and the destruction of an Entire Time line ware stopped.
So tell me who is spewing fanatical bullshit?

And the entire point of that vary scan is to depict how the Phoenix interacts with a time line in its totality.
Did she need to go into the WHR? - NO!
Did She need to hold in her hands? - NO!

The scan doesnt prove that either way really....it didnt show her doing it so no one can say she did or did not go into the white hot room.

Originally posted by Xplosive

Mr Master, that never happened, we don't know if it truly would
(we can't know until it happens),
so don't use it or mentioned anymore in favor of Galactus, only feats.


Interesting, even though it's right there happening On Panel,
are you just playing dumb?

Cause it's working.

Originally posted by Xplosive

It didn't happen, man, literally. Always, something ''He was stopped'',
so he couldn't do it, was stopped, literally was stopped, because he couldn't do it.


Silly boy, go read a comic book.

It was Galactus who stopped himself, NO one esle was able.

In order to stop himself from absorbing the rest of the UNIVERSE and EVERYTHING BEYOND!

Galactus ERASES HIMSELF and that UNIVERSE from existence with the UN,
in order to prevent this future from coming to pass:

"And without a sound,
the UNIVERSE behind them softly and suddenly VANISHES AWAY
"

Go READ Comics and stop posting so much garbage.

Originally posted by Xplosive

Again, like I said, saddly, no feats.
Enough already of using Merilyn predictions
''He predicted it, but MJJ was stopped''. Ha.


No offense, but this reply proves tat you're an idiot.

Jaspers literally DID warp the entire Omniverse in a possible alternate Future.

Just like Jean manipulated those atoms in a possible alternate future.

You didn't even know that did you, silly child.

Originally posted by Xplosive

Hahhaah. He didn't own anyone. When Mr Master is owned, he can't admitt it. But then he shown some useless scans and someone like you say, ''Wow, look what he shown, scans, he must know a lot, he is correct''.


Gibberish!

Originally posted by Xplosive

We know that Phoenix has it, atomic control over a universe, HCM


Yes, I know what Jean is capable of withIN the WHR. youpi

So I guess everytime she battles,
she'll be running for her life into the WHR to affect a Universe. 😂

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
The scan doesnt prove that either way really....it didnt show her doing it so no one can say she did or did not go into the white hot room.

That’s actually a more well thought argument. Personally I believe it happening within the reality. The comic states that, the time line was preserved the moment Jean awaken with the Phoenix Force. Apparently they have witnesses, and do not make any comment of Jean disappearing.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting, even though it's right there happening On Panel,
are you just playing dumb?

Cause it's working.

Silly boy, go read a comic book.

It was Galactus who stopped himself, NO one esle was able.

Ok. Don't know who is the idiot. Wouldn't except that from you, who reads comics and know other powerful beings in MU. Wow, what a memory and logic. Bravo!

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yes, I know what Jean is capable of withIN the WHR. youpi

So I guess everytime she battles,
she'll be running for her life into the WHR to affect a Universe. 😂

Wow! Bravo once more! Yeah! Of, you forgot that Jean saved an entire timeline in and it wasn't mentioned it was within WHR.

Originally posted by id369
Heh that was worth a chuckle.

Heh that was worth a chuckle.

Originally posted by id369

Mr. M states Jean stopped the nukes.
Comic: Nukes and the destruction of an Entire Time line ware stopped.
So tell me who is spewing fanatical bullshit?


Go ahead homie,
show us Phoenix atomically manipulating that Timeline,
show us Phoenix applying her power to that Timeline,
show us Phoenix doing ANYTHING at all to that Timeline directly.

Please, show us.

Wait, all you have is that statement? 😆

Get that shit out of here son.

Originally posted by id369

And the entire point of that vary scan is to depict how the Phoenix interacts with a time line in its totality.
Did she need to go into the WHR? - NO!
Did She need to hold in her hands? - NO!


The FF/Silver Surfer and many others save the Universe all the time,
does this make them atomic controllers of said Universer?

Nah.

So again, in Here Comes Tomorrow,
Jean did manipulate the atoms of a Timeline withIN the WHR,
Jean did hold a Timeline in her hands withIN the WHR.

Jean did NO such thing in that AoA scan.
Nothing even remotely resembling that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I see, so the Future was withIN Sublime:

😆

Very cute Emmie.

You know i never said that. 😉

Originally posted by Mr Master
Her telekinesis withIN the WHR you mean.

Which isn't surprising,
many entities are more versatile/powerful etc. withIn their own dimension.

When thats the case, it is stated to be so on panel or in bios. 🙂

Here it isnt. 🙁

Unless you can show me otherwise? 😖hifty:

Therefore it would be somewhat naive and really rather foolish to assume that that was the case here when the point isnt stated and what is stated is that Jeans feat was accomplished via telekinesis. Bio says the same.

You have nothing but your opposing opinion. Not good enough 👇