Neo vs. Luke Skywalker

Originally posted by dadudemon
Allow me to pull "an RJ"...its in the the thread...look it up. 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
Allow me to pull "an RJ"...its in the the thread...look it up. 😐

its not up to us to prove your claim, but up to you

google Kyp Durron, you'll see.

Here ya go:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/kypdurron/eu.html

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. [b]If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it

its not up to us to prove your claim, but up to you [/B]

Of course I can't prove that Luke mastered Matrix enlightenment. That's kind of what this whole thread is about.

But it shouldn't be beyond the grasp of Luke's mind. He proved time and time again that he can master things in mere moments what took years for people to master.

Also:

http://www.itog.com/item_info.pl?id=149571

In particular:

Abilities
His niece, Jaina Solo, describes him in the final Yuuzhan Vong battle as a maelstrom of Force energy, so calm and focused that he is unstoppable. She also says his lightsaber looks to be like 10 or 20 blades all moving at once. Luke's abilities with a lightsaber and the Force allow him to prevail over thousands of Yuuzhan Vong warriors, along with other enemies. In the Expanded Universe, it is noted that as Luke matures he learns how to deflect Force lightning and create a barrage of his own, strong enough to kill on impact.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Of course I can't prove that Luke mastered Matrix enlightenment. That's kind of what this whole thread is about.

But it shouldn't be beyond the grasp of Luke's mind. He proved time and time again that he can master things in mere moments what took years for people to master.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Also:

http://www.itog.com/item_info.pl?id=149571

In particular:

Abilities
His niece, Jaina Solo, describes him in the final Yuuzhan Vong battle as a maelstrom of Force energy, so calm and focused that he is unstoppable. She also says his lightsaber looks to be like 10 or 20 blades all moving at once. Luke's abilities with a lightsaber and the Force allow him to prevail over thousands of Yuuzhan Vong warriors, along with other enemies. In the Expanded Universe, it is noted that as Luke matures he learns how to deflect Force lightning and create a barrage of his own, strong enough to kill on impact.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
....ok s owhat there proves he cna move a planet...the fact he can defeat an army of warrios......like how neo destoyed a world full of agent smiths

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I was just adding that on to the fact that he can in fact move planets. Not my fault you haven't read any SW EU books. If you insist, I'll do the research and find it.

In the meantime, if Kyp Durron can move a spaceship, which is FAR larger than Neo, then certainly Luke can move MUCH MUCH larger objects.

Proof that Luke can move a spaceship is more than enough proof that he can toss Neo around like a rag doll.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
In the meantime, if Kyp Durron can move a spaceship, which is FAR larger than Neo, then certainly Luke can move MUCH MUCH larger objects.

Proof that Luke can move a spaceship is more than enough proof that he can toss Neo around like a rag doll.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
In the meantime, if Kyp Durron can move a spaceship, which is FAR larger than Neo, then certainly Luke can move MUCH MUCH larger objects.

Proof that Luke can move a spaceship is more than enough proof that he can toss Neo around like a rag doll.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
larger isnt the point, the point is the speeds at whih neo will be moving, which is harder than just dead weightt

Neo will be a stationary object, NOT moving at supersonic speeds.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Again, Luke's PRECOG will allow him to halt Neo's flight BEFORE Neo can attempt it.

Neo will be a stationary object, NOT moving at supersonic speeds.

you have given enough proof also that lukes force his strong enough to move and object going faster than 3x the speed of sound

We have been over this, Neo doesnt have precognition. You are assuming he has precognition, yet you have shown no proof of it.

Until you do, we have to assume he can NOT tell what Luke is going to do before he does it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
We have been over this, Neo doesnt have precognition. You are assuming he has precognition, yet you have shown no proof of it.

Until you do, we have to assume he can NOT tell what Luke is going to do before he does it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Again, Luke's PRECOG will allow him to halt Neo's flight BEFORE Neo can attempt it.

Neo will be a stationary object, NOT moving at supersonic speeds.

Why do you automatically assume that Neo thinking about flying and then flying is intrinsically slower than Luke sensing it and then activating force power #132, stopping people in flight?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
yes we have been over this, ne ocan see codes i nthe matrix and predict the most liely outcome based on what he sees, this is a form of precognition that neo can use

Originally posted by Robtard
Why do you automatically assume that Neo thinking about flying and then flying is intrinsically slower than Luke sensing it and then activating force power #132, stopping people in flight?