Originally posted by Galan007T3. But I don't think that's the cause.
Originally posted by Galan007If only it worked that way with everything.
Originally posted by Galan007Until it crapped out a few months back,
and caused every 'thrust' image I had uploaded, to corrupt.
I've been using Imageshack for a few years now,
every scan I've ever posted at kmc is still functional,
with the exception of a very few. (a mystery as to why the selective few)
Originally posted by Mr MasterIt is.
Wow, impressive, it may not be the case but that speed must be sweet regardless.
When browsing the internet, there's not much of a difference between T3, and DSL/cable...
But DL'ing files is great, [took me about 5 mins to DL a 400mb+ file].
Originally posted by Mr MasterYeah,
馃檨 That sucks.I've been using Imageshack for a few years now,
every scan I've ever posted at kmc is still functional,
with the exception of a very few. (a mystery as to why the selective few)
Both are excellent for uploads.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool, still CCU > Galactus.T ... I always enjoy your posts,(you're a true debater)
but the IG saga is one of my favorite, and if you know me,
you know I'm a Marvel Cosmic aficionado, Starlin fan since the 80's.But this post doesn't change this fact:
[B]The operation began in issue #5
,
in issue #5 we discover the Cubes had been stolen previously:.....................................................................
Aside from that,
I'll quickly prove how it was in Magus' interest for Galactus to FREE Eternity,
so even IF they would've been under Magus' control during the operation,
Magus would've surely allowed Galactus to succeed.POf course Eternity was ko'd by the Cubes,
but the Cubes didn't have to keep Eternity ko'd.But like I said, aside from that,
it was Magus' interest for Galactus to FREE Eternity,
so even IF they would've been under Magus' control during the operation,
Magus would've surely allowed Galactus to succeed.Per Jim Starlin?
Jim is not gonna tell me the operation began before IW#5 Page 14,
when On Panel it clearly began in IW#5 page 14.Anywho,
the reason Jim says the events took place between issue #4 and 5,
is because Galactus and Gamora reached Eternity at the end of issue#4,
but all the action took place in #5. [/B]
Well I have the great misfortune of no longer having my scans available due to hard drive failure (I will get my scans back shortly, RAID ftw), but I still would like to mention:
To be clear, are you in the position that the CCUs need to be under the influence of the controller, to maintain the controller's wishes (i.e., I use the CCU to wish that I am a billionaire, you steal the CCU from me, am I still a billionaire)? Between the many points being debated I believe that topic became somewhat blurry.
I agree with you that it was in Magus' best interest for G to free Eternity, but I don't believe it was a type of "hold Galactus' hand along the way" best interest, because, on the other side of the coin, the Catatonia still had to be maintained until G arrived to perform surgery. I.E. Eternity had to be subdued up to and including the point of arrival of G and Gamora. If I had my scans I'd put up the one that shows G/Gamora blasting bands that are clearly binding Eternity/Infinity in place...implicitly, the bands are purposefully not powerful enough to withstand G (per Magus' directive), but directly, still powerful enough to effect and maintain catatonia on Eternity's person. The two goals are somewhat contradictory but that is my interpretation. Lastly, there's also the scan where Magus is explaining to warlock the reasoning behind his plan "I needed Galactus for his naked might and cosmic prestige"=I needed Galactus to free Eternity, and I needed Galactus' prestige to request a hearing with the Tribunal and enable the IG to be effective by edict
anyway good to see that debate is providing for amusement for more people than ourselves 馃槑
Originally posted by TenebrousWell I have the great misfortune of no longer having my scans available due to hard drive failure (I will get my scans back shortly, RAID ftw), but I still would like to mention
Originally posted by TenebrousTo be clear, are you in the position that the CCUs need to be under the influence of the controller, to maintain the controller's wishes (i.e., I use the CCU to wish that I am a billionaire, you steal the CCU from me, am I still a billionaire)? .
So long as no one else claiming said Cube that granted your wishes changes your wish,
your wish stays in tact,
so long as no one destroys the Cube that granted your wish,
your wish stays intact.
Now obviously if the versa happens, then you lose your wish.
Originally posted by TenebrousI agree with you that it was in Magus' best interest for G to free Eternity,
but I don't believe it was a type of "hold Galactus' hand along the way" best interest, because, on the other side of the coin, the Catatonia still had to be maintained until G arrived to perform surgery. I.E. Eternity had to be subdued up to and including the point of arrival of G and Gamora.
Although this doesn't mean that at the point Galactus finally reached the bondage,
the Cubes didn't know to allow Galactus to succeed in his mission,
that being, to free Eternity.
So even by your sound logic,
the Cubes only had to maintain the bond until a specific point in time.
(that is, until Galactus struck)
Cubes are uber enough to bend logic and make it so Eternity can't break free,
but Galactus can break Eternity free.
I actually like that interpretation and I agree with it.
Originally posted by TenebrousIf I had my scans I'd put up the one that shows G/Gamora blasting bands that are clearly binding Eternity/Infinity in place...implicitly, the bands are purposefully not powerful enough to withstand G (per Magus' directive), but directly, still powerful enough to effect and maintain catatonia on Eternity's person. The two goals are somewhat contradictory but that is my interpretation.
I agree, and it is contradictory if we look at it that way.
But if we say,
the Cubes maintained Eternity in bondage until Galactus operated through Gamora,
thus the Cubes themselves allowed Galactus to free Eternity after he struck through Gamora,
it makes more sense imo.
Cause Galactus should not be overpowering something that overpowered Eternity/Infinity.
I think we both agree on that.
Originally posted by TenebrousLastly, there's also the scan where Magus is explaining to warlock the reasoning behind his plan "I needed Galactus for his naked might and cosmic prestige"=I needed Galactus to free Eternity, and I needed Galactus' prestige to request a hearing with the Tribunal and enable the IG to be effective by edict
Surely he needed Galactus to approach the LT,
and he needed Galactus to perform the operation,
but nevertheless it was an operation that was pre-destined to succeed.
Originally posted by Tenebrousanyway good to see that debate is providing for amusement for more people than ourselves 馃槑
I always enjoy discussions with true debaters. 馃檪
One last point T,
we shouldn't forget that the whole point of waking up Eternity and getting the IG,
was to oppose Magus' power (the Cubes)
So if Galactus would've been even remotely capable of truly overpowering the Cubes,
I don't see why the IG would've been necessary.
Heck, even the UN was thought into the picture by Galactus before the IG.
Just sayin friend.
Originally posted by Mr MasterYeah...since we disagree on the Starlin/WatIW9/IW4+5 stance, I wanted to know your position on cubes maintaining wishes, which would make our disagreement pertaining to when galactus acted irrelevant. I looked through my old issues of IC and found a few instances were Goddess' possession of the cosmic egg were compromised (by Pip) yet a lot of her wishes remained intact. So if Magus' CCUs were jacked by Goddess long before, I'm under the impression that the CCUs were maintaining their effect on Eternity/Infinity no matter how late or how early Galactus acted.
I can send you issues if you'd like via messengers (iChat/AIM)Good question, yes and no.
So long as no one else claiming said Cube that granted your wishes changes your wish,
your wish stays in tact,
so long as no one destroys the Cube that granted your wish,
your wish stays intact.Now obviously if the versa happens, then you lose your wish.
I agree.Although this doesn't mean that at the point Galactus finally reached the bondage,
the Cubes didn't know to allow Galactus to succeed in his mission,
that being, to free Eternity.So even by your sound logic,
the Cubes only had to maintain the bond until a specific point in time.
(that is, until Galactus struck)Cubes are uber enough to bend logic and make it so Eternity can't break free,
but Galactus can break Eternity free.I actually like that interpretation and I agree with it.
I have all the issues, and I know what you're talking about.I agree, and it is contradictory if we look at it that way.
But if we say,
the Cubes maintained Eternity in bondage until Galactus operated through Gamora,
thus the Cubes themselves allowed Galactus to free Eternity after he struck through Gamora,
it makes more sense imo.Cause Galactus should not be overpowering something that overpowered Eternity/Infinity.
I think we both agree on that.
Yeah. That goes with the point above^
True that,i'm sure he didn't mean that either. I gather what he meant was that G was the only party capable of pulling off 1 and 2 at the same time.
but I don't think he meant,
I need Galactus as in, the guy who can do what Eternity can't.Surely he needed Galactus to approach the LT,
and he needed Galactus to perform the operation,
but nevertheless it was an operation that was pre-destined to succeed.
However, since we never saw Magus actually wish for the CCUs to maintain hold over Eternity until Galactus arrived, my interpretation:
1. Magus knew that out of desperation, one of the hero leadership of Warlock/Galactus/Thanos would seek the IGs powers to counter the CCUs
2. Galactus petitions LT, LT tells G to ask Eternity. Now at this point, if G failed in his quest in freeing Eternity, or if he was struggling to free Eternity, Magus simply could have wished the bonds to evaporate (assuming Goddess didn't steal them...Goddess wasn't a factor in Magus' plans) and have Galactus believe he was responsible...either that or Galactus simply broke the bonds.
3. In any case, bonds are broken, Eternity is free, and Magus' plans move forward
The logic pertaining to the CCUs is appealing, but Magus never directly stated he made that specific wish (as in, hold Eternity till Galactus comes). All we see is that Eternity has been jumped by an outside power and is held in that state. Going by what's on-panel, I'm inclined to believe G over-powered the bonds...as you said the plan was destined to go forward, but it wasn't destined to go forward contingent solely on G's success...Magus could have wished it in either case.
Another interpretation is that the bands were akin to a jail cell...inside, you can't do shit, but the person outside can open the door using proper techniques, which is what I'm gonna go with. That would explain how superior strength is suppressed, and how external force (not necessarily as strong as the superior strength) overcame that suppression.
馃憜I always enjoy discussions with true debaters. 馃檪
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Originally posted by Mr Master
One last point T,
we shouldn't forget that the whole point of waking up Eternity and getting the IG,
was to oppose Magus' power (the Cubes)So if Galactus would've been even remotely capable of truly overpowering the Cubes,
I don't see why the IG would've been necessary.Heck, even the UN was thought into the picture by Galactus before the IG.
Just sayin friend.
Yeah, I had a problem with that though. G wasn't even remotely capable, but the UN was. Magus was shook of the UN.
Instead of going directly for the IG, the heroes should have sent Warlock and Thanos (which happened, as they were both there) to Magus' control room, and sabotage the blanketing field which prevented the UN's activation. Quasar can then activate the UN. We know Magus couldn't use the CCUs to counter the UN because
1. Thanos states it could easily terminate the "annoyance which is the magus"
2. magus started shitting bricks "it could destroy us all, even me!"
3. Further panic on the part of magus "only hope is to reach the containment units and directly use their wish granting powers!"
4. Increasing panic on the part of magus "he could fire the UN at any moment! Reach a unit and turn quasar into"
at which point he finds the CCUs stolen.
meaning, magus didn't seem to think he could directly affect the UN's power itself with the CCUs, only turn quasar into a cow or whatever to make the user of the UN ineffective.
So if the heroes used the UN first, and if that failed, then the IG (sequentially, that's what happened, but in terms of planning, the IG was the main objective, the UN the after-thought), that plan would have been much more sound, considering how unwilling all the parties were to reactivate the IG. I'm surprised Galactus went straight for the IG, while Thanos just whimsically decided to use the UN while everyone was on G's ship.
But, it's starlin's book, so that's how it is
http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Gamora%20scalpel/
Galactus performing the "operation" on Eternity in case someone isn't aware of the discussed incident.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
Eh...that ventures a bit too far in conjecture for my taste. Though I do remember reading somewhere Mephisto giving Thanos and Warlock council on the CCUs...i don't have that issue and i don't have the scans but it was pertaining to some quasi sentience/will that the CCUs had...as in being genies that have certain self-imposed restrictions and self-administering logic. If that's truly the case then I can see the logic behind the situation
This scan Tenebrous???
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cosmiccubesareallpowerful1wc.jpg
