Originally posted by TenebrousYeah...since we disagree on the Starlin/WatIW9/IW4+5 stance, I wanted to know your position on cubes maintaining wishes, which would make our disagreement pertaining to when galactus acted irrelevant.
I looked through my old issues of IC and found a few instances were Goddess' possession of the cosmic egg were compromised (by Pip) yet a lot of her wishes remained intact.
So if Magus' CCUs were jacked by Goddess long before,
I'm under the impression that the CCUs were maintaining their effect on Eternity/Infinity no matter how late or how early Galactus acted.
Based on that example T, I have to disagree.
Goddess' wishes remained intact, because Pip never changed them.
What I said was,
if another wielder of the Cube that you made wishes with,
does not change your wishes, then they stay intact:
Originally posted by Mr MasterSo long as no one else claiming said Cube that granted your wishes changes your wish,
your wish stays in tact,
so long as no one destroys the Cube that granted your wish,
your wish stays intact.Now obviously if the versa happens, then you lose your wish.
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In the IC case when Pip gets control of the Egg,
he never changes the Goddess wish,
in fact, he just fantasized through an entire issue (W &the IW #20)
even killing Eternity/Infinity along the way:
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Pip even made himself GOD!
But when we read,
we can see,
none of what he fantasized about during his time wielding the Egg he wanted,
hence, he never changed the Goddess wishes,
he never changed anything at all.
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When he finally decided to make one wish,
he got kick dropped off the Egg,
and the Goddess was quickly back in control:
Originally posted by TenebrousEh...that ventures a bit too far in conjecture for my taste. Though I do remember reading somewhere Mephisto giving Thanos and Warlock council on the CCUs...i don't have that issue and i don't have the scans but it was pertaining to some quasi sentience/will that the CCUs had...
as in being genies that have certain self-imposed restrictions and self-administering logic.
If that's truly the case then I can see the logic behind the situation
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Originally posted by Tenebrousi'm sure he didn't mean that either. I gather what he meant was that G was the only party capable of pulling off 1 and 2 at the same time.
However, since we never saw Magus actually wish for the CCUs to maintain hold over Eternity until Galactus arrived, my interpretation:
1. Magus knew that out of desperation, one of the hero leadership of Warlock/Galactus/Thanos would seek the IGs powers to counter the CCUs
2. Galactus petitions LT, LT tells G to ask Eternity. Now at this point, if G failed in his quest in freeing Eternity, or if he was struggling to free Eternity, Magus simply could have wished the bonds to evaporate (assuming Goddess didn't steal them...Goddess wasn't a factor in Magus' plans) and have Galactus believe he was responsible...either that or Galactus simply broke the bonds.
3. In any case, bonds are broken, Eternity is free, and Magus' plans move forward
The logic pertaining to the CCUs is appealing, but Magus never directly stated he made that specific wish (as in, hold Eternity till Galactus comes). All we see is that Eternity has been jumped by an outside power and is held in that state. Going by what's on-panel, I'm inclined to believe G over-powered the bonds...as you said the plan was destined to go forward, but it wasn't destined to go forward contingent solely on G's success...Magus could have wished it in either case.
Another interpretation is that the bands were akin to a jail cell...inside,
you can't do shit,
but the person outside can open the door using proper techniques,
which is what I'm gonna go with.That would explain how superior strength is suppressed,
and how external force (not necessarily as strong as the superior strength) overcame that suppression.
I agree with this final interpretation 100%
I was gonna bring up the incident where Giraud cauterizes 691 Eternity's cancer.
That's a perfect example how a cat that's >>>> beneath you, can save you.
