Originally posted by masterbruceNot really. Thor has excellent reactions. The discussion here is whether swinging the hammer would imply his other movements would be lightspeed in a fight...
it's not perfect, but I think it makes my point:If doesn't matter how fast you can attack if you can't distinguish your target because it's a blur.
OK I'm knocking down this whole gun whip thing right now.
The gun's bullet is a terrible example Masterbruce because the gunpodwer not the person's arm is providing the force behind the bullet therefore you can't use it.
Now as for the whip the end thanks to it's snake like body is what gives it that extra HMMPH a the end. It is completely different then a solid object like a Baseball bat or a Hammer because you can not swing those at the speed because the only power they have is coming directly from you.
Also mindship in case you haven't noticed but Thor doesn't always use the strap to swing the hammer and in fact it is not his normal means.
Anyways people can generally see what they swing therefore if Thor could swing the Hammer at lightspeed he would be able to react somewhat at light speed because his arm has to be going lightspeed for the hammer to be.
Next Thor has already fought someone who is faster than Superman in Gladiator as he has gone 100 times the speed of light before and was gaining and they were going all out with eachother. He wasn't completely overwhelmed by Gladiator
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Was Gladiator moving at lightspeeds during the fight?
yes that is the important question.
If Wolverine fights Flash while Flash is moving at regular human speed, that does not prove that Wolverine is a lightspeeder.
remember, they have to be FIGHTING at superspeed, not just TRAVELING at superspeed.
We all know Thor could fly at superspeed with Mjolnir
Originally posted by Soujaboy
This is for Batdude...You claim that Superman has the speed advantage, and your right when referring to flying speed. When it comes to reflexes and fighting speed Thor has actually been clocked as "swinging" faster than Superman. I've seen the "speedblitz" scans, and none of them show Superman going faster or even near light speed. However on the other hand Thor has been clocked swinging Mjolnir at multiples of light speed. Meaning that in all actuality Thor's combat speed is faster than Superman's, and that the speed advantage is Thor's. 😬
Swinging his hammer quickly doesn't equate to him being faster in actual combat.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Of course you can crack a whip faster than you can can swing your fist. However I doubt you can swing a hammer faster than you can swing your fist.The fact still remains that while Thor has shown to be able to swing Mjolnir at multiples of the speed of light, Superman has been shown to swing his fist at the same speed.
Is there scans of this? If so...awesome.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotWell Gladiator has shown the ability to speedblitz he did it against Hulk and they were both fighting to the fullest of their abilities then I say Glads was more than likely fighting at lightspeed at the least since he is a known lightspeeder.
Was Gladiator moving at lightspeeds during the fight?
So while there may be no mention of it just because it isn't said doesn't mean it isn't shown because if you always had to have spelled out then a good deal of feats are gone.
Basically Glads can fight at Superspeed he was fighting Thor to the max of his abilities so it is safe to say he was using his speed
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The whole "handling superspeed characters" is a bit of an iffy area, like the stuff I recently about the Super Skrull being able to handle Surfer and therefore not being susceptible to a speedblitz.Deathstroke has "handled" the Wally and Bart. 😬
Which is why I don't see how people can say that Flash can take Superman when Slade's beaten Wally and Bart. Look at his awesomeness in the Identity Crisis fight.
Originally posted by Newjak
Well Gladiator has shown the ability to speedblitz he did it against Hulk and they were both fighting to the fullest of their abilities then I say Glads was more than likely fighting at lightspeed at the least since he is a known lightspeeder.So while there may be no mention of it just because it isn't said doesn't mean it isn't shown because if you always had to have spelled out then a good deal of feats are gone.
Basically Glads can fight at Superspeed he was fighting Thor to the max of his abilities so it is safe to say he was using his speed
that is pretty terrible reasoning. We know for a fact that characters OFTEN DO NOT use their abilities, which is why we claim comics is full of PIS.
Originally posted by Howard_JonesLike taking a control of a GL ring from the someone who is generally considered the best or best-equal GL? Generally bad writing* doesn't equate to awesomeness...
Which is why I don't see how people can say that Flash can take Superman when Slade's beaten Wally and Bart. Look at his awesomeness in the Identity Crisis fight.
And Newjak, you know I luvs ya, but that's a pretty huge conclusion jump.
Edit* bad in the sense that characters are acting retarded, the story in itself wasn't terrible.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotSlade didn't actually succeed in taking over the GL did he?
Like taking a control of a GL ring from the someone who is generally considered the best or best-equal GL? Generally bad writing doesn't equate to awesomeness...And Newjak, you know I luvs ya, but that's a pretty huge conclusion jump.
Originally posted by Newjak
Silver Surfer scanned analyzed and found out how many shipps and how many people were operating those ships in a picosecond didn't you read any of your fight in the tourny?And Thor has swung his hammer at faster than lightspeeds, can travel at faster than light speeds fought people that can go way faster than lightspeed.
As for Thor being hit by people slower than Superman their called low showings my friend. Even Superman has them anyone remember him being KOed by an exploding Gas station. So by that showing any lighting bolt Thor throws out should KO Superman in one blow right 😉 So therefore Thor launching a Huge area wide lighting Storm would defeat Superman 10/10
Glads was getting beatin on because of a PIS ridden story where Hulk managed to have Glads radiation weakness as well.
As for them not using Superspeed in a fight that is ludicrious seeing as if they are figthing then obviously they are gonna be using there great speed for the advantage heck in their fight that was what was shown between Glads and Thor.
Now I agree Superman is afaster but he is nothing Thor hasn't seen before in fact Thor has seen faster in fights and while Superman may get the first punch he isn't KOing Thor who has stood within side a sun before or been hit by a celestial before. So Thor while have time to use his vast magical powers to deal with Superman in any way he wants.
Whether that be BFR into another Deminsion
Transmuting him into Helium Gas
Simply blasting him with so much magical power he goes down in a long drawn out battle take your pick.
Thor only TRAVELS fast. There's a huge difference. In order to accomplish his "3x the speed of light" feat, he has to use the hammer to catapult himself. That's not his natural speed, and that's NOT an indication of his reflex speed.
Yes, he HAS fought people who are extremely fast, and have extremely fast reaction speeds. However, neither Gladiator nor SS have ever used fast combat speeds against him.
- With Glads, it's a brute back and forth brawling type fight.
- With SS, it's weave and blast
Nothing special. They don't fight fast against him. Thor has always had trouble with people who DO fight fast against him.
Superman's reflexes make lightning look like it's going in slow motion, so...
Thor being hit by people slower than Superman is a low showing? 🤨 ❌
Well, they don't use their fastest combat speed in the fights he's had with them. You saying they'd go all out with their combat speed against him is flawed logic, considering that's not always the case. You're putting a real world spin on comic book logic. You can't argue straight up semantics about it.... that's just the nature of the beast.
That's just it though. It WOULD NOT just be one hit he'd land. It would be tons upon tons that he'd land on Thor before he could do anything about it. Superman would land MANY unanswered shots that Thor wouldn't be able to take for a long period of time. After a little bit, he's going to start realing from those blows.
Thor certainly isn't transmuting Superman, considering a magical skyfather level character was unable to do so.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotNot really Glads has superspeed everyone knows it same thing with SS he is even faster then Glads. We know Thor has fought both of them with them going all out. So even Glads or SS was only using half his speed that is still pretty fast.
Like taking a control of a GL ring from the someone who is generally considered the best or best-equal GL? Generally bad writing doesn't equate to awesomeness...And Newjak, you know I luvs ya, but that's a pretty huge conclusion jump.
But since they were going all out they were probably attacking with greater speeds even if you don't want to take their full speed into account
Originally posted by Newjak
Well Gladiator has shown the ability to speedblitz he did it against Hulk and they were both fighting to the fullest of their abilities then I say Glads was more than likely fighting at lightspeed at the least since he is a known lightspeeder.So while there may be no mention of it just because it isn't said doesn't mean it isn't shown because if you always had to have spelled out then a good deal of feats are gone.
Basically Glads can fight at Superspeed he was fighting Thor to the max of his abilities so it is safe to say he was using his speed
Your reasoning is off.