Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by Newjak
Not really Glads has superspeed everyone knows it same thing with SS he is even faster then Glads. We know Thor has fought both of them with them going all out. So even Glads or SS was only using half his speed that is still pretty fast.

But since they were going all out they were probably attacking with greater speeds even if you don't want to take their full speed into account

So by your logic, EVERYONE who has ever fought allout against Silver Surfer, Gladiator, and Superman can move at lightspeed.

So now we have to add Hulk, Juggernaut, Kalibak, Grundy, and other slow guys into the "lightspeed' class since they fought all out against lightspeeders.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Like taking a control of a GL ring from the someone who is generally considered the best or best-equal GL? Generally bad writing* doesn't equate to awesomeness...

You are aware that Kyle on a strategic level isn't that great, right? Hal Jordan takes the cake in that area. Kyle's just the creative one.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
You are aware that Kyle on a strategic level isn't that great, right? Hal Jordan takes the cake in that area. Kyle's just the creative one.

Originally posted by batdude123
Thor only TRAVELS fast. There's a huge difference. In order to accomplish his "3x the speed of light" feat, he has to use the hammer to catapult himself. That's not his natural speed, and that's NOT an indication of his reflex speed.

Yes, he HAS fought people who are extremely fast, and have extremely fast reaction speeds. However, neither Gladiator nor SS have ever used fast combat speeds against him.

- With Glads, it's a brute back and forth brawling type fight.

- With SS, it's weave and blast

Nothing special. They don't fight fast against him. Thor has always had trouble with people who DO fight fast against him.

Superman's reflexes make lightning look like it's going in slow motion, so...

Thor being hit by people slower than Superman is a low showing? 🤨 ❌

Well, they don't use their fastest combat speed in the fights he's had with them. You saying they'd go all out with their combat speed against him is flawed logic, considering that's not always the case. You're putting a real world spin on comic book logic. You can't argue straight up semantics about it.... that's just the nature of the beast.

That's just it though. It WOULD NOT just be one hit he'd land. It would be tons upon tons that he'd land on Thor before he could do anything about it. Superman would land MANY unanswered shots that Thor wouldn't be able to take for a long period of time. After a little bit, he's going to start realing from those blows.

Thor certainly isn't transmuting Superman, considering a magical skyfather level character was unable to do so.

So basically unless they are stated they are using superspeed we must assume that people who are fighting to the best of their abilities aren't going to use their speed or even some of it espeically since Superspeed is a big part of their power set. Well then everytime Superman gets hit and takes a punch from someone I'm gonna say that they weren't hitting their hardest therefore the Gas Station explosion stands as his durability marker Thor runs him then 10/10 😉

So basically after flying at superspeed swinging his hammer at superspeed and manageing to fight people with great superspeed he obviously can't have any speed reaction right tell me again why that doesn't work especially since he has been said to move as fast as the lighting he commands as well as be invisible to the eye. So all that and he still can't react to Superman who isn't even the fastest being Thor has faced.

I think that is a little flawed if you ask me. It's called putting everything together to see the big picture BD

hey guys, let's keep this about Superman v. Thor.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
One really doesn't have to be a tactical genius to fly into the air out of reach and hold someone in an energy construct.

I know, but Kyle always goes for the punch, especially in his younger days, which I'm sure that's when Identity Crisis occured.

Originally posted by Newjak
Oh yeah because in the fight they don't talk about Glads being faster in it right 🙄

So basically unless they are stated they are using superspeed we must assume that people who are fighting to the best of their abilities aren't going to use their speed or even some of it espeically since Superspeed is a big part of their power set. Well then everytime Superman gets hit and takes a punch from someone I'm gonna say that they weren't hitting their hardest therefore the Gas Station explosion stands as his durability marker Thor runs him then 10/10 😉

So basically after flying at superspeed swinging his hammer at superspeed and manageing to fight people with great superspeed he obviously can't have any speed reaction right tell me again why that doesn't work especially since he has been said to move as fast as the lighting he commands as well as be invisible to the eye. So all that and he still can't react to Superman who isn't even the fastest being Thor has faced.

I think that is a little flawed if you ask me. It's called putting everything together to see the big picture BD

He travels fast because of Mjolnir, not because of himself.

Originally posted by masterbruce
So by your logic, EVERYONE who has ever fought allout against Silver Surfer, Gladiator, and Superman can move at lightspeed.

So now we have to add Hulk, Juggernaut, Kalibak, Grundy, and other slow guys into the "lightspeed' class since they fought all out against lightspeeders.

It's called putting two and two togehter MB

Oh by the way unless Thor is flying blind he would have to be able to see things at lightspeed otherwise he would fly into everything on way to far off places.

Originally posted by masterbruce
He travels fast because of Mjolnir, not because of himself.

Thor's always been a quick fighter. Everyone has low showings. Ask Superman about Power Lines and gas stations.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
I know, but Kyle always goes for the punch, especially in his younger days, which I'm sure that's when Identity Crisis occured.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Thor's always been a quick fighter. Everyone has low showings. Ask Superman about Power Lines and gas stations.

he's quick, but not Superman quick.

Originally posted by masterbruce
he's quick, but not Superman quick.

Superman has been defeated by slower foes. Has Despero showed FTL reflexes?

Originally posted by masterbruce
He travels fast because of Mjolnir, not because of himself.

Originally posted by Newjak
Oh by the way unless Thor is flying blind he would have to be able to see things at lightspeed otherwise he would fly into everything on way to far off places.

Yup. QFT.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Superman has been defeated by slower foes. Has Despero showed FTL reflexes?

Originally posted by Newjak
Nope so I guess when he was fighting the JLA they were all going slower then what they could to give Despero a chance

Just what I was thinking.

Originally posted by masterbruce
he's quick, but not Superman quick.

Originally posted by Newjak
Nope so I guess when he was fighting the JLA they were all going slower then what they could to give Despero a chance

Originally posted by Newjak
Also mindship in case you haven't noticed but Thor doesn't always use the strap to swing the hammer and in fact it is not his normal means.

I don't really see how that implies Thor could do the macarena at lightspeed.

Originally posted by Newjak
So basically unless they are stated they are using superspeed we must assume that people who are fighting to the best of their abilities aren't going to use their speed or even some of it espeically since Superspeed is a big part of their power set. Well then everytime Superman gets hit and takes a punch from someone I'm gonna say that they weren't hitting their hardest therefore the Gas Station explosion stands as his durability marker Thor runs him then 10/10 😉

So basically after flying at superspeed swinging his hammer at superspeed and manageing to fight people with great superspeed he obviously can't have any speed reaction right tell me again why that doesn't work especially since he has been said to move as fast as the lighting he commands as well as be invisible to the eye. So all that and he still can't react to Superman who isn't even the fastest being Thor has faced.

I think that is a little flawed if you ask me. It's called putting everything together to see the big picture BD

I don't even know what you're talking about in your first paragraph. I stated they didn't use a speed blitz in the fights with Thor quite simply because they DIDN'T. Marvel isn't know for its speed blitzing characters. That's more of a DC thing.

Hey, if you want me to use Thor at his lowest durability showing, then I'll just say he can't take a bullet to the head. In that case, one punch from Superman would make Thor blow up. 🙄

Don't you get it though? Him flying at super speeds is directly related to Mjolnir. He has to use it as a catapult to get himself to those speeds. His "3x faster than light" feat isn't his natural speed. His reflexes are fast, but they're still unarguably slower than Superman's. Superman's combat speed is much more effective than Thor's anyday of the week as well. So, Thor's exotic powers would be inevitably trumped by Superman's speed. He'd be knocked silly before he got the chance to.

Nothing is flawed about it, jak. Thor would have a problem with Superman's superior combat speeds. So speedblitz ftw...