Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by jasofisc
um you obvously don't know anything about mongul since the mongul in your scans is the orgnals son the pre-crisis mongul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current mongul wow I really can't believe you just wrote that. and when does it ever state that in post crisis people say the same about hulk doesn't make it true. I'm not mad at you at all and I seem to know more about these characters then you judging by your post.

I simply said that has been in the Mongul powerset since the precrisis days. I never compared the two Monguls feat by feat.

And it's obvious you don't know anything about the characters...you are just bitter because I embarrassed you and your silly statement with a scan AND showed more speed for Superman yet again. 🙂

Originally posted by Newjak
You know instead of attacking me.

Perhaps it would be better to attack the validity of my statements on the matter. Explain why my statements are wrong, why must Superman's city building feat have taken seconds and not hours.

Mind you any explanation you give must prove beyond all shadow of doubt that Superman did it.

Already done; common sense.

You'd have to have the mental faculties of a three year old to think that the writer intended a single panel of Superman operating at super-speed to take the span of hours.

Minutes could be easily arguable.

Seconds is more likely.

Hours? You're as big a fool as if you were arguing days, weeks, or months.

Originally posted by Soljer
No, the general consensus is that newjak is a moron because he asserts things with no logical rationale to support it.

I never once said that Superman would beat current Thor like a redheaded step child.

Hell, to my memory, I don't think I've ever explicitly said that Superman'd win this fight, period.

Originally posted by Soljer
Already done; common sense.

You'd have to have the mental faculties of a three year old to think that the writer intended a single panel of Superman operating at super-speed to take the span of hours.

Minutes could be easily arguable.

Seconds is more likely.

Hours? You're as big a fool as if you were arguing days, weeks, or months.

Then how can you infer what the writer must have been thinking 😉

Originally posted by Soljer
Already done; common sense.

You'd have to have the mental faculties of a three year old to think that the writer intended a single panel of Superman operating at super-speed to take the span of hours.

Minutes could be easily arguable.

Seconds is more likely.

Hours? You're as big a fool as if you were arguing days, weeks, or months.

It's done in the span of 3 words....

Originally posted by Newjak
What logical rationale prove to me Superman built a city in seconds without using the same things you chastise Thor people for when they Thor blocked Silver Surfer's attack.

here I will try one more time

In one panel there is no city

In the next panel a city is erected with superman zigzaging so fast he's literally lines around the city

that indicates it was seconds or at the very most minutes...and thus still require FTL speed to accomplish

Does it matter if this Thor turns out to be a Skrull?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
here I will try one more time

In one panel there is no city

In the next panel a city is erected with superman zigzaging so fast he's literally lines around the city

that indicates it was seconds or at the very most minutes...and thus still require FTL speed to accomplish

What does all of this have to do with Superman being able to defeat a being leagues above him in power? Who gives a fig about his battle speed, when a battle between the two would never have to become physical?

Originally posted by Avlon
It's done in the span of 3 words....

Originally posted by Master-Borg
here I will try one more time

In one panel there is no city

In the next panel a city is erected with superman zigzaging so fast he's literally lines around the city

that indicates it was seconds or at the very most minutes...and thus still require FTL speed to accomplish

Originally posted by Newjak
How did you find out that this pnael must have been a few seconds long. Where is the statement that all panels must be seconds long?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
usually, when events happen in panels next to each other, they are moments apart...unless there is indication otherwise

Originally posted by Newjak
Mind you any explanation you give must prove beyond all shadow of doubt that Superman did it.

Oh wait this isn't a murder trial? 🙂

My bad. 🙁

😂 at Cresh

FYI guys Superman built that city in seconds but Batdude still sucks 😛

Originally posted by Master-Borg
here I will try one more time

In one panel there is no city

In the next panel a city is erected with superman zigzaging so fast he's literally lines around the city

that indicates it was seconds or at the very most minutes...and thus still require FTL speed to accomplish

Originally posted by Alucard25
Ok let me get this straight are you trying to say that Superman would beat anyone as long as he is far faster than them no matter how far above him in power they might be.Like for example Galactus he is leagues above Superman in power yet he has to my knowledge no speed feats whatsoever and has been killed and koed and so would Superman beat him as well.

It's funny though, that they refuse to admit that Thor has FTL battle reflexes, even though they are clearly depicted on-panel. He has also managed to fight and beat Surfer and Gladiator, who on-panel have nanoseconds reactions times. Even further then that, they don't want to admit that Surfer has FTL battle speed, even though he's been shown to search the entire planet in the time it took to finish a sentence, which is pretty much the same thing that happens in their Superman rebuilding scan.

Double standards. Whether you take em or drop em, their arguments fall like dominoes. If that scan is not conclusory, then Superman has no proven FTL speed-blitz capability and Thor's proven ON-PANEL FTL battle reflexes give him a good chance of defending against Superman's STL (slower then light) speedblitz.

If you reverse this, and accept that the rebuilding Bizarro city feat counts as evidence of his FTL battle-speed, then you must necessarily accept that Surfer searching the entire Earth in seconds is evidence of his FTL battle-speed. You add this to his on-panel depictions of nanosecond reaction times and combine that with Thor's ability to fight a bloodlusted all-out Surfer evenly and now Thor has FTL battle speed. And that's not the end. Because Gladiator has on-panel nanosecond reaction times and Thor has fought him evenly and even embarassed him. The only time Gladiator appeared superior in any fight was against Masterson Thor. Their arguments kill themselves.

And you hit the nail on the head Alucard25. Employing this double standard against a foe like Odinforce Thor is just embarassing.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That's exactly what they are trying to say. They also want to infer that Superman can achieve FTL speedblitzes despite never having done so on-panel. The only scan they have is a disputable rebuilding a city scan. They would like to infer that took seconds.

It's funny though, that they refuse to admit that Thor has FTL battle reflexes, even though they are clearly depicted on-panel. He has also managed to fight and beat Surfer and Gladiator, who on-panel have nanoseconds reactions times. Even further then that, they don't want to admit that Surfer has FTL battle speed, even though he's been shown to search the entire planet in the time it took to finish a sentence, which is pretty much the same thing that happens in their Superman rebuilding scan.

Double standards. Whether you take em or drop em, their arguments fall like dominoes. If that scan is not conclusory, then Superman has no proven FTL speed-blitz capability and Thor's proven ON-PANEL FTL battle reflexes give him a good chance of defending against Superman's STL (slower then light) speedblitz.

If you reverse this, and accept that the rebuilding Bizarro city feat counts as evidence of his FTL battle-speed, then you must necessarily accept that Surfer searching the entire Earth in seconds is evidence of his FTL battle-speed. You add this to his on-panel depictions of nanosecond reaction times and combine that with Thor's ability to fight a bloodlusted all-out Surfer evenly and now Thor has FTL battle speed. And that's not the end. Because Gladiator has on-panel nanosecond reaction times and Thor has fought him evenly and even embarassed him. The only time Gladiator appeared superior in any fight was against Masterson Thor. Their arguments kill themselves.

And you hit the nail on the head Alucard25. Employing this double standard against a foe like Odinforce Thor is just embarassing.

You're not very good at rules are you?

In fact these are the ones you're the worst at:

No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're not very good at rules are you?

In fact these are the ones you're the worst at:

Hey Cresh! wouldn't it be PIS for Superman to defeat Odin, when he has fits with someone like Despero, and was categorically placed on the same level as Orion?

Thor is now even more powerful than Odin, which not only gives him the power to stop a Gladiator like character dead in his tracks, but he could amp him, or strip him of his abilities.

Technically speaking, Odin could rearrange Superman's power in a way that he would/could appear as a normal human with no powers at all. As I pointed out Thor is more powerful than his father ever was, making him leagues above a brute like Superman. Speed is irrelevant here, as is strength.

How would it be possible to defeat Superman while he was moving so fast? The Odinforce has held superstrong characters in place before, the same force which could be errected to prevent Superman from ever hitting Thor.

What is more durable Captain America's Shield or Supermans face? How about the Destroyers armor vs Supermans face?

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Hey Cresh! wouldn't it be PIS for Superman to defeat Odin, when he has fits with someone like Despero, and was categorically placed on the same level as Orion?

Thor is now even more powerful than Odin, which not only gives him the power to stop a Gladiator like character dead in his tracks, but he could amp him, or strip him of his abilities.

Technically speaking, Odin could rearrange Superman's power in a way that he would/could appear as a normal human with no powers at all. As I pointed out Thor is more powerful than his father ever was, making him leagues above a brute like Superman. Speed is irrelevant hear as is strength.

How would it be possible to defeat Superman while he was moving so fast? The Odinforce has held superstrong characters in place before, the same force which could be errected to prevent Superman from evr hitting Thor.

What is more durable Captain America's Shield or Supermans face? How about the Destroyers armor vs Supermans face?

I was refering to this:
"That's exactly what they are trying to say. They also want to infer that Superman can achieve FTL speedblitzes despite never having done so on-panel. "

I don't even believe that Thor is stronger then Odin, although Rune King Thor is. WAY ABOVE!