Originally posted by quanchi112
When did Thor act like he wasn't back at full power. If this was true he would definitely have mentioned it. His powers were restored and that's that.Hulk sure seemed to think so. That was why he quickly knocked him up there.
You have zero proof that Thor wasn't at full power. Thor simply couldn't put Hulk down. He has always struggled with the Hulk. It drives Thor crazy that he can't put him down for the count.
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Are you serious?
Thor needed a ten times amp in strength, just to survive and hold his own in this fight. Thor in the past would stalemate Hulk hours on end, on his own strength and not budge an inch whether it was Savage Hulk or Mindless Hulk.
With Mjolnir in hand, he has smacked the Hulk around in the past. In the past the moment he got serious and stopped holding back like he usually does to an extent, he sent Mindless Hulk flying. Even in that issue he states he holds back his power/strength in his previous fights with the Hulk, yet here going all out, fighting to the death, with Mjolnir in hand, and with a 10 ten times amp, and all he was doing is holding his own?
For god sakes, some cold water, and a punch from Hulk was able to seriously stun him.
Even the act of catching Mjolnir return to him was an actual effort.
Apparently an explosion of that size would have killed him when his tanked explosions equivalent to an exploding Sun, blasts from Galactus, planet destroying attacks, physically unharmed. Hell, the simple shock wave of the explosion, blew Thor away, like a rag doll.
If you honestly, think that was Thor at full power, then you better read some more Thor.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Holy shit, I didn't remember Hercules having speed feats in that issue.And actually, Herc didn't seem to do such a bad job. Interesting. I'm going senile at my old age apparently.
It was a decent enough showing. Still, about 25 punches, and Hulk only has a nose bleed. Maybe he traded, speed for power? That would make sense.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was a decent enough showing. Still, about 25 punches, and Hulk only has a nose bleed. Maybe he traded, speed for power? That would make sense.srug
Why? Because anytime he fights someone really powerful and strong, he resorts to the classic draw back your arm and let the haymaker go. Why resort to that almost every time if your speedblitzing punches pack the same force?
Makes sense in the real world, too. Its why a jab is faster than a hook, but the hook is slower.
Originally posted by Enyalus
That's the opinion I've held regarding all speed showings. For instance, I don't believe Superman hits as hard speedblitzing as when fighting normally.Why? Because anytime he fights someone really powerful and strong, he resorts to the classic draw back your arm and let the haymaker go. Why resort to that almost every time if your speedblitzing punches pack the same force?
Makes sense in the real world, too. Its why a jab is faster than a hook, but the hook is slower.
Hmmm, that would makes sense.
How would you explain the Flash?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
eerAre you serious?
Thor needed a ten times amp in strength, just to survive and hold his own in this fight. Thor in the past would stalemate Hulk hours on end, on his own strength and not budge an inch whether it was Savage Hulk or Mindless Hulk.
With Mjolnir in hand, he has smacked the Hulk around in the past. In the past the moment he got serious and stopped holding back like he usually does to an extent, he sent Mindless Hulk flying. Even in that issue he states he holds back his power/strength in his previous fights with the Hulk, yet here going all out, fighting to the death, with Mjolnir in hand, and with a 10 ten times amp, and all he was doing is holding his own?
For god sakes, some cold water, and a punch from Hulk was able to seriously stun him.
Even the act of catching Mjolnir return to him was an actual effort.
Apparently an explosion of that size would have killed him when his tanked explosions equivalent to an exploding Sun, blasts from Galactus, planet destroying attacks, physically unharmed. Hell, the simple shock wave of the explosion, blew Thor away, like a rag doll.
If you honestly, think that was Thor at full power, then you better read some more Thor.
That wasnt thor at full power because it was stated in the comic that thor lost his power and he got some kind of amp that could have gave him a percentage of his power but how much, we really dont know.
By the way, that wasnt regular, savage or mindless hulk, that was maestro.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Hulk was also amplified in that fight though, but it was still awful writing.I wonder how they reckon Thor survives in space, since he is apparently so dependant on air....
That was maestro, not regular hulk and thor was powerless before he fought hulk, he hit his hammer on the ground and got some kind of amp, dont know how much of his power he got though. Thats why Herc was saying that he was unable to stop thor from going off when it was mentioned that he was powerless.
Originally posted by G-Mafia
Hulk's "base" is right before he reverts back to Banner. That's the only time he's "calm".
This is enough proof that base hulk strength is over 100 tons and as WWH, his base strength was waaay over that level also.
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9219/wwhgf020lp6.jpg
Again base hulk strength is a mystery and some people even think WWH base strength is in the 100 ton range when he has feats while calm that puts him waay over that level.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkstrength1.jpg
Basically holding up a space ship and its clearly over a 100 tons.
Originally posted by carver9
That wasnt thor at full power because it was stated in the comic that thor lost his power and he got some kind of amp that could have gave him a percentage of his power but how much, we really dont know.By the way, that wasnt regular, savage or mindless hulk, that was maestro.
Dude, what I'm trying to explain to him that Thor wasn't at full power. That's my point. You don't have to convince me.
He had no power, and then when he hit the tapped the ground with Mjolnir, he got back some of his power, but that's about it.
Originally posted by carver9
This is enough proof that base hulk strength is over 100 tons and as WWH, his base strength was waaay over that level also.http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9219/wwhgf020lp6.jpg
Again base hulk strength is a mystery and some people even think WWH base strength is in the 100 ton range when he has feats while calm that puts him waay over that level.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkstrength1.jpg
Basically holding up a space ship and its clearly over a 100 tons.
It says there that his strength is rated in the 100 ton range, but his proven to exceed those limits. Which means that he starts out in the 100 ton range, but since he can increase his strength his exceeds those limits. Green Scar's base is even higher than Savage Hulks. Green Scar has focused rage, thanks to Hiroim. He has the focus needed to accomplish his task yet remain in control over himself.
Originally posted by G-Mafia
That's what I'm getting at. From the moment Banner transforms he is already in Thor and Supes range of strength. And he only continues to climb as his stress increases. Up until the moment he's calm enough to revert back.
I agree and feats proves this. I'm trying to get this in rage head.
If the Hulk was already in their range of strength the moment he transformed, he would've beat the crap out of Thor in their fights, and wouldn't need to amp, to defeat such opponents as Abomination(He possesses around twice Hulk's base strength.). That's just common sense. Just think about it.
Thor can support the weight of half a planet, and is capable of planet shattering blows. He overpowed and lifted the Midgard Serpent, which was crushing Earth in it's grip.
If he was at that level at base, well then, the Hulk would have shit stomped a lot of people he didn't.....
