Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by Warlord
what about magic weakness or energy absorption in Thor's favor.
Plus Thor has shown speed to counter speedsters... Not that supes won't have an advantage but it isn't like he would be untouchable imo

Supes magic weakness isn't that big of a deal now..he even survive kryptonite weapon that kill another kryptonian..it's not easy to put him down using his weakness now day..and what would energy absorption do??Supes only got heat vision..i'm pretty sure Thor can take that without the help from his hammer..

speed is a very important thing..when u have the speed and can generate enough force to hurt your opponent..u can win everytime..but in comic that won't happen cuz there's PIS and CIS..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Supes magic weakness isn't that big of a deal now..he even survive kryptonite weapon that kill another kryptonian..it's not easy to put him down using his weakness now day..and what would energy absorption do??Supes only got heat vision..i'm pretty sure Thor can take that without the help from his hammer..

energy drain can do exactly that...drain him...Supes is a living solar batery. Thor can just drain the power out of him. He has done it to the Presence and Supes was afraid Triumph could kill him this way.

As for magic I know it's not a great edge but it is an edge nontheless

Originally posted by quanchi112
How isn't it canon to marvel? Also, the writer admitted it could go either way as I asked him myself so a narrow win isn't proof he wins a majority on a battle board.

I was just joshing with that post. However, I'm pretty sure there are some inconsistencies between JLA/Avengers and what was going around in the MU. I remember coming across them. I'd have to flip through the crossover again, but one of the main ones involved the Infinity Gauntlet or something similar.

I know. It's not the case despite what some might want to believe.

All JLA/Avengers shows is that Superman has to work his ass off for every single win he takes over. That fight was just showcasing one of the 4 wins he'd take out of 10 against Thor. 🙂

We should have a crossover written by a writer who favors Thor and see how that works out for Clark.

he'd still win. 😛

The way relations are between Marvel and DC atm, a crossover would probably be terrible if it even happens at all.

Didio and Quesada's egos are to big for a crossover right now. I cannot wait until all of these white old men retire.

Originally posted by -Pr-
he'd still win. 😛

He'd win an ass kicking.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Didio and Quesada's egos are to big for a crossover right now. I cannot wait until all of these white old men retire.

He'd win an ass kicking.

i just don't get why you assume Busiek was anti-Thor.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i just don't get why you assume Busiek was anti-Thor.

I never said Busiek was anti-Thor. Contrary to other Thor fans, I liked some of Busiek's work on Thor and thought he obviously respected his power level (He'd clearly show as Thor being the most powerful Avenger on different occasions etc.) but you have to admit, he's more of a DC/Superman kind of guy than a Marvel/Thor type of guy.

The only thing that I didn't like about his take on Thor was that sometimes he was this raging muscle head. It was weird, he'd go from this wise type of character to angry brute. Maybe he was just quick to get angry under Busiek.

His Thor isn't bullet proof stance is annoying though. I was chatting with him and shit, he really is adamant about that. You should have seen the e-mail he sent me.

I don't think his anti-Thor at all. The way he portrayed Thor in comparison to Superman and other Marvel powerhouses when you look at how guys like Hercules and Wonder Man faired speaks volumes.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I never said Busiek was anti-Thor. Contrary to other Thor fans, I liked some of Busiek's work on Thor and thought he obviously respected his power level (He'd clearly show as Thor being the most powerful Avenger on different occasions etc.) but you have to admit, he's more of a DC/Superman kind of guy than a Marvel/Thor type of guy.

The only thing that I didn't like about his take on Thor was that sometimes he was this raging muscle head. It was weird, he'd go from this wise type of character to angry brute. Maybe he was just quick to get angry under Busiek.

His Thor isn't bullet proof stance is annoying though. I was chatting with him and shit, he really is adamant about that. You should have seen the e-mail he sent me.

I don't think his anti-Thor at all. The way he portrayed Thor in comparison to Superman and other Marvel powerhouses when you look at how guys like Hercules and Wonder Man faired speaks volumes.

So you think he gave Thor a raw deal simply with how he views the character without being outright against him?

Originally posted by Warlord
energy drain can do exactly that...drain him...Supes is a living solar batery. Thor can just drain the power out of him. He has done it to the Presence and Supes was afraid Triumph could kill him this way.

As for magic I know it's not a great edge but it is an edge nontheless

have anyone ever manage to absorb his solar energy under a yellow star??

and i think his speed will give him the edge..how will Thor use his power against someone he can't even keep up??

Originally posted by Slaanesh
have anyone ever manage to absorb his solar energy under a yellow star??

and i think his speed will give him the edge..how will Thor use his power against someone he can't even keep up??

yes a guy from the elite if I remmeber correctly.

I don't think Thor cannot keep up against Supes. He can do so against Gladiator, Hyperion, Surfer and Warlock. He has the speed disadvantage but not in a margin to be hopeless

Originally posted by -Pr-
So you think he gave Thor a raw deal simply with how he views the character without being outright against him?

I'm not happy that Clark won and I'd have liked a fight that was so anticipated to have lasted longer than 3 freaking pages, but the way he wrote Thor's defeat had class. He made it clear that Thor and Superman are physical peers, and that a Superman using his other powers such as heat vision, along with his speed and flight could beat a Thor who was in brick mode and did nothing but spin his hammer and toss blows around.

Heck, he even had Thor win the hand to hand confrontation they had (Not that much different than Thor looking superior to Captain Marvel in hand to hand in that brief skirmish.). With Mjolnir, I'd think the edge would lean to Thor.

I don't have much problems with that fight besides the briefness. I would have liked it if Superman fainted on his own after the defeat instead of being beaten down but whatever.

However, I do believe Busiek favors Superman.

Superman is above Thor barring weaknesses. And Thor is awesome.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
have anyone ever manage to absorb his solar energy under a yellow star??

and i think his speed will give him the edge..how will Thor use his power against someone he can't even keep up??

Energy absorption and manipulation are one of the bigger chinks in Clark's defenses and why he'd be unlucky to fight someone like Magneto or a Thor whose in the mood to drain some energy.

Seeing as how you have the stance Superman will resort to speed instead of straight up brawling, I could just claim that Thor unleashes some omni-directional attacks on Clark's ass.

Originally posted by Bentley
Superman is above Thor barring weaknesses. And Thor is awesome.

Nah.

Originally posted by Bentley
Superman is above Thor barring weaknesses. And Thor is awesome.

who in your opinion takes this?

Originally posted by Warlord
yes a guy from the elite if I remmeber correctly.

I don't think Thor cannot keep up against Supes. He can do so against Gladiator, Hyperion, Surfer and Warlock. He has the speed disadvantage but not in a margin to be hopeless

i don't know about that fight..so i'm not gonna argue about it..

Thor can't even keep up with Wolverine..how the hell did he keep up against Glad??did Glad even use his speed??Thor doesn't really have any kinda super speed..it's kinda impossible for me to accept that he can keep up with a guy that can move near lightspeed..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
i don't know about that fight..so i'm not gonna argue about it..

Thor can't even keep up with Wolverine..how the hell did he keep up against Glad??did Glad even use his speed??Thor doesn't really have any kinda super speed..it's kinda impossible for me to accept that he can keep up with a guy that can move near lightspeed..

If you want to low ball, Clark is slower than the street level Shiva owned, Shadowdragon.

Originally posted by Slaanesh

Thor can't even keep up with Wolverine..how the hell did he keep up against Glad??did Glad even use his speed??Thor doesn't really have any kinda super speed..it's kinda impossible for me to accept that he can keep up with a guy that can move near lightspeed..

only he has moved at lightspeed on pannel before.
Writers tend to vary the characters showings. Only a few months after the wolverine fight, Thor was schooling Quicksilver who now is as fast as radio waves. He was able to easily doge Hyperion in the past and counter a blitzing gladiator.

Supes speed has been contradicting before from unable to race light to moving thousands of times lightspeed.

IMO one should base his opinion to average fights and the truth is that Thor has been fighting consistently oponnents way faster than Wolverine.

However in comics charcaters tend to go down to the level of the guy the're fighting especially if he is a hero too

Originally posted by Warlord
who in your opinion takes this?

Likely Thor, but about 6/10. It comes down to who holds back the most.