Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So yes the physical strength of a high herald wielding a magical invulnerable weapon is a huge threat to Superman.

No.

So let me get this straight. Superman is fighting out of character and speed blitzing from the start, whilst Thor is just being dumb and swinging a fist at Superman?

Don't think so!

Even in a brawl Mjolnir will be a distinct advantage for Thor, a weapon that can be wielded at incredible speeds.

Not to mention it's very much in character for Thor to throw Mjolnir at his opponent from the onset. And Mjolnir can travel multiple times the speed of light and lock down on it's target and follow it until it hits.

In fact even Surfer can not outrun or outmaneuver Mjolnir. So yeah it's not in character at all for Thor to just go up to a Speedster Brick and take a punch and lose.

And you seem to be seriously overstating Superman's strength advantage.

Thor for the easy win here by weakness exploitation. Few hits from the magic hammer would be enough to knock down/out Superman.

Even the Jla/Avengers showed the inferiority of Superman against Thor, the writers had to disregard his weakness in order to make him win.

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Superman is just that damn powerful that magic from a puny god doesn't affects him.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. [B]Thor the Brawler- You think my description of Thor as a "Brawler" is a mischaracterization. Respectfully, that makes absolutely no sense given the decades of Thor's canon. The Odinson brawls first and uses Mjolnir as a blunt object. If that fails, he then begins to use the hammer's other abilities.

How many fights do you want me to cite to prove this?

2. Speedblitz- The speed advantage is enough that it doesn't require a blitz from the onset. Thor's history against speed is not good at all.

3. Strength- SUPERMAN IS A TIER STRONGER THAN THOR. That is an undeniable fact.

A fight between Superman and Thor most likely resembles his battle against Count Nefaria. [/B]

1. I can't tell you how many countless times Thor throws Mjolnir as his opening move. And the way you say Thor brawls first and uses other abilities later is the exact same way Superman rarely Speed Blitz going for the kill first. If you want them BOTH to fight in character, then they're both getting hit.

If you want them both to fight smart, then they're both getting hit.

If you want Superman to fight smart from the onset, and Thor to fight in character, then Superman would have the huge advantage from the start. But that's just the way you want to picture it.

2. LOL You really need to brush up on Thor if you think he doesn't have a good history against Speed. So tell me exactly which High Herald Speedster does he not have a good history against in battle? Gladiator, Hyperion, Surfer?
Surfer even comments he can't outrun/outmaneuver Mjolnir. And that's in a comic written by Stan the man Lee himself. Thor was always intended to have the power set to be the top dog of Marvel comics. (Although nowadays him and Surfer are more on par).

3. You're clearly underestimating Thor's strength as much as you're underestimating his combat skills. This is the guy who stalemated Savage Hulk in strength for hours on end.

Ah yes, always the Count Nefaria example. The one every Superman fan jumps to. Well I can just as easily turn around and say Thor will give Superman the Hyperion treatment and shrink him. Or the Gladiator treatment and Blast past all his super speed. You'll have to do better than that pal.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman doesn't need to blitz Thor to win. Just fighting at his normal speeds would be suffice. And no, Superman is much stronger than Thor.

At normal speeds?

He'd be in risk of Thor godblasting him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Superman is just that damn powerful that magic from a puny god doesn't affects him.

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A godblast would take Supes down brah.

I don't know why it is so hard to accept that a fight in a comic is not CISless, and even Forum fights are still in character. This is not OWAW Superman but the regular one, he is arguably stronger by feats and faster, still Thor has Mjolnir and Superman lacks the special resistance against Magic. It is no sacrilege to give Thor 4-5/10 wins imo. I can see them being treated as equals in comics more often than not, 50-50.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I don't know why it is so hard to accept that a fight in a comic is not CISless, and even Forum fights are still in character. This is not OWAW Superman but the regular one, he is arguably stronger by feats and faster, still Thor has Mjolnir and Superman lacks the special resistance against Magic. It is no sacrilege to give Thor 4-5/10 wins imo. I can see them being treated as equals in comics more often than not, 50-50.

So obviously they'll use the strongest strategies they have at hand.

Ergo, you can eliminate 80% of the posts here because they mainly consist of.

'Superman's been tagged by slow people!dur'

And

'Thor always brawls! dur'

Originally posted by Sabro
Thor for the easy win here by weakness exploitation. Few hits from the magic hammer would be enough to knock down/out Superman.

Even the Jla/Avengers showed the inferiority of Superman against Thor, the writers had to disregard his weakness in order to make him win.

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You and I must've read different JLA/Avengers because I distinctly remember Superman putting Thor down. But hey, keep trying to convince yourself that Thor somehow looked better if it helps you sleep at night! 🙂

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You are overstating the "Magical weakness" to a ridiculous extent.

Superman has defeated numerous magic based foes to prove this.

Yeah, it's funny how all the Superman haters seem to think that Superman vs any character using magic-based attacks equals auto-loss for the Man of Steel when he rarely loses even against characters with magic.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I don't know why it is so hard to accept that a fight in a comic is not CISless, and even Forum fights are still in character. This is not OWAW Superman but the regular one, he is arguably stronger by feats and faster, still Thor has Mjolnir and Superman lacks the special resistance against Magic. It is no sacrilege to give Thor 4-5/10 wins imo. I can see them being treated as equals in comics more often than not, 50-50.

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Originally posted by Star428
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You and I must've read different JLA/Avengers because I distinctly remember Superman putting Thor down. But hey, keep trying to convince yourself that Thor somehow looked better if it helps you sleep at night! 🙂

Actually apart from Thor not using Mjolnir to deflect/absorb Superman's HV, I think that crossover fight was pretty good. Superman even admits he barely beat him, and that he was the single.. toughest.. he's ever..

So yeah I'm fine with that fight ending the way it did, especially considering Thor didn't even use his most powerful weapon- the godblast. But yeah, no magical vulnerability was shown in that fight at all.

If Thor tried to summon a godblast he'd have been koed earlier in the battle.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Superman is just that damn powerful that magic from a puny god doesn't affects him.

Originally posted by Star428
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You and I must've read different JLA/Avengers because I distinctly remember Superman putting Thor down. But hey, keep trying to convince yourself that Thor somehow looked better if it helps you sleep at night! 🙂

Superman won but had to have his magical weakness removed which means they perfectly realized his inferiority in that fight. Glad to see how you would feel in reversed scenario tho

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Originally posted by Bentley
If Thor tried to summon a godblast he'd have been koed earlier in the battle.

Well I'm not sure how much "summoning" he has to do. I mean there were instances when Superman was down, so he did have opportunity to unleash it. Would likely be a follow up to one of his other attacks. A lightning/Mjolnir strike.

But my point was I have no issue with Superman just barely winning, especially when Thor hasn't even used his most powerful blast. But to be fair, that is a killing blast against any HH. So it's pretty unlikely for him to use it.

^ The only retarded part of that fight Imho was Thor just tanking HV to his chest without even attempting to block it with Mjolnir. That is certainly not in character for him.

In fact he is capable at that point of absorbing the HV, and firing the same HV back at Supes combined with his own power. And that could easily be a turning point in the fight. Not that I'm saying that should have happened, because even though Thor has done that, it's not a very common thing for him to do. What is common though is for him to defend himself against such blasts with Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Bentley
If Thor tried to summon a godblast he'd have been koed earlier in the battle.

"If", "if", "if", "if".

"If" Superman had opened-up the battle with hundreds of super-speed planet-busting punches then Thor would've never got the chance to use it. We can play these "if" games all day. At the end of the day, all that matters is what actually happened. Superman won. Get over it.

Originally posted by Star428
"If", "if", "if", "if".

"If" Superman had opened-up the battle with hundreds of super-speed planet-busting punches then Thor would've never got the chance to use it. We can play these "if" games all day. At the end of the day, all that matters is what actually happened. Superman won. Get over it.

Reread my post 😕

Originally posted by Bentley
Reread my post 😕

Bentley, your love for Thor sickens me. I've reported you for daring to even hint that Superman would have been KOed...wait....

Hmmm.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not at all. Thor at his best is too much for Superman. When he goes all out he is a different animal entirely and too powerful for Superman to be able to deal with.

What does Thor beating Hulk have to do with this match? That's like bringing up Superman fights against Doomsday.

And if people are going to bring up 40+years, then actually in the classic days it was always about Thor without Mjolnir vs Hulk. With Mjolnir it was always a given Thor was superior.

It's only in the last couple of decades that's changed. But then Marvel has Hulk going toe to toe with all the Marvel Heralds (except Surfer). And he usually wins as well.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
1. I can't tell you how many countless times Thor throws Mjolnir as his opening move. And the way you say Thor brawls first and uses other abilities later is the exact same way Superman rarely Speed Blitz going for the kill first. If you want them BOTH to fight in character, then they're both getting hit.

If you want them both to fight smart, then they're both getting hit.

If you want Superman to fight smart from the onset, and Thor to fight in character, then Superman would have the huge advantage from the start. But that's just the way you want to picture it.

2. LOL You really need to brush up on Thor if you think he doesn't have a good history against Speed. So tell me exactly which High Herald Speedster does he not have a good history against in battle? Gladiator, Hyperion, Surfer?
Surfer even comments he can't outrun/outmaneuver Mjolnir. And that's in a comic written by Stan the man Lee himself. Thor was always intended to have the power set to be the top dog of Marvel comics. (Although nowadays him and Surfer are more on par).

3. You're clearly underestimating Thor's strength as much as you're underestimating his combat skills. This is the guy who stalemated Savage Hulk in strength for hours on end.

Ah yes, always the Count Nefaria example. The one every Superman fan jumps to. Well I can just as easily turn around and say Thor will give Superman the Hyperion treatment and shrink him. Or the Gladiator treatment and Blast past all his super speed. You'll have to do better than that pal.

1 Speed- How well did The Odinson perform against Gladiator under Simonson?

2. Strength- Give me 5 of Thor's best strength feats for comparative purposes.

3. Defense- Why would Superman with a DISTINCT speed advantage allow himself to be hit after an initial attack? This allows the benefit of the doubt to Thor on the first attack.