Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by carver9
What does Thor beating Hulk have to do with this match? That's like bringing up Superman fights against Doomsday.

1. It has to do with Quanchi logic.
2. It has to do that Thor going all out is a different animal whose's near unbeatable.
3. It has to do with going all out. Which heroes tend to do in Nation saving, World saving, Galaxy saving or Universe saving situations. Not in a run of the mill superhero fight.
4. Finally when SM went all out he defeated DD someone he couldn't defeat otherwise. Thor has yet to defeat Hulk even going all out. Which goes to my 1 & 2 point.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Superman is just that damn powerful that magic from a puny god doesn't affects him.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You are overstating the "Magical weakness" to a ridiculous extent.

Superman has defeated numerous magic based foes to prove this.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman at his best and Thor would be a statue to him. Coupled with a dose of freeze breath and Superman would get free hits in all day.
Finally, Thor is at a great disadvantage without Mjolnir. There are plenty of ways to cause this weakness in battle.

Originally posted by shadowknight
You must have a nice view out of that padded cell you live in. So Thor is goin to go all out Godblasting, Lighting Bolting, Shrinking and Teleporting yet SM will never go all out but sit in corner meditating on his navel. It just amazes me for all the 40+ yrs Thor been around he never seems to beat the Hulk despite Thors ability to go all out. ANd before people start using Thor's fight with Gladiator lets not forget he had help in those fight.

I never once claimed he god blasts or anything of that nature so before insulting please attempt to understand my arguments before making an ass out of yourself. Hulk doesn't have the magical weakness as well as has a healing factor coupled with dynamic strength. Superman has neither of those things going for him as well as the magical weakness.

Thor uses more force and crushes opponents who have ko'd him when he goes all out. Gladiator and Airwalker are too prime examples.

Game, set, match and all from my padded cell.

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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
3. You're clearly underestimating Thor's strength as much as you're underestimating his combat skills. This is the guy who stalemated Savage Hulk in strength for hours on end.

This needed special attention.

EVERY fight Thor has had against The Hulk (With the qualified exception of FEAR ITSELF) PROVES that Thor is an absolute brawler. Your own referencing to Thor's strength here proves that.

Why would a master strategist and warrior with several millenia's worth of fighting experience, test strength with Savage Hulk when they have Mjolnir?

GAME. SET. MATCH.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1 [B]Speed- How well did The Odinson perform against Gladiator under Simonson? [/B]

Which fight are you referring to?

The only time I remember Thor ever losing to Gladiator it was by Jurgens and Romita. The Glads from the future, who Thor was taken by surprise from. He cam back the next issue though and put him down.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
2. [B]Strength- Give me 5 of Thor's best strength feats for comparative purposes. [/B]

Oh jeez, it's not all about feats, there is powerscaling involved as well. For instance Captain Marvel doesn't have close to the strength feats Superman as, yet is always portrayed as his near equal in strength.

Anyway I will pull out Thor's strength feats later. But bare in mind he's not just striking with his fists, but with Mjolnir, a weapon physically as hard as adamantium but also magical by nature.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
3. [B]Defense- Why would Superman with a DISTINCT speed advantage allow himself to be hit after an initial attack? This allows the benefit of the doubt to Thor on the first attack. [/B]

He can't avoid Mjolnir. Even Surfer can't.

Plus with all the Wide Coverage or Omni-Directional Blasts, of course Superman will be getting hit.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
This needed special attention.

EVERY fight Thor has had against The Hulk (With the qualified exception of FEAR ITSELF) PROVES that Thor is an absolute brawler. Your own referencing to Thor's strength here proves that.

[B]Why would a master strategist and warrior with several millenia's worth of fighting experience, test strength with Savage Hulk when they have Mjolnir?

GAME. SET. MATCH. [/B]

This is a lame attempt at ending the argument. It was clearly referenced in the past he always wanted to pit his strength against Hulk's. That's called PIS. For Marvel to carry on the Thor/Hulk rivalry.

Did he never shoot Gladiator with Lightning, or Hurricanes? Did he never shrink Hyperion?

Did he just goe toe to toe with Thanos and Destroyer? Did he never unleash the power of 1000 worlds on them?

Don't be lame in your arguments.

LOL@ Superman not being able to avoid Thor's magic hammer. If Superman doesn't want to be hit then he won't be. Surfer really only has straight line superspeed while Superman has dodged things like Darkseid's Omega Effect. They also lock onto a character (like Mjolnir does) and follow them wherever they go and yet Superman has still outraced and outmanuevered it.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL@ Superman not being able to avoid Thor's magic hammer. If Superman doesn't want to be hit then he won't be. Surfer really only has straight line superspeed while Superman has dodged things like Darkseid's Omega Effect. They also lock onto a character (like Mjolnir does) and follow them wherever they go and yet Superman has still outraced and outmanuevered it.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL@ Superman not being able to avoid Thor's magic hammer. If Superman doesn't want to be hit then he won't be. Surfer really only has straight line superspeed while Superman has dodged things like Darkseid's Omega Effect. They also lock onto a character (like Mjolnir does) and follow them wherever they go and yet Superman has still outraced and outmanuevered it.

Wait, are you saying.....speed trumps all?

Look at this idiot here. Such a silly argument indeed.

Thor creates a force field around his body as soon as the match starts and engulfs the battle field in chaos king busting lightning along with planetary level tornadoes. He then proceeds at throwing Mjlonir while all of this is going on using it as a homing device to add more punishment to the battle. Powerset debating for the win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You really get too emotionally invested in these threads.

I never once claimed he god blasts or anything of that nature so before insulting please attempt to understand my arguments before making an ass out of yourself. Hulk doesn't have the magical weakness as well as has a healing factor coupled with dynamic strength. Superman has neither of those things going for him as well as the magical weakness.

Thor uses more force and crushes opponents who have ko'd him when he goes all out. Gladiator and Airwalker are too prime examples.

Game, set, match and all from my padded cell.

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As for magical weakness. Yes magic hurts him more than dropping a nuclear bomb but that far from an autowin. SM has healing factor along with a greater durabilty to piercing attacks and energy attacks than the Hulk.

Finally while SM doesn't have the Hulk dynamic STR, but when he let cuts loose his mental blocks his power lvl Skyrockets which for all intents and purpose increase his STR lvl and other powers to equal if not surpass what Hulk capable of with just his increase in STR.

Originally posted by shadowknight
Ok! So what does Thor going all out entails? Just hitting harder than before?

Srsly?

I think it's awesome that this thread is still going strong after ten years. Not that there's anything new to say really, but it's nice that people give a damn.

Originally posted by shadowknight
Ok! So what does Thor going all out entails? Just hitting harder than before?

As for magical weakness. Yes magic hurts him more than dropping a nuclear bomb but that far from an autowin. SM has healing factor along with a greater durabilty to piercing attacks and energy attacks than the Hulk.

Finally while SM doesn't have the Hulk dynamic STR, but when he let cuts loose his mental blocks his power lvl Skyrockets which for all intents and purpose increase his STR lvl and other powers to equal if not surpass what Hulk capable of with just his increase in STR.

Superman doesn't get stronger and his healing abilities are nowhere near as impressive as the Hulk's.

Superman can't even do so consciously so it isn't anything he can control at will like the other heroes. Hulk has dynamic strength and Superman doesn't. Period.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL@ Superman not being able to avoid Thor's magic hammer. If Superman doesn't want to be hit then he won't be. Surfer really only has straight line superspeed while Superman has dodged things like Darkseid's Omega Effect. They also lock onto a character (like Mjolnir does) and follow them wherever they go and yet Superman has still outraced and outmanuevered it.

No Surfer doesn't just have straight line speed feats. He maneuvers through asteroid fields and s*** for breakfast. And he's got the reaction/reflexes to match those speeds.

But actually in one of their fights Surfer does dodge one straight Mjolnir throw actually, but then Thor also dodges Surfer's simultaneous blast.

When Mjolnir locks on though, then Surfer isn't dodging it. Superman isn't dodging it either.

Superman can run if he likes. But it would seem like a pointless tactic, and unlikely in the middle of a battle. And I still don't think he could out fly Mjolnir when even Surfer can't.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor creates a force field around his body as soon as the match starts and engulfs the battle field in chaos king busting lightning along with planetary level tornadoes. He then proceeds at throwing Mjlonir while all of this is going on using it as a homing device to add more punishment to the battle. Powerset debating for the win.

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Yeah this would pretty much be the Thor equivalent of the typical Superman side of the argument.

Originally posted by carver9
Powerset debating for the win.

I love the twisting you have to use in order to make the "punch fast and hard" strategy that Superman has used countless time a "powerset debate".

If you cannot see the difference, your loss man 👇

Originally posted by Bentley
I love the twisting you have to use in order to make the "punch fast and hard" strategy that Superman has used countless time a "powerset debate".

If you cannot see the difference, your loss man 👇

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor has the reflexes and the hammer to neutralize Superman's speed advantage. Toss in magical weakness to be exploited by someone with a lot more fighting experience and that is a wrap. Thor wins.

I never implied that Thor was a sitting duck, just pointed out that Carver was spouting arguments that couldn't hold any ground because they were downright nonsensical.

If people don't like Superman superior stats, they shouldn't argue Superman.

Originally posted by Bentley
I never implied that Thor was a sitting duck, just pointed out that Carver was spouting arguments that couldn't hold any ground because they were downright nonsensical.

If people don't like Superman superior stats, they shouldn't argue Superman.