Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And did Superman dodge every hit and blast of Thor's in that crossover? Did Thor never throw Mjolnir or shoot lightning at Supes? Did Supes not admit he just barely beat Thor?

You can talk PIS all you want, but I'd shout more PIS on Thor's side, tanking Supes HV for no apparent reason (his whole history shows he would use Mjolnir to deflect or absorb it), and PIS at the fact that no mention at all was made of Superman being vulnerable to magical based attacks, and clearly no vulnerability shown to that effect.

As for your CIS argument here, you're making out Thor never shoots Lightning or throws Mjolnir at people anymore. Your on the verge of outright lying here:

Most recent fight against Surfer.

Because he just got into a punch up with Surfer right? Never threw Mjolnir or shot Lightning, and he never flew at Galactus at FTL speeds right?

So what happened? Was he not just going to brawl to enjoy the fight or to prove he's stronger than Surfer or Galactus? No, because when he's up against a serious alien threat he doesn't screw about.

^ Recent showing of Thor's powers. So stop acting like he doesn't use his powers anymore. He does to save the world, and he does in fights as well.

So saying Thor isn't going to throw Mjolnir or shoot wide spread of Lightning Blasts or use any of his other common powers, is no different to saying Superman isn't going to go all out with a speed blitz. He has a history of being hit by people slower than Thor and with no where near the exotic powers. So he's going to get hit by Thor too, and he'll get hit A Lot.

You're exaggerating to a ridiculous extent.

Thor WILL brawl first, the canon shows this overwhelmingly.

The disparity in speed and strength against Superman will result in him getting KO'd.

Strategist Thor lasts longer but again, the versatility lies with Mjolnir and Superman will knock the hammer away( Gladiator). Clark can keep him occupied long enough to make Mjolnir irrelevant.

Superman is not Hercules or Silver Surfer. In a forum match, Thor is outmatched to a significant degree.

The point is, Superman will not become this unhittable god just like Thor will not spam lightning Bolt tornadoes, soul suck, etc, just like Surfer will not create black holes in the brain, go intangible, energy drain from the onset, trap you in his board, create clones (the list goes on). We don't ignore what happens in comics. Thor is a brute, that use versatility sometimes, Superman gets koed in fights against opponents with speed but not comparable speed. It is what it is but we don't ignore it. Now take off CIS and then you'll have an argument.

Originally posted by carver9
The point is, Superman will not become this unhittable god just like Thor will not spam lightning Bolt tornadoes, soul suck, etc, just like Surfer will not create black holes in the brain, go intangible, energy drain from the onset, trap you in his board, create clones (the list goes on). We don't ignore what happens in comics. Thor is a brute, that use versatility sometimes, Superman gets koed in fights against opponents with speed but not comparable speed. It is what it is but we don't ignore it. Now take off CIS and then you'll have an argument.

I told you to get, Carver Prime, before you returned,

YOU are missing the point.

No matter what Thor you use, he loses.

The Odinson can't negate the abilities of Superman quick enough to win.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You're exaggerating to a ridiculous extent.

Exaggerating what?

Does Thor never shoot Lightning at his opponents anymore?

I've just shown you what he did to Surfer. How would it be any different against Superman? He also attacked Galactus in that same comic by Ramming at him FTL.

You're just Trolling now.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
[BThor WILL brawl first, the canon shows this overwhelmingly.[/B]

And Superman will not Speed Blitz Thor, especially not from the Onset. The Canon shows that Overwhelmingly.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The disparity in speed and strength against Superman will result in him getting KO'd.

About as much chance of that as Superman's Magic Vulnerability will result in Superman being KO'd. And the Godblast would outright Kill Supes. Now that's a Disparity right there.

And the strength difference isn't what you're making out. Especially not when we factor in the power of Mjolnir.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Strategist Thor lasts longer but again, the versatility lies with Mjolnir and Superman will knock the hammer away( Gladiator).

LOL

Then Thor will KO Superman with Living Lightning (also Gladiator).

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Clark can keep him occupied long enough to make Mjolnir irrelevant.

Based on what?

Stop talking non sense and provide evidence/scans.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman is not Hercules or Silver Surfer. In a forum match, Thor is outmatched to a significant degree.

You claiming Superman completely outmatches Surfer?

Lol most people would completely disagree with you.

I'd say more chance Superman is outmatched by magic and by the godblast.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I told you to get, Carver Prime, before you returned,

YOU are missing the point.

No matter what Thor you use, he loses.

The Odinson can't negate the abilities of Superman quick enough to win.

No it's you whose completely missing the point.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I told you to get, Carver Prime, before you returned,

YOU are missing the point.

No matter what Thor you use, he loses.

The Odinson can't negate the abilities of Superman quick enough to win.

🙁 i thought that was Carver Prime.

So you're saying Superman would take Thor out before he get the chance to do anything?

Originally posted by carver9
🙁 i thought that was Carver Prime.

So you're saying Superman would take Thor out before he get the chance to do anything?

Yes, don't you know that's in character for Superman to do that every time he fights. Whilst it's out of character for Thor to ever even fire a Lightning shot.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Exaggerating what?

Does Thor never shoot Lightning at his opponents anymore?

I've just shown you what he did to Surfer. How would it be any different against Superman? He also attacked Galactus in that same comic by Ramming at him FTL.

You're just Trolling now.

And Superman will not Speed Blitz Thor, especially not from the Onset. The Canon shows that Overwhelmingly.

About as much chance of that as Superman's Magic Vulnerability will result in Superman being KO'd. And the Godblast would outright Kill Supes. Now that's a Disparity right there.

And the strength difference isn't what you're making out. Especially not when we factor in the power of Mjolnir.

LOL

Then Thor will KO Superman with Living Lightning (also Gladiator).

Based on what?

Stop talking non sense and provide evidence/scans.

You claiming Superman completely outmatches Surfer?

Lol most people would completely disagree with you.

I'd say more chance Superman is outmatched by magic and by the godblast.

No it's you whose completely missing the point.

1) Gladiator under Simonson.

2) The Count Nefaria fight- Despite your dismissal it is a clear indicator of Thor's canon. He brawled, lost, and then used Mjolnir's versatility against the Count.

3) Surfer- Norrin's CIS is central to his fights, most notably against, Thor. If Surfer had Thor's warrior mentality or even a modest rise in aggression, his advantage would be there from the onset. Superman is aggressive enough that he doesn't falter where Norrin does.

4) Magic Vulnerability- Did Satannus destroy Superman? Did the Demon crush Superman? How many more examples do you need to show how flawed your appraisal of the "Magic weakness" is?

Originally posted by carver9
🙁 i thought that was Carver Prime.

So you're saying Superman would take Thor out before he get the chance to do anything?

In a forum fight, which this is, both characters are going all out from the beginning. Superman can operate at a much higher rate of speed, couple this with his strength and Thor gets dropped.

A comicbook scenario, the fight is prolonged but once each decides to raise the stakes, Superman gets there faster.

The Godblast is not a rapid attack by any means. What Clark will be doing while Thor charges Mjolnir with his essence is beyond me.

Energy drain is a rapid attack.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Energy drain is a rapid attack.

True.

A Superman punch, from Superman himself, is faster!

😎

Thor has a greater weakness against speed than Superman does against magic durw00t

Yeah, his so-called "magic weakness" gets blown out of proportion all the time by people who are desperately trying to come up with a good reason as to why a certain character would pwn Superman. It's actually more of a vulnerability than a weakness. It's not up there with kryptonite and red sun radiation as things that are specific Superman weaknesses despite what a lot of misinformed people wanna believe.

The reason so many people think it's a specific Superman weakness is because Superman is one of the most invulnerable characters in all of comics and very few things can actually hurt him. Magic is one of those things that can but only because it bypasses his protective bio-field. A regular knife or bullet wouldn't do jack to him but magical ones can kill him. Likewise normal lightning wouldn't even phase him but magic lightning like Captain Marvel's hurts him a lot. However, a magic bullet, lightning, or knife would seriously hurt almost any character. It wouldn't somehow hurt Superman more than any other character (like Hulk, for example) who doesn't have some kind of special magical resistance. Pretty sure that while normal lightning wouldn't do much to Hulk but make him madder a magical lightning bolt would hurt considerably more.

If magic was as big of a weakness to Superman as everyone makes it out to be then Clark would get weak anytime he was around anything magical (like Diana's lasso). Heck, both Diana and Captain Marvel are magic-based characters so he'd instantly get weak just being around them.

Again, Superman's "magic weakness" is exaggerated. It's not really a weakness at all but more of a vulnerability... I know a lot of trolls are gonna reply to this with their LOL's and 😆 🤣 but I don't really care. Everything I stated is true.

Not many posters claim Thor wins because of magic weakness tho.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
True.

A Superman punch, from Superman himself, is faster!

😎

Fortunately one single Superman punch won't take out Thor.

How about this then

Or he could just make those punches instead of pressure points.

I'm sensing a strange double standard here. In one thread you're claiming Superman's speed is enough to beat 4 Hulks, and in here it won't do much difference on 1 Thor?

Don't resist the call of the church of speed kills. biscuits

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1) Gladiator under Simonson.

What about it?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
2) The Count Nefaria fight- Despite your dismissal it is a clear indicator of Thor's canon. He brawled, lost, and then used Mjolnir's versatility against the Count.

Same happened with Superman vs Mongul. Mongul knocks the wind out of Superman first, knocks him down again when he comes back, and only later does Superman go for the full Blitz(including HV) to defeat him.

Double standards much?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
3) Surfer- Norrin's CIS is central to his fights, most notably against, Thor. If Surfer had Thor's warrior mentality or even a modest rise in aggression, his advantage would be there from the onset. Superman is aggressive enough that he doesn't falter where Norrin does.

LOL Nice attempt to change the canonicity of the issue.

Their first meeting it was made clear that Surfer's power set was no match for Thor's. It's more even now that Surfer has had an upgrade, but doesn't change that Classic Surfer was never a match for Thor. And it was nothing to do with CIS, it was simply just Marvel's power scale.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
4) Magic Vulnerability- Did Satannus destroy Superman? Did the Demon crush Superman? How many more examples do you need to show how flawed your appraisal of the "Magic weakness" is?

Captain Marvel KO'd him quickly with a surprise attack, DUE TO MAGIC. Superman himself admitted Captain Marvel has the edge against him toe to toe DUE TO MAGIC. Wonder Woman's weapons have been shown to be lethal to Superman DUE TO MAGIC.

Also to play your own stupid little game on you- Did Gladiator's speed destroy Thor? Did Surfer's speed destroy Thor? Did Hyperion's speed destroy Thor? Did Sentry's speed destroy Thor?

How many more examples do you need to show how flawed your appraisal of the "Speed weakness" is?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Or he could just make those punches instead of pressure points.

I'm sensing a strange double standard here. In one thread you're claiming Superman's speed is enough to beat 4 Hulks, and in here it won't do much difference on 1 Thor?

Won't do much difference against Thor? Where are you getting that shit?

I'm saying that Thor has an attack that's more or less instantaneous, energy absorption.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Won't do much difference against Thor? Where are you getting that shit?

I'm saying that Thor has an attack that's more or less instantaneous, energy absorption.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Ah. Gotcha.

Thor can also fly, at lightspeed...

And energy absorption/lightning/whirlwind-trap doesn't need to be aimed.

Thor can't swing at Superman, but he doesn't need to.

Whatever the **** the Hulk has to do with this thread, I don't know 🙂

Originally posted by Star428
Yeah, his so-called "magic weakness" gets blown out of proportion all the time by people who are desperately trying to come up with a good reason as to why a certain character would pwn Superman. It's actually more of a vulnerability than a weakness. It's not up there with kryptonite and red sun radiation as things that are specific Superman weaknesses despite what a lot of misinformed people wanna believe.

The reason so many people think it's a specific Superman weakness is because Superman is one of the most invulnerable characters in all of comics and very few things can actually hurt him. Magic is one of those things that can but only because it bypasses his protective bio-field. A regular knife or bullet wouldn't do jack to him but magical ones can kill him. Likewise normal lightning wouldn't even phase him but magic lightning like Captain Marvel's hurts him a lot. However, a magic bullet, lightning, or knife would seriously hurt almost any character. It wouldn't somehow hurt Superman more than any other character (like Hulk, for example) who doesn't have some kind of special magical resistance. Pretty sure that while normal lightning wouldn't do much to Hulk but make him madder a magical lightning bolt would hurt considerably more.

If magic was as big of a weakness to Superman as everyone makes it out to be then Clark would get weak anytime he was around anything magical (like Diana's lasso). Heck, both Diana and Captain Marvel are magic-based characters so he'd instantly get weak just being around them.

Again, Superman's "magic weakness" is exaggerated. It's not really a weakness at all but more of a vulnerability... I know a lot of trolls are gonna reply to this with their LOL's and 😆 🤣 but I don't really care. Everything I stated is true.

WTF was all this s***?!

I actually never used the term Magic WEAKNESS even once.

So you need to calm down and admit Superman can lose this fight.