Thor vs Superman

Superman may've stated that Captain Marvel has the edge against him but Superman has still won most of their fair fights. Sorry, but sucker punches don't count Darth and no it wasn't just because of magic that he was able to KO him but also because of the fact that CM is in the same league as Superman in strength and the fact that it was, in fact, a sucker punch. Diana is also a magic-based character. Do you seriously think she could KO Kal with a sucker punch? Actually, just check out "League of One" and you'll see the answer to that question.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
What about it?

Same happened with Superman vs Mongul. Mongul knocks the wind out of Superman first, knocks him down again when he comes back, and only later does Superman go for the full Blitz(including HV) to defeat him.

Double standards much?

LOL Nice attempt to change the canonicity of the issue.

Their first meeting it was made clear that Surfer's power set was no match for Thor's. It's more even now that Surfer has had an upgrade, but doesn't change that Classic Surfer was never a match for Thor. And it was nothing to do with CIS, it was simply just Marvel's power scale.

Captain Marvel KO'd him quickly with a surprise attack, DUE TO MAGIC. Superman himself admitted Captain Marvel has the edge against him toe to toe DUE TO MAGIC. Wonder Woman's weapons have been shown to be lethal to Superman DUE TO MAGIC.

Also to play your own stupid little game on you- Did Gladiator's speed destroy Thor? Did Surfer's speed destroy Thor? Did Hyperion's speed destroy Thor? Did Sentry's speed destroy Thor?

How many more examples do you need to show how flawed your appraisal of the "Speed weakness" is?

Under Simonson Thor had an amp and his speed couldn't match that of Gladiator.

Gladiator vs Thor- An inferior Superman analogue shows just how easy it would be for the real thing to beat him.

Silver Surfer vs Thor- A pacifist in Norrin holds back due to CIS.

Hyperion vs Thor- Lets see what the Odinson can do to Hickman's Hyperion who is the closest thing to a real Superman counterpart.

Captain Marvel is stronger and faster than Thor. There was also the element of surprise which Billy acknowleged himself.

When Superman seriously contests Diana, he dominates. The same would happen to Thor.

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This is one of the closest matchups in comics.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
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This is one of the closest matchups in comics.

I agree. I've already admitted that it's a close fight but then some moron had to go and make the comment about Thor looking better in JLA/Avengers, LOL.

Originally posted by Star428
Superman may've stated that Captain Marvel has the edge against him but Superman has still won most of their fair fights.

Well Cap was making Supes bleed in that fight, and Supes specifically noted that was Due to Magic.

Originally posted by Star428
Sorry, but sucker punches don't count Darth and no it wasn't just because of magic that he was able to KO him but also because of the fact that CM is in the same league as Superman in strength and the fact that it was, in fact, a sucker punch. Diana is also a magic-based character. Do you seriously think she could KO Kal with a sucker punch? Actually, just check out "League of One" and you'll see the answer to that question.

Exactly you get whose a peer to Superman anyway, and Magic CAN be the deciding factor there, depending on the writer. Because I'll admit Superman's vulnerability to magic has been portrayed inconsistently.

Originally posted by Star428
I agree. I've already admitted that it's a close fight but then some moron had to go and make the comment about Thor looking better in JLA/Avengers, LOL.

Yeah but knowing Thor lost that fight, that comment should have simply been ignored.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
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This is one of the closest matchups in comics.

To Darth, Carver and other critics of the speed advantage.

In a significant number of threads involving DC vs Marvel, posters have speed EQUALIZED for both characters.

Are these individuls delusional? Or do they recognize a blatantly obvious fact?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Under Simonson Thor had an amp and his speed couldn't match that of Gladiator.
Gladiator vs Thor- An inferior Superman analogue shows just how easy it would be for the real thing to beat him.

Oh now I know what you're talking about. I was under the impression you were talking about a Thor comic. You're talking about the FF comic right?

It was an alternate reality Glads. He "apparently" spent that whole fight in hyper speed. That's a heck of a lot better than most speedster heralds have ever displayed.

Btw I believe Simonson was of the belief that Thor would have the advantage over Superman due to magic.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn

Silver Surfer vs Thor- A pacifist in Norrin holds back due to CIS.

LOL No.. The funny thing is all you have to do is read the comic, and it was actually Thor who was holding back, and Surfer who was not only amped but attacking relentlessly believing Thor to be some big threat.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Hyperion vs Thor- Lets see what the Odinson can do to Hickman's Hyperion who is the closest thing to a real Superman counterpart.

Hopefully he won't get shrunk agian.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Captain Marvel is stronger and faster than Thor. There was also the element of surprise which Billy acknowleged himself.

Based on what is Captain Marvel stronger than Thor?

And if your answer is going to be based on his matches with Superman, then I'll just bring up people who Thor has fought/stalemated/defeated as well. So be careful.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
When Superman seriously contests Diana, he dominates. The same would happen to Thor.

Whatever.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
To Darth, Carver and other critics of the speed advantage.

In a significant number of threads involving DC vs Marvel, posters have speed EQUALIZED for both characters.

Are these individuls delusional? Or do they recognize a blatantly obvious fact?

Yeah and usually in those fights the stipulations are that Thor doesn't have Mjolnir, and can't use any exotic attacks.

So you do the math.

Neither me nor Carver said Thor is as fast as Superman so don't imply we did.

Originally posted by Badabing
About as close as let's say dials. One dial goes to 11, and one dial goes to 9. biscuits

Reported.

Darth, PLEASE show me the battles that prove Thor is stronger than Captain Marvel.

Marvel's battles with Superman is all the proof I need of his superiority over the Odinson.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Darth, PLEASE show me the battles that prove Thor is stronger than Captain Marvel.

Marvel's battles with Superman is all the proof I need of his superiority over the Odinson.

'No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).

This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases. Besides, there should be plenty of other comics with which to make your point.'

So yeah....

Shut the **** up about that crossover then? 😄

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah but knowing Thor lost that fight, that comment should have simply been ignored.

Yeah, maybe you're right.

Originally posted by krisblaze
'No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).

This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases. Besides, there should be plenty of other comics with which to make your point.'

So yeah....

Shut the **** up about that crossover then? 😄

Wether people agree with it or not, it was canon for a while. At least, in DC. Not sure about Marvel.

Originally posted by Star428
Wether people agree with it or not, it was canon for a while. At least, in DC. Not sure about Marvel.

According to the KMC rules, the crossover won't apply to any debates here.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Then you can go discuss it on CBR or Comicvine.

According to the KMC rules, the crossover won't apply to any debates here.

Understood...But, I never would've brought up JLA/Avengers if it wasn't for that moronic poster making that comment about Thor looking better than Superman in JLA/Avengers.

Originally posted by krisblaze
So yeah....

Shut the **** up about that crossover then? 😄

I NEVER mentioned the crossover.

Don't EVER address me, the RULER of The House of El, with profanity again!

Originally posted by Star428
Understood...But, I never would've brought up JLA/Avengers if it wasn't for that moronic poster making that comment about Thor looking better than Superman in JLA/Avengers.

It seems to pop up quite a lot though, for someone that's supposed to be null and void here 🙂

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Darth, PLEASE show me the battles that prove Thor is stronger than Captain Marvel.

Marvel's battles with Superman is all the proof I need of his superiority over the Odinson.

Comparing strength to other characters like you are with Cap Marvel:

Stalemating Savage Hulk in strength for hours on end is the best one.

Also stalemating Hercules in strength for a very long arm wrestle.

Masterson Thor stalemated Gladiator in strength, and Masterson Thor never focused Thor's powers as well as Thor himself could.

So considering most people do still see Superman being stronger than Cap Marvel, then yeah, I'd say Thor's in the same strength league as Cap Marvel for sure.

Originally posted by Badabing
About as close as let's say dials. One dial goes to 11, and one dial goes to 9. biscuits