Thor vs Superman

It's magical, and not just ordinary energy draining, with all the things that implies in comics. Just like how ordinary lightning is just lightning, but magical lightning will destroy a mountainrange.

So Superman obviously wasn't drained to the point of humanity/death, which is what Thor would do. Posting scans of people draining him but not to that point won't change that.

No I don't understand how it would work on Thor.

Thor only appears in one or two comics at any given time. Even Thor's solo series only ran 400-500 issues, with many parts of those being other Thors/him depowered and so on.

And for those who might not know Starbreaker's power is MAGIC AND SCIENCE BASED 🙂

And He is above herald

Originally posted by krisblaze
It's magical, and not just ordinary energy draining, with all the things that implies in comics. Just like how ordinary lightning is just lightning, but magical lightning will destroy a mountainrange.

Thor only appears in one or two comics at any given time. Even Thor's solo series only ran 400-500 issues, with many parts of those being other Thors/him depowered and so on.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even ordinary lightning from characters in comics have done that. Just look at superman's HV, it has done things like seal holes in reality. Does that means its magic? Just saying its "magic" has nothing of value whatsoever. And Superan has recovered from magical draining just fine.

You might not want to, but we differ between magic and science.

He didn't recover against Atlas.

And it's not about recovering, it's about the draining -working-. Which it does.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Starbreaker had obviously drained Superman of everything he could find. Starbreaker's draining is superior to Thor. He couldn't drain Superman completely.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bring Thor's mind to astral plane and beat his ass. It has even worked on robots.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's a rather lame excuse when you consider that Superman only developed T-vo after ten years of his publication and it was soon forgotten.

Superman has used T-Vo far less than Thor has used draining when you look at the % of times it has been used.

Originally posted by krisblaze
You might not want to, but we differ between magic and science.

Lame excuse?

Superman has used T-Vo far less than Thor has used draining when you look at the % of times it has been used.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who is "we"? Either provide a proof or "stick to your own hole" as you succinctly put.

Stick to your hole was about you not being willing to accept anything other than what you believe the writer's word is, and refusing to follow the forum rules when it comes to debating. At that point there's no reason for you to take part in these discussions, because you're not here to debate, you're here spam your opinion in the face of rules/opposing argument.

Odin separates science and magic, Marvel does.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They were messing with his powers which oneshotted a top tier in Supergirl. he still put up a heck of a fight against Atlas despite being constantly getting drained and not even knowing it.

And he got taken out, and his powers was drained, which was the point. He can be drained.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Superman resists it like he did against Sun Eater.

He at once devoured three suns. Match that.

Even Dominus couldn't and he was a multiversal telepath.

Not really.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Superman resists it like he did against Sun Eater.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He at once devoured three suns. Match that.

It's matched.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even Dominus couldn't and he was a multiversal telepath.

What resistance feats does Dominus have? None?

Thor resists it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.

If you want to count times something's been used then there's a bigger chance of Juggernaut using energy attacks than there is of say DCNU Zod using his heat vision...

Originally posted by krisblaze
Stick to your hole was about you not being willing to accept anything other than what you believe the writer's word is, and refusing to follow the forum rules when it comes to debating. At that point there's no reason for you to take part in these discussions, because you're not here to debate, you're here spam your opinion in the face of rules/opposing argument.

If you want to count times something's been used then there's a bigger chance of Juggernaut using energy attacks than there is of say DCNU Zod using his heat vision...

Originally posted by abhilegend
And that's where you're wrong.

So when you used an inadmissable writer post as an argument for why you felt the Surfer won, you were not putting the writer's post above poster argument? Or using writer's post as a part of an argument?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So a fat load of nothing.

You know...like DC.

There are some writers who feel the other way, but you can't just handwave magic into science and try to reduce Superman's well-stated weakness to Magic (or try to play up PZ's temporary buff as something permanent, as Superman fans always try to do).

I'm sure we can get a mod ruling on whether or not science is the same as magic. Would that suffice?

Originally posted by abhilegend
After a two issue long fight where he wasn't able to recharge at all. Thor is going to absorb all the sunlight in area to stop Superman from recharging too?

No, he'll absorb Superman's energy and knock him out.

Absorption works, knocking out works.

Originally posted by abhilegend
By draining? Enlighten me please.

Okay.

People have drained superman, and this has weakened him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Issue number please.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He filled Superman's mind with the infinite information of a multiverse.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15777252/ccf0528201200007.jpg.html

It's like saying Cobweb is a multiversal telepath because she links with alternate versions of herself..

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor put up a force field to separate the blast from regular space and he died in the very same blast. No absorbing there.

Right!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously? Superman overpowered God's will itself with T-vo.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=JLA207.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=godswillvstvo.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=godswillvstvo1.jpg

If that's not haxxx, I don't know what is.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Okay.

So when you used an inadmissable writer post as an argument for why you felt the Surfer won, you were not putting the writer's post above poster argument? Or using writer's post as a part of an argument?

That's not overpowering god. That's discovering another set of memories in his own mind...

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, I'm not.

That's not what I'm talking about. You claimed magical draining to be different than normal draining. Got a proof?

Superman doesn't has any type of bad record against "magical draining". If you have any example, please bring them up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, I'm not.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not what I'm talking about. You claimed magical draining to be different than normal draining. Got a proof?

Superman doesn't has any type of bad record against "magical draining". If you have any example, please bring them up.

No. What would suffice is proving magical draining is different than normal draining.

His draining would be more effective because it's magical.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not happening. Its not in Thor's character first as you yourself admitted and second, Superman has an exceptional record against draining.

And he has resisted them too.

Superman has been drained by people with feats that are less than Mjolnir's.

I agree that it's not in Thor's nature to drain first.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean Ultron whose circuitry were malfunctioning due to Wanda's hex and a rift allowed Thor to drain him? That's not applicable in any way.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean like Linear Men directly saying that he created entire new realities.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19094715/ManOfSteel83p01.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19094716/ManOfSteel83p02.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19094720/ManOfSteel83p03.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19094717/ManOfSteel83p04.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19094717/ManOfSteel83p04.jpg.html

Totally the same. He created a multiverse and its just linking to alternate versions!!!

Loki can reach any area in the universe with his telepath, but I don't refer to him as a 'universal level' telepath, because it implies abilities that are universal in scope and power.

"I can sense a web of possible timelines matthrew, past and future enmeshing him in a tangle of alternate realities. But I can't detect who or what is creating it."

Waverider destroys the prison.

"Probably the being that trapped Superman in that mental prison!"

"Mind symbols, subjective realities! what he's experiecing!"

This is not the creation of alternate realities...This is trapping/linking Superman's mind in/to a web of timelines. Or is waverider a multi-reality buster now?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Which were forgotten due to God's will as Zauriel says in the first scan. Did you even read it bro?

It was god's will that nobody should recognize Hal. These memories were apparently just added to their minds or something.

Superman used t-vo to discover another set of memories in his mind.

Resisting god's will? please.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
When Mjolnir drains all the energies present in Super Man, then Thor will know what powers him. Common Knowledge or not.

...and of course Superman will just stand around and let Thor drain him. 🙄

Originally posted by krisblaze
Mjolnir senses energy, but I don't think it'll sense a counter to those energies.

Thor could probably tell that Superman was powered by solar energy, but he wouldn't have any way of telling that he's weak to red sun energy.

Fair enough, in that case he can just teleport them both far away from any Sun.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You think mjolnir can absorb energy better than a sun eater who literally eats suns and Parallax was getting drained by him?

LOL Not only can Thor drain all the Solar energies out of Thor, but he can drain Superman's very own life Energies. Magic's a B****

Originally posted by abhilegend
And how many times has Thor used energy draining against an opponent? 4 or 5 times in last 50 years? Superman has used more speedblitz beatdowns than that in one year.

Yes Surprisingly it's not normal for Thor to drain the soul out of whoever he's fighting LOL.

Although if you add those times to the times he's drained some kind of radiation or power source then it's not that uncommon at all.

But let's just get Abhi's forum rules straight- If it's a little rare we use it, but if it's really rare we don't use it right?

Cool, because how many times as Superman blitz someone on Thor's level and KO'd them before they can even react? Not many at all I'd say.

Seriously stop the Bull, and either compare power sets and what both characters are capable of or compare how the 2 would normally fight in character. But don't just pick and choose which feats we use and which we don't to favor your preferred character.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Not that draining him is quite that useful, he would be back at full power in no time due to how fast he charges up.

Won't help when he's drained of his Life Energies. Even with the Solar energies, once Thor's realized what he's drained he can teleport them both far away from any Sun.

And then he can finish it with a Godblast.

Overkill, I know, but point is if Thor knows how powerful Superman is and if Thor's going for the kill, his Powerset just makes him too damn dangerous.

Originally posted by Star428
...and of course Superman will just stand around and let Thor drain him. 🙄

Superman won't even know whats going on if Thor creates some Magical Illusions.

Seriously if you want to compare Power Sets Thor's just got way too much going for him.

People are blind here. Let me give you guys some sense of reality. Thor won't be draining Superman or doing anything exotic because Superman isn't going to sit there and let him. Several seconds to Superman is like an eternity. He would literally see Thor is ultra slow motion. This would be an easy fight for Superman, even if Thor is fighting with CIS off.
Speed prevents any real exotic things from ever happening.

Now don't mistake blitzing with fighting with speed and reflexes. Superman can take his slow time (cause Thor is a statue) and hit him once at a time, avoid any attacks, make Thor hit himself with Mjolnir, prevent Thor from ever gaining Mjolnir back after Thor drops it or throws it, etc.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Fair enough, in that case he can just teleport them both far away from any Sun.

LOL Not only can Thor drain all the Solar energies out of Thor, but he can drain Superman's very own life Energies. Magic's a B****

Yes Surprisingly it's not normal for Thor to drain the soul out of whoever he's fighting LOL.

Although if you add those times to the times he's drained some kind of radiation or power source then it's not that uncommon at all.

But let's just get Abhi's forum rules straight- If it's a little rare we use it, but if it's really rare we don't use it right?

Cool, because how many times as Superman blitz someone on Thor's level and KO'd them before they can even react? Not many at all I'd say.

Seriously stop the Bull, and either compare power sets and what both characters are capable of or compare how the 2 would normally fight in character. But don't just pick and choose which feats we use and which we don't to favor your preferred character.

Won't help when he's drained of his Life Energies. Even with the Solar energies, once Thor's realized what he's drained he can teleport them both far away from any Sun.

And then he can finish it with a Godblast.

Overkill, I know, but point is if Thor knows how powerful Superman is and if Thor's going for the kill, his Powerset just makes him too damn dangerous.

Superman won't even know whats going on if Thor creates some Magical Illusions.

Seriously if you want to compare Power Sets Thor's just got way too much going for him.

Thor is more versatile than Superman, they are pretty much even in the physicality department some people give Superman the edge in strength or Thor, but they are so close it's a wash, durability the same. It comes down to other abilities and powers and Thor smoke Superman, lets be real if Thor uses all of his abilities Superman would get dominated, as where Superman should be dominated by Darkseid but writers tend to water down Darkseid to make Superman look good.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Thor is more versatile than Superman, they are pretty much even in the physicality department some people give Superman the edge in strength or Thor, but they are so close it's a wash, durability the same. It comes down to other abilities and powers and Thor smoke Superman, lets be real if Thor uses all of his abilities Superman would get dominated, as where Superman should be dominated by Darkseid but writers tend to water down Darkseid to make Superman look good.

BS. Keep drinking the Kool-aid, dude. If both characters are fighting in a CIS-less no holds barred fight then Superman crushes him with his super-speed planet busting punches. Deal with it. Thor wouldn't get a chance to use any of his special powers.

Thor actually has a better chance of winning if both characters are fighting with CIS on.

CIS on: Superman 6-7/10.

CIS off: Superman 9-10/10.

Originally posted by LANSHARK
Thor and Superman are about even in strength. Depending on writers of course. Thor is a superior fighter and should be able to win the majority of fights vs. Superman.

Wrong.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Thor is more versatile than Superman, they are pretty much even in the physicality department some people give Superman the edge in strength or Thor, but they are so close it's a wash, durability the same. It comes down to other abilities and powers and Thor smoke Superman, lets be real if Thor uses all of his abilities Superman would get dominated, as where Superman should be dominated by Darkseid but writers tend to water down Darkseid to make Superman look good.

Originally posted by Star428
BS. Keep drinking the Kool-aid, dude. If both characters are fighting in a CIS-less no holds barred fight then Superman crushes him with his super-speed planet busting punches. Deal with it. Thor wouldn't get a chance to use any of his special powers.

Thor actually has a better chance of winning if both characters are fighting with CIS on.

CIS on: Superman 6-7/10.

CIS off: Superman 9-10/10.

Total Bull S***.

Cis Off Superman wouldn't stand a chance.

Speed ain't gonna do Shit to a guy who throws Mjolnir at multiple times the speed of light tracking his opponents , creates magical illusions , and Has Powerful Omni Directional Blasts.

And his punches aren't going to be anywhere near "planet busting" when Thor drains him of all his solar and life energies and teleports him far away from any Star/Sun.

It's Superman who requires CIS Off and keep the fight toe to toe for him to hold the advantage. Even then Thor wouldn't go down easy.

But without CIS Thor is just on a different playing field altogether.

And FYI Thor also has planet shattering punches.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Total Bull S***.

Cis Off Superman wouldn't stand a chance.

Speed ain't gonna do Shit to a guy who throws Mjolnir at multiple times the speed of light tracking his opponents , creates magical illusions , and Has Powerful Omni Directional Blasts.

And his punches aren't going to be anywhere near "planet busting" when Thor drains him of all his solar and life energies and teleports him far away from any Star/Sun.

It's Superman who requires CIS Off and keep the fight toe to toe for him to hold the advantage. Even then Thor wouldn't go down easy.

But without CIS Thor is just on a different playing field altogether.

And FYI Thor also has planet shattering punches.

Thor either won't get a chance to whirl Mjolnir faster than light in order to for it to leave his hand at that speed or Superman would simply grab Thor like a rag doll and cause him to hit is own hammer. "Batters UP", Superman would say before hitting Mjolnir away with Thor as the bat.

Thor can't create illusions faster than a second. Superman can do billions of things to Thor within that second.

Superman can pop Thor before he does an omnidirectional blast. Thor's omnidirectional blast hasn't been proven of even being able to bother someone on Superman's level. Omnidirectional blasts are weaker than regular concentrated blasts. Superman can go intangible at any time avoiding an omnidirectional blast anyway.

Superman would hit Thor with a planet destroying punch before Thor moves an inch to attempt to drain him. Or Superman can avoid the blast that drains him. Also, even if Superman allows Thor to start draining, then the entire process would take at least several seconds. The first microsecond wouldn't do anything. Superman would basically still hit with the same force.

Superman can freeze Thor anytime he wants. Then proceed to get free hits.

Basically at full capacity, Thor would be a statue as Superman can talk, think, and move good distances withing a single nanosecond. Your logic only works if they are at similar speed or Superman sits there and allows Thor to do things.