Thor vs Superman

^ And in fact Thor did unleash a thousand thousand hurricanes on Gladiator when Gladiator tried to use freeze breath on him. Same thing would happen against Supes if he was stupid enough to try freeze breath on the god of thunder Lol.

Originally posted by h1a8

I just did

No you didn't. You've just given your fantasy scenario with zero examples from comic book fights.

CISless Thor is on another level to CISless Superman. At least as far as comic book fights go. As in combat feats displayed in comic books.

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't work like that though. Example...during his meeting with Flash at the diner, he had to speed up his senses when Flash started moving in super speed. It's not like he walks around seeing the world in slow motion. It's an active ability. Seems like he has to activate/use it.

And in a forum, planning before the bell is allowed. Superman may allow a character to hit them and operate to see their power level but when Superman decides to shut it down then things will be halted.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ And in fact Thor did unleash a thousand thousand hurricanes on Gladiator when Gladiator tried to use freeze breath on him. Same thing would happen against Supes if he was stupid enough to try freeze breath on the god of thunder Lol.

No you didn't. You've just given your fantasy scenario with zero examples from comic book fights.

CISless Thor is on another level to CISless Superman. At least as far as comic book fights go. As in combat speeds displayed in comic books.

Superman operated casually within a nanosecond in comics, he's smart enough to know Thor's power lies in Mjolnir (basic knowledge). Superman is capable of multiple things at the same time at super speed. All of this occurred in comics.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman operated casually within a nanosecond in comics, he's smart enough to know Thor's power lies in Mjolnir (basic knowledge). Superman is capable of multiple things at the same time at super speed. All of this occurred in comics.

Scans.

Originally posted by h1a8
he doesn't have to activate it, he has to ramp it up to higher levels. His default senses are far faster than bullet speed though. There are showings where Superman reacted to things while not paying attention at first and talking to others (like a gun shot from miles away).

And in a forum, planning before the bell is allowed. Superman may allow a character to hit them and operate to see their power level but when Superman decides to shut it down then things will be halted.

It isn't always active is what I am trying to tell you. He even states after speeding up his senses, "is this how Flash sees the world? In slow motion"? Obvious what he is implying here.

Originally posted by carver9
Same Argument can be used against Superman though. Why didn't he use this speed you are talking about against Titus? Why didn't he use it against Grundy, Konvikt, Despero?

Grundy has usually displayed superspeed in most incarnations.

Despero in most of his DEPICTIONS is as fast as anyone on the JLA/JSA.

Konvikt was PIS.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
CISless Thor is on another level to CISless Superman. At least as far as comic book fights go. As in combat feats displayed in comic books.

CIS Thor is still not superior to Superman.

95% of Thor's offensive and defensive capabilities come from Mjolnir. In the past it has clearly been demonstrated that speed can separate Thor from Mjolnir for an extended period of time.

CIS Superman STILL has superspeed. CISless Superman STILL has superspeed.

The Man of Steel is a bad matchup for the God of Thunder.

Okay, I've had about enough of people ignoring rules and lowballing. This comes from both side too. Due to the lack of active mods, and my clients sending me a lot of work, I've had to divert attention away from the CBvF to mod other forums. And Pr has been busy with rl stuff.

Lucky for everybody that I will be giving the CBvF my full attention very soon. Let me be clear, when Pr and I have a chance to chat about who's doing what here I will be issuing bans on his recommendations and my own data.

I'm about done with the petty bickering, stupid "logic", lowballing, trolling and flaming. So when mass bans start happening you all need to accept it like adults. A ban doesn't mean I hate anybody, or am just out to get people. It means that a certain few people have been causing the majority of problems.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Grundy has usually displayed superspeed in most incarnations.

Despero in most of his DEPICTIONS is as fast as anyone on the JLA/JSA.

Konvikt was PIS.

So he beats Thor 10/10? I understand you giving him the majority, don't have a problem with that but when things are being mentioned about Thor not being bale to react to Superman, that's where the confusion begins.

Originally posted by carver9
Scans.

This happened within a nanosecond of time
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11113/111130781/3786699-1306482942-36865.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
It isn't always active is what I am trying to tell you. He even states after speeding up his senses, "is this how Flash sees the world? In slow motion"? Obvious what he is implying here.

You mean it isn't always active to Flash's level. Maybe or maybe not. But at minimum it is far faster than bullet speed.
Now Superman can turn them up to flash like levels the moment the bell rings.

Either can beat the other, Thor can just win more than Clark can. 6/10 or so.

Originally posted by h1a8
picosecond observations (look inside Superman's eye to see him counting by the picoseconds)
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3783237

This happened within a nanosecond of time
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11113/111130781/3786699-1306482942-36865.jpg

You mean it isn't always active to Flash's level. Maybe or maybe not. But at minimum it is far faster than bullet speed.
Now Superman can turn them up to flash like levels the moment the bell rings.

Can someone give the issue number for the second scan please? I don't know what the first scan is H1 just posted. Don't care tbh but I would love the issue number for the second scan though.

Originally posted by carver9
Can someone give the issue number for the second scan please? I don't know what the first scan is H1 just posted. Don't care tbh but I would love the issue number for the second scan though.

Action Comics Weekly 642.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman operated casually within a nanosecond in comics, he's smart enough to know Thor's power lies in Mjolnir (basic knowledge). Superman is capable of multiple things at the same time at super speed. All of this occurred in comics.

Except Thor's power doesn't lie in Mjolnir. He can summon all the Tornadoes and Magical Lightning he wants without Mjolnir.

Mjolnir is a useful tool for him utilize his powers. Plus it travels much faster than Thor does. And doesn't hurt that it's a magical and invulnerable weapon.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
CIS Thor is still not superior to Superman.

95% of Thor's offensive and defensive capabilities come from Mjolnir. In the past it has clearly been demonstrated that speed can separate Thor from Mjolnir for an extended period of time.

CIS Superman STILL has superspeed. CISless Superman STILL has superspeed.

The Man of Steel is a bad matchup for the God of Thunder.

Which is why I already gave Superman the small majority with CIS On.

It's with CIS Off that Thor suddenly becomes the more dangerous opponent. Because CIS On or Off Superman will use superspeed like you said. But with CIS Off Thor suddenly comes out with all these other crazy powers he's used over the decades.

And I wish people would stop acting like Thor is just some normal person in terms of speed. He's not. His reactions, speed perceptions, and reflexes are far far far crazy multiples above human. In the microseconds at the very least. And Mjolnir gives him the movement speed to match. Add that to Omni directional Blasts, and yeah Supes is getting hit.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Action Comics Weekly 642.

Thanks bud...about to read through it in a few.

Originally posted by carver9
So he beats Thor 10/10? I understand you giving him the majority, don't have a problem with that but when things are being mentioned about Thor not being bale to react to Superman, that's where the confusion begins.

I just look at Thor's fights with comprable foes and he barely wins. Superman is much more powerful and effecient than both Gladiator and Count Nefaria.

When both raise the stakes during battle, Clark can reach his peak faster!

Originally posted by Damborgson
Either can beat the other, Thor can just win more than Clark can. 6/10 or so.

LIES!

There are only 5 of your Thor Corps left!

After the Thanosi are dealt with, there WILL be a reckoning!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I just look at Thor's fights with comprable foes and he barely wins. Superman is much more powerful and effecient than both Gladiator and Count Nefaria.

When both raise the stakes during battle, Clark can reach his peak faster!

LIES!

There are only 5 of your Thor Corps left!

After the Thanosi are dealt with, there WILL be a reckoning!

Which comparable foes? It's debatable if Superman is far above Glads as you think, if at all. Lol...Count during the time Thor fought him was beastly. Thor wins against high tier beings looks more impressive imo. Don't know where you are getting this from. This fight is debatable and anyone giving Thor the majority is just as right as someone giving Supes the majority. This fight is just that close.

Originally posted by carver9
Which comparable foes? It's debatable if Superman is far above Glads as you think, if at all. Lol...Count during the time Thor fought him was beastly. Thor wins against high tier beings looks more impressive imo. Don't know where you are getting this from. This fight is debatable and anyone giving Thor the majority is just as right as someone giving Supes the majority. This fight is just that close.

Superman is a TIER above Kallark.

Classic Nefaria is closer to Superman in power.

Let me see what The Odinson can do against Hyperion NOW or Sungod and then we'll talk.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman is a TIER above Kallark.

Classic Nefaria is closer to Superman in power.

Let me see what The Odinson can do against Hyperion NOW or Sungod and then we'll talk.

Hyperion and Sun God isn't Superman though and Gladiator is high Herald.