Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by Badabing
Okay, I've had about enough of people ignoring rules and lowballing. This comes from both side too. Due to the lack of active mods, and my clients sending me a lot of work, I've had to divert attention away from the CBvF to mod other forums. And Pr has been busy with rl stuff.

Lucky for everybody that I will be giving the CBvF my full attention very soon. Let me be clear, when Pr and I have a chance to chat about who's doing what here I will be issuing bans on his recommendations and my own data.

Translation.

THE PURGE HAS COME TO THE COMICBOOK VERSUS FORUM!!!

Now, which Clan should the House of El destroy in this power vacuum?
mmm

Originally posted by krisblaze
Okay. Then we're good.

Superman used t-vo to discover another set of memories in his mind.

Resisting god's will? please.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
LOL Not only can Thor drain all the Solar energies out of Thor, but he can drain Superman's very own life Energies. Magic's a B****

Seriously if you want to compare Power Sets Thor's just got way too much going for him.

Someone mentioned earlier that both sides had been making up attacks.

I feel that this isn't the case at all.

It's much more a matter of Superman's side exagerrating his ability to resist drain/the power of his speedblitz, and Thor's side exagerrating the likelihood of him draining/actually pulling off a godblast.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Someone mentioned earlier that both sides had been making up attacks.

I feel that this isn't the case at all.

It's much more a matter of Superman's side exagerrating his ability to resist drain/the power of his speedblitz, and Thor's side exagerrating the likelihood of him draining/actually pulling off a godblast.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Except Thor's power doesn't lie in Mjolnir. He can summon all the Tornadoes and Magical Lightning he wants without Mjolnir.

Mjolnir is a useful tool for him utilize his powers. Plus it travels much faster than Thor does. And doesn't hurt that it's a magical and invulnerable weapon.

Just so you know about Thor like I do, Thor needs at least a split second or more to summon tornadoes, storms, etc.
And shit like that isn't anything to a being that can escape a the event horizon of a double black hole and fly through stars like it's nothing. Stars have pressures and winds astronomically more than 1000 storms.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I just look at Thor's fights with comprable foes and he barely wins.

Superman is much more powerful and effecient than both Gladiator and Count Nefaria.

When both raise the stakes during battle, Clark can reach his peak faster!

Lame reasoning.

Besides Thor's not gone all out on either of those foes and still beaten them.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not what I asked. Can Thor drain energy better than a sun eater? Yes or No.

Nice attempt at trolling me.

But yes he can drain Superman better for 2 reasons:

1. Thor's not limited to draining Superman's Solar energies. He can also drain his Life Energies.
2. Thor can then teleport the fight far away from any Sun, making it impossible for Superman to recharge. Heck if he knows about the Red Sun thing he can take the fight to a Red Sun and that's fight over.

So yes, Thor's drain can be much more deadly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lobo, Ultraman, Cyborg Superman, Sinestro, Captain Marvel etc. Would you like the list? Or is that suffice?

So these guys have all been blitzed without even getting one hit in, and without even being able to react?

Cool show me the scans. And show the whole fight. Don't troll me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm comparing how they fight. I never said Superman would speedblitz from the start.

Yes Superman's as likely to go full blitz from the get go, as Thor is of starting out with a godblast.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, and Superman would be just standing still. Even a severely drained Superman can move in nanoseconds. Just as soon as he would feel the draining, he would beat the shit out of Thor at superspeed.

Oh please. As soon as any draining begins, the fight will move towards Thor's favor. They are already peers without draining.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman doesn't need to go fancy. One hit like this and Thor is dead.

His strength and speed combo is too dangerous for any character.

Cool. Now you want me to show you Thor putting Surtur or the Phoenix Force down?

A fully powered Mjolnir strike is also too dangerous for any character.

But if you want to talk full versatility, the magical nature of Thor's powers and the kind of matter/energy manipulation stuff it's shown over the years like Drainage, would certainly put the fight in Thor's favor.

But I'll be honest I don't see any of that happening in a typical comic book fight.

Just pointing out how deadly Thor's power set is, since people here like arguing CIS Off for Superman even when the OP doesn't say anything about CIS Off.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Too many things isn't doing jack if Thor doesn't has time to do anything. Superman races Flashes for fun. Thor is like a molasses against him in speed.

All Thor needs to do is react, then he'll let his Omni-Blasts and Mjolnir do the talking.

And if you want to talk full power set CIS Off, then again Thor can do crazy sh** like Magical Illusions, so Superman will be speed blitzing in the wrong area, and won't know where to hit, until it's too late.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nice attempt at trolling me.

But yes he can drain Superman better for 2 reasons:

1. Thor's not limited to draining Superman's Solar energies. He can also drain his Life Energies.

And if you want to talk full power set CIS Off, then again Thor can do crazy sh** like Magical Illusions, so Superman will be speed blitzing in the wrong area, and won't know where to hit, until it's too late.

Also, what happened in those scans of Superman blitzing Lobo were from many years back (before DoS, I believe) when Clark wasn't near as powerful as he is now. He's gotten several upgrades since then so he's even faster now... and Lobo is supposed to have reflexes on par with characters like WW and yet he still got beat down. Thor's combat speed is nothing to brag about. If Superman can do what he did to any of those characters in those scans abhilegend posted then I don't see why he'd have any problems whatsoever doing it to Thor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So can Sun Eater. And he failed to do it to Superman while expert energy manipulators like Alan Scott, Ray and Kyle Rayner failed. That was just after Superman contributed in creating a new sun.
Superman can fly faster than that to move towards the sun. And in space he recharges from the ambient radiation of cosmos. So, no.

To someone like Superman, not really.

Why you comparing energy manipulators to a magical weapon that can not only drain solar energy but also life energy itself?

The magical aspect is especially dangerous here to Superman, and the 2 types of drain are as well.

There will be no recharging if Thor zaps the fight to an arena with no Sun.

And God help Superman if he zaps them to a Red Sun arena.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

Lobo.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/AdventuresOfAnnual04a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/AdventuresOfAnnual04b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/AdventuresOfAnnual04c.jpg

Cyborg Superman.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/ManOfSteel052i.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/ManOfSteel052j.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/ManOfSteel052k.jpg

Ultraman+Superwoman.

Then there is the famous blitz of Elite.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/ActionComics775e.jpg

Captain Marvel.

Sinestro.

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20SINESTRO/12_Silver_Age_80pg_Giant_01pdf-003.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20SINESTRO/12_Silver_Age_80pg_Giant_01pdf-004.jpg.html

There are more but that should be suffice.

Ok, I'll admit those are some nice blitzing feats.

Couple of things though, doesn't look like you've shown the Cyborg and Ultraman fights from the very beginnning.

Sinestro and Cap Marvel look sucker punched.

And Lobo does not have speed beyond Thor's and also lacks the exotic powers to boot. Gardner right after used his exotic powers to land a hit on Superman. He just wasn't powerful enough to hold him.

But still, I'll admit, nice blitzing feats there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. Superman has blitzed his peers several times. Thor has never godblasted a peer save Juggernaut and that was a last resort. You are equating one of Superman's primary offenses to Thor's ultimate weapon. Shame on you as a Thor fan.

What?

You even told us about 1 peer he's used it on, if he thinks they are just too invulnerable he will go there. Also if he thinks his opponent is more powerful than himself under regular powers (like your claiming) he will certainly go there, like he has done against Surtur and Galactus.

Against someone as poweful as Thanos, he didn't use the godblast itself, although he did unleash the power of a thousand worlds + Thano's own beams added to a Powerful Anti-Force Blast to defeat him there. And he's done the same thing to The Destroyer.

So don't pretend he won't go there if he sees his opponent as beyond his regular power set.

Of course he would obviously only do it if he was willing to go for the kill, whereas Superman can speed blitz if he's going for the kill or just a simple KO. Though for a simple KO Thor could resort to the Anti-Force Blast, packed with the power of a thousand worlds instead of the godblast.

And while it's common for Superman to use his speed, it's certainly not common for him to go completely all out with his speed like that. So the principal is the same.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, Superman is vastly stronger, faster and more durable. But Thor never drains as it is.

Never. Really? :

Originally posted by ODG

He's even overcome and stripped Magneto's magnetic shields from him in Journey Into Mystery #109:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir34-Magnetism.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Did they just no sold an attack from an omnipotent being like the Source/ALE entity? Hurting and splitting them in half are two vastly different thing.

With PF and Surtur we are talking about Galaxy destroying beings here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh, it is. Superman's punches are more dangerous.

Debateable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman's speed is too much for Thor to handle. Just a few of planet busting punches and Thor would be out.

You do realize Thor has taken plenty of planet busting punches from beings just as strong (or almost as strong) as Superman right? Hulk, Hercules, Gladiator... Heck there's Thanos and The Destroyer! Have you just completely forgotten them And those aren't even the high level Skyfather beings he's taken hits from.

Originally posted by abhilegend
See my sig for what happens in a comic. Thor eats dirt.

Funny, because I don't remember Superman blitzing Thor in that comic. Or Thor not being able to land hits in that comic.

In fact I do remember Superman admitting more than once that he "just barely" defeated Thor.

So as far as a CIS On comic book fight goes, I'm totally fine with that result, as I've admitted several times now Superman would have the advantage in that kind of typical toe to toe scenario.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A CIS free Superman vibrates Thor's heart out of his body in the first nanosecond.

And Superman goes intangible and rips Thor's heart out.

Scans. And I want the nanosecond quantified in the scan.

Because end of the day everything I've claimed about a CIS Off Thor whether it be the power of a thousand worlds or a god blast or magical illusions- it's all things he's actually done.

And FYI he's also able to hit intangible beings, and has recovered quickly from having his molecules mixed into the ground.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has senses like you wouldn't believe. Not that Thor will be anything but a statue for him. Superman is a scary being with PIS or CIS off.

Yeah like when he knew exactly what was going on when he saw Wonder Woman as Doomsday right?

And guess what, these are MAGICAL Illusions. He ain't seeing through them when he's fallen for less.

LOL No Thor won't be a staute to him, he actually moves at the same sorts of speed (with Mjolnir at least), and his Omni-Blasts are not going to look like statues either.

And honestly, CisLess Thor is absolutely crazy. He could shrink Superman into a tiny man the way he did Hyperion. He could zap Superman to any dimension or anywhere in the Universe he wants. He can drain all his Solar and Life Energies. He can give him blasts that have put down PF and Sutur. He can confuse the hell out of him with Magical Illusions. Moving FTL with Mjolnir, Indestructible Shields/Vortexes. The list just goes on and on and on.

Under normal circumstances they are Peers with maybe the edge to Superman. Superman's stronger and significantly faster. Whilst Thor has more versatility and the more potent energy attacks (as well as defenses). But I think what really puts Thor's "Power Set" above Superman's is the Magical and Aborption abilities.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lame reasoning.

Besides Thor's not gone all out on either of those foes and still beaten them.

So citing actual canon with foes that are similar to Superman is "Lame".

Ridiculous!

Thor had to go all out against Wonder Man and barely won.

Please tell me when Thor defeated Classic Nefaria singlehandedly.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Why you comparing energy manipulators to a magical weapon that can not only drain solar energy but also life energy itself?

"For a fraction of a nanosecond frozen between eternities of past and future." Superman had no problem moving in a time freeze [b]inside a nanosecond. There are six more instances of him operating in a nanosecond. I can post them if you want. And he has gone intangible against Doomsday and Mongul. Add them and its over for Thor.

Because end of the day everything I've claimed about a CIS Off Thor whether it be the power of a thousand worlds or a god blast or magical illusions- it's all things he's actually done.

And FYI he's also able to hit intangible beings, and has recovered quickly from having his molecules mixed into the ground.

Yeah like when he knew exactly what was going on when he saw Wonder Woman as Doomsday right?

And guess what, these are MAGICAL Illusions. He ain't seeing through them when he's fallen for less.

LOL No Thor won't be a staute to him, he actually moves at the same sorts of speed (with Mjolnir at least), and his Omni-Blasts are not going to look like statues either.

Bwahahahahahahahaha.

And honestly, CisLess Thor is absolutely crazy. He could shrink Superman into a tiny man the way he did Hyperion. He could zap Superman to any dimension or anywhere in the Universe he wants. He can drain all his Solar and Life Energies. He can give him blasts that have put down PF and Sutur. He can confuse the hell out of him with Magical Illusions. Moving FTL with Mjolnir, Indestructible Shields/Vortexes. The list just goes on and on and on.

Under normal circumstances they are Peers with maybe the edge to Superman. Superman's stronger and significantly faster. Whilst Thor has more versatility and the more potent energy attacks (as well as defenses). But I think what really puts Thor's "Power Set" above Superman's is the Magical and Aborption abilities. [/B]

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
So citing actual canon with foes that are similar to Superman is "Lame".

Yes very lame. Especially when your citing "the difficulty" he had defeating them as your argument.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Thor had to go all out against Wonder Man and barely won.

I assume your talking about Masterson Thor.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Please tell me when Thor defeated Classic Nefaria singlehandedly.

Just because Thor defeated him with aid, doesn't mean Thor unleashing his full power couldn't have defeated him by himself.

That sort of thing has happened numerous times, where Thor and the Avengers fail to take a foe, then Thor defeats them by himself e.g. The Destroyer.

LOL@ Thor having haster combat speed than Lobo. Thor fans must really be getting desperate to say something like that. Lobo nearly killed pre-DoS Superman in their very first encounter with his superspeed attacks because Superman had never faced him before and underestimated him. Of course, Superman has utterly dominated him in all their fights since then.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes very lame. Especially when your citing "the difficulty" he had defeating them as your argument.

I assume your talking about Masterson Thor.

Just because Thor defeated him with aid, doesn't mean Thor unleashing his full power couldn't have defeated him by himself.

That sort of thing has happened numerous times, where Thor and the Avengers fail to take a foe, then Thor defeats them by himself e.g. The Destroyer.

The Odinson has difficulty with inferior Superman analogues and that is irrelevant to you.

To Nefaria, The Count nearly murdered the Avengers under Shooter.

What was Thor waiting for to unleash "His full power"? The Last Rites?

^On the Count.

He was trying to murder the Avengers, they were not trying to murder him.

Dear lord even if thor had microsecond reaction time compared to nanosecond reaction time there is a relative perception time gap of 15 minutes

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Why you comparing energy manipulators to a magical weapon that can not only drain solar energy but also life energy itself?

The magical aspect is especially dangerous here to Superman, and the 2 types of drain are as well.

There will be no recharging if Thor zaps the fight to an arena with no Sun.

And God help Superman if he zaps them to a Red Sun arena.

Ok, I'll admit those are some nice blitzing feats.

Couple of things though, doesn't look like you've shown the Cyborg and Ultraman fights from the very beginnning.

Sinestro and Cap Marvel look sucker punched.

And Lobo does not have speed beyond Thor's and also lacks the exotic powers to boot. Gardner right after used his exotic powers to land a hit on Superman. He just wasn't powerful enough to hold him.

But still, I'll admit, nice blitzing feats there.

What?

You even told us about 1 peer he's used it on, if he thinks they are just too invulnerable he will go there. Also if he thinks his opponent is more powerful than himself under regular powers (like your claiming) he will certainly go there, like he has done against Surtur and Galactus.

Against someone as poweful as Thanos, he didn't use the godblast itself, although he did unleash the power of a thousand worlds + Thano's own beams added to a Powerful Anti-Force Blast to defeat him there. And he's done the same thing to The Destroyer.

So don't pretend he won't go there if he sees his opponent as beyond his regular power set.

Of course he would obviously only do it if he was willing to go for the kill, whereas Superman can speed blitz if he's going for the kill or just a simple KO. Though for a simple KO Thor could resort to the Anti-Force Blast, packed with the power of a thousand worlds instead of the godblast.

And while it's common for Superman to use his speed, it's certainly not common for him to go completely all out with his speed like that. So the principal is the same.

Never. Really? :

With PF and Surtur we are talking about Galaxy destroying beings here.

Debateable.

You do realize Thor has taken plenty of planet busting punches from beings just as strong (or almost as strong) as Superman right? Hulk, Hercules, Gladiator... Heck there's Thanos and The Destroyer! Have you just completely forgotten them And those aren't even the high level Skyfather beings he's taken hits from.

Funny, because I don't remember Superman blitzing Thor in that comic. Or Thor not being able to land hits in that comic.

In fact I do remember Superman admitting more than once that he "just barely" defeated Thor.

So as far as a CIS On comic book fight goes, I'm totally fine with that result, as I've admitted several times now Superman would have the advantage in that kind of typical toe to toe scenario.

Scans. And I want the nanosecond quantified in the scan.

Because end of the day everything I've claimed about a CIS Off Thor whether it be the power of a thousand worlds or a god blast or magical illusions- it's all things he's actually done.

And FYI he's also able to hit intangible beings, and has recovered quickly from having his molecules mixed into the ground.

Yeah like when he knew exactly what was going on when he saw Wonder Woman as Doomsday right?

And guess what, these are MAGICAL Illusions. He ain't seeing through them when he's fallen for less.

LOL No Thor won't be a staute to him, he actually moves at the same sorts of speed (with Mjolnir at least), and his Omni-Blasts are not going to look like statues either.

And honestly, CisLess Thor is absolutely crazy. He could shrink Superman into a tiny man the way he did Hyperion. He could zap Superman to any dimension or anywhere in the Universe he wants. He can drain all his Solar and Life Energies. He can give him blasts that have put down PF and Sutur. He can confuse the hell out of him with Magical Illusions. Moving FTL with Mjolnir, Indestructible Shields/Vortexes. The list just goes on and on and on.

Under normal circumstances they are Peers with maybe the edge to Superman. Superman's stronger and significantly faster. Whilst Thor has more versatility and the more potent energy attacks (as well as defenses). But I think what really puts Thor's "Power Set" above Superman's is the Magical and Aborption abilities.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL@ Thor having haster combat speed than Lobo. Thor fans must really be getting desperate to say something like that. Lobo nearly killed pre-DoS Superman in their very first encounter with his superspeed attacks because Superman had never faced him before and underestimated him. Of course, Superman has utterly dominated him in all their fights since then.

I never said Thor has faster combat speed than Lobo. That's the second time now you've twisted my words.

You all seem to be under the impression Thor doesn't have the movement and reactions and perceptions of a speedster. He does, as shown when he was the only one who could see Hermes, and he actually caught him.

The only difference is in terms of movement on that level he that relies on Mjolnir for the near light speed or FTL actual movement. So where he won't throw a punch a Light speed, he can/will swing Mjolnir, Fly/Bull Rush with Mjolnir, throw Mjolnir at light speeds.

And that doesn't even take into consideration Omni-Directional Blasts.

So how can Lobo be compared to Thor in any way when it comes to versatility in fighting/handling top-tier speedsters?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The Odinson has difficulty with inferior Superman analogues and that is irrelevant to you.

This is getting beyond trolling.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
To Nefaria, The Count nearly murdered the Avengers under Shooter.

What was Thor waiting for to unleash "His full power"? The Last Rites?

Just the fact that the other Avengers and Civilians are there makes it difficult for Thor to go all out.

Are you actually denying Thor didn't go all out?

Did you see a godblast, or even an anti-force blast or the power of a thousand worlds, or any of the other higher level s*** he's pulled out on the likes of Thanos, The Destroyer, The Phoenix Force, Surtur e.t.c e.t.c ??

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Dear lord even if thor had microsecond reaction time compared to nanosecond reaction time there is a relative perception time gap of 15 minutes

15 mins Relative to what? Your sentence almost sounds like your saying the difference between a micro second and a nano second is 15 minutes? 😕

The difference in speed is clearly there. But that's where Thor's exotic powers help even the odds. Superman has to think, bullrush, and combo Thor to a KO before he can even unleash an attack.

Thor just has to react and think, and out comes Omni-Blasts. Blasts he won't stop with if he's really been Rocked that hard by Superman that feel he can't take much more.

So unless you can show a scan to prove that before even a single micro second has passed Superman will land too many punches for Thor to handle, my point stands.

Originally posted by h1a8
leaving the battlefield is against the rules. Also Superman can prevent Thor from making an action by using speed.

No, sending Superman away can count as a bfr win. Going there himself as well to fight Superman there is just weakness exploitation using the versatility at his disposal.

All it takes is a Zap fro Thor to teleport.

Contrary to common belief, he doesn't need to spend ages swinging Mjolnir first.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The Odinson has difficulty with inferior Superman analogues and that is irrelevant to you.

To Nefaria, The Count nearly murdered the Avengers under Shooter.

What was Thor waiting for to unleash "His full power"? The Last Rites?

That is an analogue, kiddo.