Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by abhilegend
Since when?

Are you kidding?:

Originally posted by ODG

Mjolnir doesn't just focus Thor's own immortal life-force energies, it can strip them from people too. Here, he strips them from Loki in Thor #432:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir164-LifeForceEradication.jpg

Draining's going to weaken him. Thor will definitely smash up a weakened Superman.

If he takes him away from a Yellow Sun, even more so. If he takes him to a Red Sun, it's plain finshed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lobo has actual superspeed. He displayed that to Byrne Superman in AOS 464. Gardner? Superman doesn't always operates on superspeed.

Those are just a few. And all those people he blitzed are actual speedsters. Unlike Thor.

Hulk has superspeed too. And Thor's usually been portrayed as being the faster of the 2 in their fights.

Yes against Gardner. Superman was clearly using his speed to dodge all attacks in that scene, but got hit by Gardner's more exotic attacks. That's exactly why I'm saying Thor will be such a Nightmare to Superman. With the kind of reflexes/reactions he has, added to the exotic powers will make it very very difficult for Superman to just speed blitz.

Oh Superman doesn't always operate on superspeed? Brilliant. Thanks for the acknowledgement. That means Thor will without a doubt have those microseconds to access his exotic powers 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
And why would he do that against a fellow hero as he knows about Superman due to general knowledge rule?

Both villains.

Villains? Sure. Against a fellow hero of Superman's caliber? Even I know Thor is too noble to do that.

So, are you not saying Superman is simply more powerful than Thor's standard powers. So would Thor in that case not feel the need to unleash his higher end powers on Superman?

Which is why I said he won't use those abilities in a Cis Off fight.

Again distinguishing between Heroes and Villains only applies with Cis On.

Kind of clutching at straws with this whole hero/villain argument tbh.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, Superman was generous. And he can beat him down even without superspeed. Add superspeed? Game over.

Superman is really humble. What can I say.

Nice trolling attempt. Just like Thor was generous not unleashing his godblast or draining Supes off his very life energy.

Btw bringing up the JLA/Avengers crossover is against the rules.

Considering Bada has just given us all a warning about following the rules I suggest you stop quoting it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondInteraction1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondInteraction2.jpg

"For a fraction of a nanosecond frozen between eternities of past and future." Superman had no problem moving in a time freeze [b]inside a nanosecond. There are six more instances of him operating in a nanosecond. I can post them if you want. [/B]

Ooohhh.... And you were doing so well with your speed blitz posts..

Something tells me laying Planet Busting punches, enough to take down Thor before he can react, within Nanoseconds, is slightly different to TALKING in nanoseconds.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And he has gone intangible against Doomsday and Mongul. Add them and its over for Thor.

Same as Superman. And he would die without his heart. So?

Mjolnir can hit intangible beings. And it's matter manipulation properties are through the roof. So Thor will handle any such attacks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's telepathy. Not illusions. Now Thor is a telepath too?

You can post Superman falling for magical illusions. I will post Superman seeing through them. Deal?

LOL Thor has it ALL:

Originally posted by ODG

[b]MENTAL MANIPULATION

He could also use Mjolnir to hypnotize people, from Journey Into Mystery #102:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir18-HypnotismJIM102.jpg

Here, he uses its hypnotic abilities to place children into sleep in Thor #372:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir126-SleepingSpell372.jpg

He can even replicate Vertigo's abilities and disorient foes with Mjolnir, from Thor #374:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir127-VertigoSpell374.jpg
[/B]

You know Thor has even displayed the ability to freeze time? (And no, he didn't lose the ability when he lost his time travel power).

Seriously a PISless/CISless Thor incorporating all the different abilities used over the years is just on a different level.

Darth Power stop trolling dude!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Are you kidding?:

Draining's going to weaken him. Thor will definitely smash up a weakened Superman.

If he takes him away from a Yellow Sun, even more so. If he takes him to a Red Sun, it's plain finshed.

Hulk has superspeed too. And Thor's usually been portrayed as being the faster of the 2 in their fights.

Yes against Gardner. Superman was clearly using his speed to dodge all attacks in that scene, but got hit by Gardner's more exotic attacks. That's exactly why I'm saying Thor will be such a Nightmare to Superman. With the kind of reflexes/reactions he has, added to the exotic powers will make it very very difficult for Superman to just speed blitz.

Oh Superman doesn't always operate on superspeed? Brilliant. Thanks for the acknowledgement. That means Thor will without a doubt have those microseconds to access his exotic powers 👆

Nice trolling attempt. Just like Thor was generous not unleashing his godblast or draining Supes off his very life energy.

Ooohhh.... And you were doing so well with your speed blitz posts..

Something tells me laying Planet Busting punches, enough to take down Thor before he can react, within Nanoseconds, is slightly different to TALKING in nanoseconds.

Mjolnir can hit intangible beings. And it's matter manipulation properties are through the roof. So Thor will handle any such attacks.

LOL Thor has it ALL:

You know Thor has even displayed the ability to freeze time? (And no, he didn't lose the ability when he lost his time travel power).

Seriously a PISless/CISless Thor incorporating all the different abilities used over the years is just on a different level.

And Superman will pop him an separate him from Mjolnir before he acts.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman can pop Thor before Thor connects a drain or bfr him.

Can? Sure. But Thor can also teleport him first.

Originally posted by h1a8
A bullet has superspeed too. But compared to Superman, it is still frozen. Reflexes are nought is you are frozen in time.

Yeah except Thor has proven time after time after time that he's no where close to being frozen next to high herald level speedsters.

It's not PIS when it happens Every Single Time.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman will pop Thor before he acts.

About as much chance of that as Thor Zapping Superman to another dimension before he even gets hit once.

Hey you like maths so here's an equation for you:

Godly speed perception/reaction/reflexes plus Planet Busting Omni-Directional Blasts = Difficult to speed blitz (even for Superman).

Originally posted by h1a8
Clark walked around, talked, unloosened his tie, thought about things, etc in that fraction of a nanosecond.

So walking around, loosening his tie and thinking about things requires the same amount of energy as a dozen planet busting punches?

And a dozen High Herald level punches is the minimum it will take to KO Thor.

Originally posted by h1a8
no Mjolnir can't hit intangible beings. Before you show the vision feat just know that vision wasn't intangible, as he had already begin to harden his body.

Mjolnir was able to hit an intangible Vision because Mjolnir is a magical weapon. You guys still haven't learned that magic's a b****.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor doesn't have that power of freezing time.

He does within a certain vicinity:

Originally posted by ODG

Mjolnir's also been used to stop time in localized areas several times. The first time he does it, he stops all time from passing in a house to save Jane Foster in Journey Into Mystery #110:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir37-TimeManipulation.jpg

The time-freeze can also prevent powerful entities from using their powers. Here, Thor freezes time around Odin's body and Hela cannot pierce it in Thor #198-99:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir74-TimeFreeze198.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir75-TimeFreeze199.jpg

Mjolnir can protect himself and others from being frozen in time, a reverse time-freeze, if you will, from Marvel Team-Up #7:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir74a-NegativeTimeFreezeMa.jpg

These latter powers of freezing time weren't stripped along with Mjolnir's time-travelling capabilities. This is inarguable because a whole decade after Thor #282, Thor again freezes time around the Black Knight with a "time dislocation" in Avengers #300:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir144-StasisVortexAvengers.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
And Superman will pop him an separate him from Mjolnir before he acts.

Don't forget the equation h1a8. Write it down and you'll see it balances perfectly on both sides:

Godly speed perception/reaction/reflexes plus Planet Busting Omni-Directional Blasts = Difficult to speed blitz (even for Superman).

Originally posted by quanchi112
You have to prove they are inferior and that Superman can win. You keep trying to have it both ways. Thor crushed Gladiator when he went all out to the point of hilarity.

That is an analogue, kiddo.

I'm not trying to have anything "Both ways".

Gladiator is an inferior Superman analogue given his battles and most notably defeats. If someone can't agree on that point they are living in denial.

While Kallark is a lesser Clark, he was still formidable enough to press Thor utilizing a comprable powerset.

All Superman has to do is pull off something comprable and The Odinson loses 95% of his offensive and defensive capabilities.

Where Gladiator failed to close the deal with this advantage, the TRUE Superman won't falter.

You're aware that the only reason Gladiator did as well as he did in that scene is because he'd known Thor for years and was a trusted ally, not to mention that he ambushed Thor and used a hostage?

It is like Superman fans have never actually read Thor and base all their arguments on out of context scans.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're aware that the only reason Gladiator did as well as he did in that scene is because he'd known Thor for years and was a trusted ally, not to mention that he ambushed Thor and used a hostage?

It is like Superman fans have never actually read Thor and base all their arguments on out of context scans.

I know all of Thor's canon.

I use this knowledge to destroy The Thor Corps at every turn.

To MY point, Superman can replicate the feat with his superior powers and speed. As I've stated several times, Superman can do what his inferior analogues can to a greater degree.

Would you like to use the Simonson fight that I HAVEN'T actually read?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I'm not trying to have anything "Both ways".

Gladiator is an inferior Superman analogue given his battles and most notably defeats. If someone can't agree on that point they are living in denial.

While Kallark is a lesser Clark, he was still formidable enough to press Thor utilizing a comprable powerset.

All Superman has to do is pull off something comprable and The Odinson loses 95% of his offensive and defensive capabilities.

Where Gladiator failed to close the deal with this advantage, the TRUE Superman won't falter.

🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Being separated from the hammer and he wasn't all out. Later when he went all out he won. Very similar to the crossover. Thor all out would wreck Superman like he wrecked Gladiator.

🙂

He didn't wreck Count Nefaria.

When the Odinson handles Hickman's Hyperion or SunGod, then you might have a point.

If the master, Simonson, depicts Thor's need for an amp for a Superman analogue, who are YOU Thanosi to question that?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
He didn't wreck Count Nefaria.

When the Odinson handles Hickman's Hyperion or SunGod, then you might have a point.

If the master, Simonson, depicts Thor's need for an amp for a Superman analogue, who are YOU Thanosi to question that?

All out Thor wrecks all out Superman just like he did to Gladiator.

🙂

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're aware that the only reason Gladiator did as well as he did in that scene is because he'd known Thor for years and was a trusted ally, not to mention that he ambushed Thor and used a hostage?

It is like Superman fans have never actually read Thor and base all their arguments on out of context scans.

It's funny you say that because I've been thinking that based on a lot of posts in this thread that Thor fans haven't read more than a handful of Superman comics in their whole lives.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I know all of Thor's canon.

I use this knowledge to destroy The Thor Corps at every turn.

To MY point, Superman can replicate the feat with his superior powers and speed. As I've stated several times, Superman can do what his inferior analogues can to a greater degree.

Would you like to use the Simonson fight that I HAVEN'T actually read?

You didn't know the context of the scan you just posted.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You didn't know the context of the scan you just posted.

Who wins between Superman vs Thor?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I'm not trying to have anything "Both ways".

Gladiator is an inferior Superman analogue given his battles and most notably defeats. If someone can't agree on that point they are living in denial.

While Kallark is a lesser Clark, he was still formidable enough to press Thor utilizing a comprable powerset.

All Superman has to do is pull off something comprable and The Odinson loses 95% of his offensive and defensive capabilities.

Where Gladiator failed to close the deal with this advantage, the TRUE Superman won't falter.

Dumbest shit I ever read.

- Future Kallark (we have no idea how powerful he is)
- Thor was holding back
- There's no 60 second rule for Mjolnir, hasn't been in ages

If you know the canon, then you know this.

So in other words you're just lying/lowballing.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Are you kidding?:

Seriously a PISless/CISless Thor incorporating all the different abilities used over the years is just on a different level.

😛

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

15 mins Relative to what? Your sentence almost sounds like your saying the difference between a micro second and a nano second is 15 minutes? 😕

The difference in speed is clearly there. But that's where Thor's exotic powers help even the odds. Superman has to think, bullrush, and combo Thor to a KO before he can even unleash an attack.

Thor just has to react and think, and out comes Omni-Blasts. Blasts he won't stop with if he's really been Rocked that hard by Superman that feel he can't take much more.

So unless you can show a scan to prove that before even a single micro second has passed Superman will land too many punches for Thor to handle, my point stands.

Let me clarify this, Thor has microsecond reaction time feat, that means he has super speed reaction time, higher than us, Superman has nanosecond reaction time feats.

If you were to have nano second reaction time perceptions and reflexes and you were to interact with someone who has microsecond reaction time perception and reflexes it will basically translate on you being able to do something in a nanosecond lets say moving.

So if you have this type of perceptions you will be able to move in a nanosecond while the other guy will be able to move in a micro second. In a relative time perception you will see things around you moving slowly the person moving in microseconds will be moving in slow motion RELATIVELY to you (because you have a higher time perception). So yes what ever action someone with microsecond reaction time does, you will basically have relatively speaking "15 minutes" to decide what to do

Lets say in nanosecond time you can build a lego castle in what you will relatively speaking perceive as "1 minute" of your life and then someone who has microsecond time builds the same castle in a relatively speaking "1 minute" of his life. What the microsecond guy perceived as "1 minute time" the nanosecond guy will perceive as "15 minutes" so basically the nanosecond guy can build 15 castles in the same amount of time the other guy will only build 1 castle.

That is what I meant.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I'm not trying to have anything "Both ways".

Gladiator is an inferior Superman analogue given his battles and most notably defeats. If someone can't agree on that point they are living in denial.

While Kallark is a lesser Clark, he was still formidable enough to press Thor utilizing a comprable powerset.

All Superman has to do is pull off something comprable and The Odinson loses 95% of his offensive and defensive capabilities.

Where Gladiator failed to close the deal with this advantage, the TRUE Superman won't falter.

This is how that story ended once Thor stopped holding back:

And before you argue he was never holding back, he outright says it in the last panel. The result: Gladiator got a Battering.

But by all means keep trolling us.

Abhi, abhi, your just making this too easy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not. That process was specific against an asgardian and it was later revealed that Loki duped Thor by transferring his essence to Odin's body. So it was done once against a specific being and it failed.

Yeah I'm sure Superman is going to transfer his essence mid - life energy drain.

Face it, Superman goes down IF Thor begins to drain his energies.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You still haven't explained why he would teleport him near a red sun.

I don't have to explain, since I said IF.

Draining, and teleporting away from a Yellow Sun, or any Sun is already Overkill. No need really to involve Red Suns as well. But if Thor does find out about that weakness, the exploitation of it would be easy for him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. He used speed against Lobo only. He dismissed Gardner as a threat.

Way to dismiss him getting hit in a scene where he was clearly using his Speed to evade all attacks. He carried on using speed right after taking down Gardner as well.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has made people with microsecond/nanosecond reactions look like a statue.

That's PG demonstrating microsecond level speed.

Cool. So how many of these people were firing Omni-Blasts?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's Jay Garrick along with Bart making world go still in a nanosecond.

Nice. Except I don't see Superman in that scene, let alone see him doing even 1 Planet Busting punch in that Nano-Second.

And it's going to take a heck of a lot more than 1 Planet Busting punch to KO Thor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And this is Superman making them look like statue in superspeed.

Cool, except I don't see even 1 Planet Busting punch there. And it's going to take a heck of a lot more than 1 Planet Busting punch to KO Thor.

I also don't see any of them firing Omni-Blasts.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Moved so fast that he was a blur to Bart.

That was when Bart was starting out IIRC.

Bart's faster than Superman anyway.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So yeah, he would make Thor look like a statue. He has actually matched Flash in reflexes. Thor would be lucky to match spider man in reflexes.

That's funny, because a lot of people argue that Flash is so much faster than Superman, that he actually takes Superman out in a direct fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. Those aren't in his nature. Speed is a natural thing for Superman.

Which is why he used super speed to dodge one of Thor's Hammer strikes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You brought it up first.

You're starting to make a habit out of lying.

Talking about the JLA/Avengers crossover began when you mentioned I should look at your Sig, to know exactly what would happen if Thor fought Superman in the comic book world.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, because punching is so more difficult than talking, right?

LOL

I don't know if this is a serious point. But it made me laugh, so thanks!

Originally posted by abhilegend
If he can talk, move around and do all that stuff in less than a nanosecond, he can punch in nanoseconds too.

Yeah sure. Talking and taking off your tie is just how hard punching is.. It's even easier to do a Planet Busting punch.

Originally posted by abhilegend
At superspeed? I'd love to see the scan. That's why Thor hasn't matter manipulated in last twenty years or such? Ooohhhhhhh

Are you denying Thor's matter manip feats now because they haven't happened in a while.

Marvel doesn't reboot every 5 mins, so those Older feats still count.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course he lost it.

Again you're making a habit of lying.

But I don't blame you. You will have to make up some lies to prove Superman is as superior to Thor as you're making out.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Let me clarify this, Thor has microsecond reaction time feat, that means he has super speed reaction time, higher than us, Superman has nanosecond reaction time feats.

If you were to have nano second reaction time perceptions and reflexes and you were to interact with someone who has microsecond reaction time perception and reflexes it will basically translate on you being able to do something in a nanosecond lets say moving.

So if you have this type of perceptions you will be able to move in a nanosecond while the other guy will be able to move in a micro second. In a relative time perception you will see things around you moving slowly the person moving in microseconds will be moving in slow motion RELATIVELY to you (because you have a higher time perception). So yes what ever action someone with microsecond reaction time does, you will basically have relatively speaking "15 minutes" to decide what to do

Lets say in nanosecond time you can build a lego castle in what you will relatively speaking perceive as "1 minute" of your life and then someone who has microsecond time builds the same castle in a relatively speaking "1 minute" of his life. What the microsecond guy perceived as "1 minute time" the nanosecond guy will perceive as "15 minutes" so basically the nanosecond guy can build 15 castles in the same amount of time the other guy will only build 1 castle.

That is what I meant.

Cool. Thing is, Microsecond reaction is just the fastest Thor's reflexes have been stated on panel.

His feat however of reacting and moving to block Phoenix's telepathic bolt after it was already fired has to be well above that.

So I do believe the kind of reflexes/reactions Thor has combined with his Omni-Blasts and combined with how crazy strong/durable he is, is going to make Speed Blitzing him very difficult. And it's going to be almost impossible for Superman to Blitz him while avoiding getting hit himself in a situation where Thor is unleashing his full Omni-Blasts IMHO.

I mean I don't remember Superman dodging say the powers of Green Lanterns very often at all, because of how widespread and instantaneous their powers are. And Green Lanterns don't have superhuman reflexes or reactions at all (as far as I'm aware), let alone reflexes and reactions on Thor's level.

The only thing I remember Superman doing to evade their attacks, is bullrushing or taking off their rings right at the onset of the fight. Thor however can take any initial bull rush, and is more likely than a Green lantern to react to an intial bullrush anyway.

Canon feats still count and Abhi you don't get to pick and choose what counts. That is the way of bias, kiddo.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Abhi, abhi, your just making this too easy.

The only thing I remember Superman doing to evade their attacks, is bullrushing or taking off their rings right at the onset of the fight. Thor however can take any initial bull rush, and is more likely than a Green lantern to react to an intial bullrush anyway.