Thor vs Superman

My boy Darth is in here owning. Good stuff buddy.

Originally posted by carver9
My boy Darth is in here owning. Good stuff buddy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, I'm not even taking this discussion seriously.

I can see that with your "talking and taking off a tie is equal to a planet busting punch.."

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its not a viable option for Thor. Superman isn't an asgardian and the drain failed anyway.

LOL Who said he can only do it on Asgardians? What kind of silly lowballing assumption is that?

Didn't Bada just warn us all against Lowballing?

Yeah failed against Loki. Oh I'm sorry, Superman's also a Master of Magic right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's a concession. Good.

So, no. You don't have anything to base them on.

What concession? That Superman better hope Thor doesn't find out his weaknesses, because if he does Thor's versatility would be the end of Supes?

Yeah I concede to that.

Either way Thor CAN drain the Solar and Life energies out of Superman, and teleport him away from any Star.

Anything even resembling that would just push the scales too far on Thor's side, considering they're already peers in power.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Repeating yourself, eh?

Again repeating?

Kind of Have To, since your points are repetitive- Superman Speed Blitzes Yay!

Originally posted by abhilegend
And running at full speed after that.

Hahahaha. Even Superboy has matched Bart in speed. Krypto is faster than both. Superman is slower than only Barry and Wally.

Ah yes I forgot about Superboy's race with Bart.

Doesn't prove anything about Superman KO'ing Thor in a nanosecond.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They are morons then.

They're going by Flash's far superior speed feats. And actual feats of IMP's in nanoseconds. Not just taking off a tie in nanoseconds Lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
When did that happen?

When Thor goes to hit Supes but hits the ground instead. You see Supes fly straight up clearly using super speed to doge the strike.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Good thing is you don't know what you're talking about.

Hahahahahahahahaha.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How many green lantern comics have you read?

I'll be honest, hardly any. Going off what I've seen in JL or other crossovers.

But are you seriously claiming John Stewart and Guy Gardner have faster reflexes and reactions than Thor? Or even anywhere near as fast?

Since your whole point is Thor gets speed blitzed, I'll end this with a few speed and reaction feats for Thor, to show he's going to react to a Blitz:

Here Thor dodges Gladiator's Heat Vision. Notice Gladiator doesn't do the typical villain thing and announce he's about to fire his HV. Amazing thing is Thor not only sees it coming and reacts, but even manages to move out of the way.

Originally posted by ODG

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator02.jpg

Interesting thing about Eye Beams are, not only are they Light Speed, but there's no hand gesture to give notice that your opponent is about to fire. And it's not a one off. Here Thor reacts to Thanos's eye beams and collects them all in Mjolnir:

Originally posted by ODG
[B]
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsThanos01v222.jpg

And it makes sense given here he not only reacts, but throws a Knock Out punch to Magnir in a few microseconds. So much for Thor not being superhumanly fast. A microsecond is a Millionth of a Second 😉 Just out of curiosity, how many times has Superman thrown a KO punch to a Superhuman in Quantified Millionths of a second?

Originally posted by ODG

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed08144.jpg

The amazing thing there is that's the speed he's not only reacting, but swinging his fist for a KO punch in.

So clearly if all he had to do was react, think and shoot, that could be done in a hell of a lot less than microseconds.

And guess what? That's what happens in actual comics. It's what happens every time Thor goes up against High Herald Speedsters. He reacts to all of them without a problem.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I can see that with your "talking and taking off a tie is equal to a planet busting punch.."

LOL Who said he can only do it on Asgardians? What kind of silly lowballing assumption is that?

Didn't Bada just warn us all against Lowballing?

Yeah failed against Loki. Oh I'm sorry, Superman's also a Master of Magic right?

What concession? That Superman better hope Thor doesn't find out his weaknesses, because if he does Thor's versatility would be the end of Supes?

Yeah I concede to that.

Either way Thor CAN drain the Solar and Life energies out of Superman, and teleport him away from any Star.

Anything even resembling that would just push the scales too far on Thor's side, considering they're already peers in power.

Kind of Have To, since your points are repetitive- Superman Speed Blitzes Yay!

Ah yes I forgot about Superboy's race with Bart.

Doesn't prove anything about Superman KO'ing Thor in a nanosecond.

They're going by Flash's far superior speed feats. And actual feats of IMP's in nanoseconds. Not just taking off a tie in nanoseconds Lol

When Thor goes to hit Supes but hits the ground instead. You see Supes fly straight up clearly using super speed to doge the strike.

I'll be honest, hardly any. Going off what I've seen in JL or other crossovers.

But are you seriously claiming John Stewart and Guy Gardner have faster reflexes and reactions than Thor? Or even anywhere near as fast?

Since your whole point is Thor gets speed blitzed, I'll end this with a few speed and reaction feats for Thor, to show he's going to react to a Blitz:

Here Thor dodges Gladiator's Heat Vision. Notice Gladiator doesn't do the typical villain thing and announce he's about to fire his HV. Amazing thing is Thor not only sees it coming and reacts, but even manages to move out of the way.

Interesting thing about Eye Beams are, not only are they Light Speed, but there's no hand gesture to give notice that your opponent is about to fire. And it's not a one off. Here Thor reacts to Thanos's eye beams and collects them all in Mjolnir:

And it makes sense given here he not only reacts, but throws a Knock Out punch to Magnir in a few microseconds. So much for Thor not being superhumanly fast. A microsecond is a Millionth of a Second 😉 Just out of curiosity, how many times has Superman thrown a KO punch to a Superhuman in Quantified Millionths of a second?

The amazing thing there is that's the speed he's not only reacting, but swinging his fist for a KO punch in.

So clearly if all he had to do was react, think and shoot, that could be done in a hell of a lot less than microseconds.

And guess what? That's what happens in actual comics. It's what happens every time Thor goes up against High Herald Speedsters. He reacts to all of them without a problem.

Second, Thor reacting to light speed from 30ft away or more is not the same as reacting to light speed from 5ft away.

Finally, not all eye beams move at the speed of light. If the beam looks fluffy or fiery then we shouldn't assume the blast is light speed. It has to look more or less like a laser (or very straight). So the Thanos feat doesn't count IMO.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lulz. Cheerleader everybody!

Originally posted by h1a8
a fraction of a nanosecond is thousands to millions of times faster than several microseconds. so Superman can at least react and operated over a thousand times faster than Thor.

Second, Thor reacting to light speed from 30ft away or more is not the same as reacting to light speed from 5ft away.

Finally, not all eye beams move at the speed of light. If the beam looks fluffy or fiery then we shouldn't assume the blast is light speed. It has to look more or less like a laser (or very straight). So the Thanos feat doesn't count IMO.

Thor doesn't need to have equal reflexes/reactions to Supes. He just needs to react to Superman's blitz with Light Speed Omni-Blasts. He throws an actual knock out punch in microseconds. He can obviously react a lot faster than that.
And he can take a few hits from Superman anyway. He's not just going to get KO'D that easily.

He was no where near 30feet away from Gladiator. Besides when These Flying Heralds fight each other is quite normal for them to be more than a few feet away from each other.

Whatever bro. He's got a history of reacting to speedsters and Lightspeed attacks.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Dumbest shit I ever read.

- Future Kallark (we have no idea how powerful he is)
- Thor was holding back
- There's no 60 second rule for Mjolnir, hasn't been in ages

If you know the canon, then you know this.

So in other words you're just lying/lowballing.

1)Gladiator- Nothing indicated that this version of Kallark was different than any of his other depictions. Authors usually go out of their way to mark such a difference.

2) Holding back- So does Clark and he outperforms The Odinson while doing so.

3)60 second limit- In your zeal to state how my post was "The dumbest !@#$ you've ever read" you MISSED the point entirely. MJOLNIR COMPRISES 95% OF THOR'S OFFENSIVE/DEFENSIVE CAPABILITIES. WITHOUT IT HE IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIMNINISHED. SEPARATING HIM FROM MJOLNIR THE WAY GLADIATOR DID WOULD BE AN EASY TACTIC.

4)Lowballing- You've been gone for awhile. You'd do better to see the debates I've had with the false King, JakeTheBank, and the wretched ODG to see what I know.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
This is how that story ended once Thor stopped holding back:

And before you argue he was never holding back, he outright says it in the last panel. The result: Gladiator got a Battering.

But by all means keep trolling us.

Are you being willfully obtuse?

The POINT as I've stated SEVERAL times is that INFERIOR Superman analogues give Thor problems. The Ultimate Superman would defeat Thor utilizing the same powerset more effectively.

Now, do you want to bring up THE SIMONSON FIGHT?

Or would the Fantastic Four issue be TROLLING/LOWBALLING as well

Wow, Darth Power is laying the smack down.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn

2) [B]Holding back- So does Clark and he outperforms The Odinson while doing so.[/B]

LOL

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
3)[B]60 second limit- In your zeal to state how my post was "The dumbest !@#$ you've ever read" you MISSED the point entirely. MJOLNIR COMPRISES 95% OF THOR'S OFFENSIVE/DEFENSIVE CAPABILITIES. WITHOUT IT HE IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIMNINISHED. SEPARATING HIM FROM MJOLNIR THE WAY GLADIATOR DID WOULD BE AN EASY TACTIC.[/B]

You don't seem to know much about Thor. If anything 95% of his power comes from himself. Mjolnir is just a tool.

And I've just put a scan in your face where Thor outright states he was holding back in that fight. Jeez Your Trolling is just getting outright embarrassing now. It was funny at first, but looking kind of desperate now. So just stop it.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn

Are you being willfully obtuse?

The POINT as I've stated SEVERAL times is that INFERIOR Superman analogues give Thor problems.

The Ultimate Superman would defeat Thor utilizing the same powerset more effectively.

Now, do you want to bring up THE SIMONSON FIGHT?

Or would the Fantastic Four issue be TROLLING/LOWBALLING as well

Firstly, you post a picture of Gladiator disarming Thor, the context being Thor is protecting a civilian and holding back.

Then I put the actual scan of what happened when Thor stopped holding back (which ended in a pretty 1 sided beat down) in your face and your accusing me of being purposefully obtuse?

And now your bringing up Simonson fight which hardly got started before it finished?

Your whole point is a big troll attempt. What is your point that Thor's had some trouble against Gladiator, therefore Superman stomps him?

Ok, so I guess since Superman's had trouble in the past with Wonder Woman, SO CLEARLY Thor would stomp him! Since Superman's had some trouble with Mongul, CLEARLY Thor would stomp him!

Of course no Mid-High Herald level character is just going to get outright stomped! If they do it's really impressive, but if they get taken down with some effort it's nothing to laugh at or use to lowball.

What makes your claim completely laughable is that BOTH the writers of those Thor vs Glad fights you've brought up, Jurgens and Simonson, have both outright stated they think Thor would beat Superman in a fight.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Thor doesn't need to have equal reflexes/reactions to Supes. He just needs to react to Superman's blitz with Light Speed Omni-Blasts. He throws an actual knock out punch in microseconds. He can obviously react a lot faster than that.
And he can take a few hits from Superman anyway. He's not just going to get KO'D that easily.

He was no where near 30feet away from Gladiator. Besides when These Flying Heralds fight each other is quite normal for them to be more than a few feet away from each other.

Whatever bro. He's got a history of reacting to speedsters and Lightspeed attacks.

Also, if Superman can operate thousands to millions of times faster than Thor then how can Thor react to Superman?

Let's assume that Thor can. Superman can simply walk up to Thor, while he sees Thor in super slow motion. If Thor starts to activate anything, then Superman adjusts accordingly with ease.
Superman has options of going intangible, evading blasts, freeze breath, hv, etc.

Thor was more like 50-60 feet away (pitchers distance from batter) but 30feet was generous on my part.

Yes Thor has a history of reacting to debatable lightspeed attacks from 30ft away or more. He has reacted to speedsters when they weren't using their speed.
Funny though, Thor couldn't react to quicksilver at all. He resorted to hitting the ground BECAUSE HE COULDN'T.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I can see that with your "talking and taking off a tie is equal to a planet busting punch.."

And guess what? That's what happens in actual comics. It's what happens every time Thor goes up against High Herald Speedsters. He reacts to all of them without a problem.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You don't seem to know much about Thor. If anything 95% of his power comes from himself. Mjolnir is just a tool.

1) Matter Manipulation
2) Energy absorption
3) Interdimensional travel
4) Energy draining
5) Soul Draining
6) Casting Illusions
7) Teleportation
8) Forcefields

Thor is capable of doing ALL these things without Mjolnir, right?

To the Simonson fight, THOR HAD A SPEED AMP TO DEAL WITH GLADIATOR.

Now go ahead and enlighten me about Thor and answer my question.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1) Matter Manipulation
2) Energy absorption
3) Interdimensional travel
4) Energy draining
5) Soul Draining
6) Casting Illusions
7) Teleportation
8) Forcefields

[B]Thor is capable of doing ALL these things without Mjolnir, right?

To the Simonson fight, THOR HAD A SPEED AMP TO DEAL WITH GLADIATOR.

Now go ahead and enlighten me about Thor and answer my question. [/B]

Well, the Rune magic was basically Thor's own power, which includes all of those abilities.

And I'm pretty sure Gladiator had a speed debuff not the other way around. He was being slowed down in a time-chamber or something. Same result I suppose, but it was the shit-Thor anyway, and the real Thor danced around his hits no problem.

Abhi's post is too long to respond to right now, so I'll address it later.

Originally posted by h1a8
Till I see proof I'm going to say Thor's omniblast is much weaker than Thor's normal blasts and thus they won't even slow down Superman, a guy that tanks supernovas and planets colliding.

Ok. And until I see proof I'm going to say Superman's speed blitz Punches are much weaker than his planer busting punches, so unlikely to do much harm to Thor. See how that works?

And for the record he has done some very very powerful Omni blasts. At a minimum to Rock the likes of Surfer and Warlock.

Originally posted by h1a8
Also, if Superman can operate thousands to millions of times faster than Thor then how can Thor react to Superman?

A Nano second is 1000 times faster than a micro second. So forget this Million times faster none sense.

Thor has reacted and moved and thrown a Superhuman Knock Out Punch in mere Microseconds.

So clearly he could just react and shoot a heck of lot faster then that. As proven consistently when he reacts to Lightspeed attacks.

Originally posted by h1a8
Let's assume that Thor can. Superman can simply walk up to Thor, while he sees Thor in super slow motion. If Thor starts to activate anything, then Superman adjusts accordingly with ease.
Superman has options of going intangible, evading blasts, freeze breath, hv, etc.

See above. It won't be super slow motion in which Thor reacts and starts firing. Even still I have no issue with Superman landing the first few hits. But Thor can take it, and he's clearly not going to take forever to react.

Mjolnir can hit the intangible. Neither Surfer, nor Vision, or Superman are winning simply because they can go intangible. Evading Blasts is hard when they are that exotic and Omni-Directional. It won't just be Magical Lightning attacks, it will also be Thousands of Tornadoes in every direction. It will be a problem. Superman isn't just evading/walking through all that. He will be hit, and he will be hurt and slowed down.

Supes history shows that. Look at when he fights Green Lanterns. Freeze Breath is useless against the one who controls the winds themselves as Thor showed Gladiator. Mjolnir can drink up every bit of HV, Superman shoots out, and redirect it back at him Amped in Power multiple times.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor was more like 50-60 feet away (pitchers distance from batter) but 30feet was generous on my part.

What the heck? He was no where near 50 feet away from Gladiator. More like 5 feet. The reason I brought up Gladiator and Thanos, and not Hyperion and Count Nefaria was because the latter did the typical villain thing of announcing they are about to use Eye beams. Glads and Thanos didn't. Which is really impressive because it means Thor saw the beams coming and reacted in time before getting hit. Because Energy Shots from hands can be seen coming when the opponent raises their hands. Eye beams can not. And nor does Thor have an early warning sense like Spider-Man. He just simply reacted to those beams in what must have been Nano Seconds.

And it's normal when Flying Heralds are fighting each other to be some distance apart.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes Thor has a history of reacting to debatable lightspeed attacks from 30ft away or more. He has reacted to speedsters when they weren't using their speed.
Funny though, Thor couldn't react to quicksilver at all. He resorted to hitting the ground BECAUSE HE COULDN'T.

That's not true at all. Masterson Thor reacted to Gladiator used his speed. Lots of opponents have used Speed on Thor to no evail. He has a history of blocking Light Speed attacks and moving at super speeds himself, and clearly having godly reflexes speed perception and reactions. Heck he even saw and caught Hermes was was moving at Invisible (to the mortal eye) Super speeds. Honestly that and him throwing a punch in micro-seconds (a micro second is a millionth of a second) should do away with this idea that Thor can't hit speedsters, when the movement speed he's shown practically makes him a speedster.

He still hit Quicksilver. Just because he resorted to using exotic attacks, that's fine. He will hit Superman with exotic attacks too. He could also throw Mjolnir at Superman or Quicksilver, which will lock onto him and hit him. Even Surfer can not outfly/outmaneuver Mjolnir. And Thor can even hold onto Mjolnir while it does that.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1) Matter Manipulation
2) Energy absorption
3) Interdimensional travel
4) Energy draining
5) Soul Draining
6) Casting Illusions
7) Teleportation
8) Forcefields

[B]Thor is capable of doing ALL these things without Mjolnir, right?

To the Simonson fight, THOR HAD A SPEED AMP TO DEAL WITH GLADIATOR.

Now go ahead and enlighten me about Thor and answer my question. [/B]

Jeez you still TROLLING after it was Shown to your face that Gladiator only knocked Mjolnir away from a HOLDING BACK Thor who was protecting a civilian. And who Battered him once he stopped holding back?

Casting Illusions is Thor's own power he's learned from Loki over the years. The rest are his more exotic less used powers except teleportation which he uses Mjolnir for. But really it's all his own power.. Mjolnir is just a tool.

But anyway his more common powers used in a direct fight- Strength, Weather Manipulation, Lightning amped punches, Omni-Directional Blasts, heck even his most powerful blast-The godblast, are all Thor's own powers. Those more exotic powers are important to have access to in a fight against someone as powerful as Superman, but he can fight just fine if left without Mjolnir for a while. Mjolnir doesn't exactly take long to come back LOL. And it was only even separated from him because Thor was holding back and more concerned with protecting a civilian! But carry on Lowballing and Trolling!

Oh the supposed speed amp. Riiiiight.... Funny The speed amping device was missing from Thor when he fought Gladiator, which would mean Thor was also fighting in Hyperspeed too right? 😉
It seemed that Gladiator entered their timestream when he came on the ship, (which makes sense considering the ship itself was in the amped timestream.

But if Gladiator wasn't in that amped timestream, and he was actually talking and fighting within Hyperspeed that whole time hitting with equal strength to Thor, then that's combat speed well beyond what the likes of Superman has ever shown. That's pretty unlikely though considering Gladiator has never shown that kind of continuous Hyperspeed combat before. So I'm going with that first explanation.

You can take your pick, but fact is what neither of those comic fights were supposed to show is that Superman is infinitely more powerful than Thor LOL, considering BOTH the writers of those comics have outright said they believe Thor takes Superman in a fight. And fact is Gladiator has never been able to defeat Thor inside or outside a timestream LOL.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Well, the Rune magic was basically Thor's own power, which includes all of those abilities.

And I'm pretty sure Gladiator had a speed debuff not the other way around. He was being slowed down in a time-chamber or something. Same result I suppose, but it was the shit-Thor anyway, and the real Thor danced around his hits no problem.

👆

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1) Matter Manipulation
2) Energy absorption
3) Interdimensional travel
4) Energy draining
5) Soul Draining
6) Casting Illusions
7) Teleportation
8) Forcefields

[B]Thor is capable of doing ALL these things without Mjolnir, right?

To the Simonson fight, THOR HAD A SPEED AMP TO DEAL WITH GLADIATOR.

Now go ahead and enlighten me about Thor and answer my question. [/B]

Doesn't he also need his hammer in order to fly?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Well, the Rune magic was basically Thor's own power, which includes all of those abilities.

And I'm pretty sure Gladiator had a speed debuff not the other way around. He was being slowed down in a time-chamber or something. Same result I suppose, but it was the shit-Thor anyway, and the real Thor danced around his hits no problem.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Casting Illusions is Thor's own power he's learned from Loki over the years. The rest are his more exotic less used powers except teleportation which he uses Mjolnir for. But really it's all his own power.. Mjolnir is just a tool.

You can prerface your comments with accusations of "Lowballing" and "Trolling" all you want. It does absolutely nothing in terms of proving your claims.

Mjolnir is NOT JUST A TOOL. PERIOD.

The hammer functions as a conduit for Thor's abilities in terms of his weather manipulation and acting as a vehicle for his essence in terms of the Godblast. THAT IS IT.

Thor DOES NOT in any way, shape, or form possess the innate ability to do any of the following.

1) Matter Manipulation
2) Energy absorption
3) Interdimensional travel
4) Energy draining
5) Soul Draining
6) Forcefields

When I claimed that 95% of his offensive and defensive capabilities came from Mjolnir, that was pure canon.

You can ONCE AGAIN accuse me of lowballing/Trolling but PLEASE show me where I'm wrong according to the comics.

Originally posted by Star428
Doesn't he also need his hammer in order to fly?

Thor has been shown flying without it but the majority of the canon shows he needs Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Star428
Doesn't he also need his hammer in order to fly?

No.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You can prerface your comments with accusations of "Lowballing" and "Trolling" all you want. It does absolutely nothing in terms of proving your claims.

Mjolnir is NOT JUST A TOOL. PERIOD.

It is a weapon as well, but it's primary purpose is that of a tool to focus Thor's abilities better.

Urm... I already defeated your points a couple of pages ago with this scan:

Last scene where he clearly states that he's not holding back now and Batters Gladiator. And yet you insist on going on about how Gladiator disarmed this Holding Back Thor who still has the 60 second rule to deal with.

For Shame!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The hammer functions as a conduit for Thor's abilities in terms of his weather manipulation and acting as a vehicle for his essence in terms of the Godblast. THAT IS IT.

Oh THAT'S IT! Yeah it's only like The Vast Majority of his most widely used Combat Powers and even his Most Powerful Energy Blast. But yeah... THAT'S IT!

FO SHAME!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Thor DOES NOT in any way, shape, or form possess the innate ability to do any of the following.

1) Matter Manipulation
2) Energy absorption
3) Interdimensional travel
4) Energy draining
5) Soul Draining
6) Forcefields

It's good you've seen the Error of your ways and taken out Magical Illusions. But I'm pretty sure Sould Draining will also be a part of his own Powers but used best through Mjolnir. That's why you won't find BRB using it.

The Power all comes from him dude. Not the other way around. He's not Masterson Thor or Beta Ray Bill. He's the Real Deal!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
When I claimed that 95% of his offensive and defensive capabilities came from Mjolnir, that was pure canon.

You can ONCE AGAIN accuse me of lowballing/Trolling but PLEASE show me where I'm wrong according to the comics.

Because you have been One Huge Lowballing Troll with the whole Gladiator vs Thor fights which is why your trying to divert the conversation elsewhere now.

Nice Trick, but your still wrong and I'm onto you, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No.

It is a weapon as well, but it's primary purpose is that of a tool to focus Thor's abilities better.

Urm... I already defeated your points a couple of pages ago with this scan:

Last scene where he clearly states that he's not holding back now and Batters Gladiator. And yet you insist on going on about how Gladiator disarmed this Holding Back Thor who still has the 60 second rule to deal with.

For Shame!

Oh THAT'S IT! Yeah it's only like The Vast Majority of his most widely used Combat Powers and even his Most Powerful Energy Blast. But yeah... THAT'S IT!

FO SHAME!

It's good you've seen the Error of your ways and taken out Magical Illusions. But I'm pretty sure Sould Draining will also be a part of his own Powers but used best through Mjolnir. That's why you won't find BRB using it.

The Power all comes from him dude. Not the other way around. He's not Masterson Thor or Beta Ray Bill. He's the Real Deal!

Because you have been One Huge Lowballing Troll with the whole Gladiator vs Thor fights which is why your trying to divert the conversation elsewhere now.

Nice Trick, but your still wrong and I'm onto you, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Show me a SINGLE instance of Thor performing ANY of the aforementioned abilities WITHOUT MJOLNIR.

I'll wait.

You can continue to miss the point about Gladiator as well BUT don't forget to show PROOF of Thor demonstrating those powers without Mjolnir.