Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
facepalm
Not sure whether you are refusing to understand or just don't. Thor was at a disadvantage since we have him fighting back while protecting Manday's safety. Correct?

Here you go again asking questions that are irrelevant. The reason I even quoted you from the beginning is because you were so adamant about context. Yet when context is given to you about your original short sighted statement, you start dodging. Here again your original statement.

Darth's scan of showing what happened to Gladz after a no longer holding back Thor is perfectly clear. Your claims of it being so out of context just wreaks of attempt to lowball.

Again you're making claims which have no legs to stand on. Even if there were off-panel shenanigans, it still doesn't change the fact that it was a brief encounter. Nothing of significance happened. Nowhere in that book was it indicated that Gladz was weakened or weakening. Because let's face it that's where you're going with this.

Wow! Should I even dignify this response? This is just pathetic. He ate multiple Mjolnir sandwiches. If someone has to point out to you he was KO'd in that scene then you need help.

Dude quit it with the red herrings. That doesn't matter. The fight began with Thor being protective while Gladiator was out to kill. Gladz even endangered the girl's life and Thor was forced to save her. Thor was at a disadvantage. Period.

Maybe because the phukkin comic said so. Maybe??? Seriously...

More red herrings.

I sense desperation here because none of my main points were not properly addressed.

Again the comic outright states Thor was holding back. When he stopped, he stomped.

The comic also flat out has Gladiator admitting defeat and stating that Thor is too strong.

Now anything brought up about the fight that clearly lessens those two facts is flat out lowballing.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Abhi's post is too long to respond to right now, so I'll address it later.

Ok. And until I see proof I'm going to say Superman's speed blitz Punches are much weaker than his planer busting punches, so unlikely to do much harm to Thor. See how that works?

And for the record he has done some very very powerful Omni blasts. At a minimum to Rock the likes of Surfer and Warlock.

A Nano second is 1000 times faster than a micro second. So forget this Million times faster none sense.

Thor has reacted and moved and thrown a Superhuman Knock Out Punch in mere Microseconds.

So clearly he could just react and shoot a heck of lot faster then that. As proven consistently when he reacts to Lightspeed attacks.

You know I really don't make errors in math right?
I'll explain why millions is the upper limit to how many times faster Superman is than Thor. Superman has did a lot of stuff within a FRACTION OF A NANOSECOND, while Thor operated in SEVERAL MICROSECONDS.
So if Superman operated in 1/250th of a nanosecond and Thor operated in 4 microseconds (superman performed more actions as well) then this is a million times faster.

See above. It won't be super slow motion in which Thor reacts and starts firing. Even still I have no issue with Superman landing the first few hits. But Thor can take it, and he's clearly not going to take forever to react.

Mjolnir can hit the intangible. Neither Surfer, nor Vision, or Superman are winning simply because they can go intangible. Evading Blasts is hard when they are that exotic and Omni-Directional. It won't just be Magical Lightning attacks, it will also be Thousands of Tornadoes in every direction. It will be a problem. Superman isn't just evading/walking through all that. He will be hit, and he will be hurt and slowed down.

Supes history shows that. Look at when he fights Green Lanterns. Freeze Breath is useless against the one who controls the winds themselves as Thor showed Gladiator. Mjolnir can drink up every bit of HV, Superman shoots out, and redirect it back at him Amped in Power multiple times.

Mjolnir has never hit an intangible being. Vision was never intangible when Thor hit him. Vision WAS HARDENING his body when Thor affected him.

What the heck? He was no where near 50 feet away from Gladiator. More like 5 feet. The reason I brought up Gladiator and Thanos, and not Hyperion and Count Nefaria was because the latter did the typical villain thing of announcing they are about to use Eye beams. Glads and Thanos didn't. Which is really impressive because it means Thor saw the beams coming and reacted in time before getting hit. Because Energy Shots from hands can be seen coming when the opponent raises their hands. Eye beams can not. And nor does Thor have an early warning sense like Spider-Man. He just simply reacted to those beams in what must have been Nano Seconds.

And it's normal when Flying Heralds are fighting each other to be some distance apart.

The feat is impressive as hell though. I know this. That's why Thor is a bad boy. But you fail to see the "dumb projectile" argument. Superman won't act as a dumb beam or dumb bullet. Those things do not change direction or alter their course due to changing conditions. Superman will see Thor making an action in slow motion and adjust to him. That means he can evade, counter, add hv or freeze breath in the process, or slightly change his angle of attack. Also, Thor only had time to BARELY move his head 2-3 feet away to avoid Gladiators beam. He couldn't possibly achieve a more complex action in that same amount of time.

That's not true at all. Masterson Thor reacted to Gladiator used his speed. Lots of opponents have used Speed on Thor to no evail. He has a history of blocking Light Speed attacks and moving at super speeds himself, and clearly having godly reflexes speed perception and reactions. Heck he even saw and caught Hermes was was moving at Invisible (to the mortal eye) Super speeds. Honestly that and him throwing a punch in micro-seconds (a micro second is a millionth of a second) should do away with this idea that Thor can't hit speedsters, when the movement speed he's shown practically makes him a speedster.

He still hit Quicksilver. Just because he resorted to using exotic attacks, that's fine. He will hit Superman with exotic attacks too. He could also throw Mjolnir at Superman or Quicksilver, which will lock onto him and hit him. Even Surfer can not outfly/outmaneuver Mjolnir. And Thor can even hold onto Mjolnir while it does that.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I can see the House Of El have got truly desperate now. Using Gladiator (a Gladiator of unknown strength, speed and power mind you) beating Thor when Thor has clearly stated he was holding back.

I think you all need another reminder of what happened when Thor stopped holding back:

Looks like Twisting and Lowballing is all The House of El has at this point.

And Thor beating someone weaker than him after stopping holding back isn't surprising. Anyone can beat someone weaker than them with a few strikes. It doesn't mean he can do that to Superman who is much stronger and much more durable than both Thor and Gladiator.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Owned.

Cheerleading

Originally posted by abhilegend
We know how strong that Gladiator was, weaker than Thor by his own admission. Superman is stronger than both then. Its simple logic.

And Thor beating someone weaker than him after stopping holding back isn't surprising. Anyone can beat someone weaker than them with a few strikes. It doesn't mean he can do that to Superman who is much stronger and much more durable than both Thor and Gladiator.

Yeah except I never used that as "Proof" that Thor beats Superman. LOB though (and a lot of you backing him up just for the sake of it) are using it as proof that Superman would beat Thor, which is ridiculous given the context of him getting blitz when he did, and how it all ended when Thor went all out on him.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah except I never used that as "Proof" that Thor beats Superman. LOB though (and a lot of you backing him up just for the sake of it) are using it as proof that Superman would beat Thor, which is ridiculous given the context of him getting blitz when he did, and how it all ended when Thor went all out on him.

What is so hard to understand what happened there? And that Gladiator has no speed feats at all, Superman has speed feats that shit on anything Thor has faced. If Superman blitzes Thor, he would get KTFO. The notion that Thor has reflexes to counter Superman's blitz is laughable. Accept it and move on.

Originally posted by abhilegend

How the **** is it lowballing? Its been specifically mentioned in the very same comic to be a method of negating Asgardian immortality.

Was it specifically mentioned it only works on Asgardians? No.

If it can do that to an immortal asgardian soul, then what the heck do you think it would do to a mortal soul?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Speed kills here.

LOL Just like Flash kills Superman right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. You are creating imaginative way for Thor to battle here, Superman has actually speedblitzed before..

LOL Look whose talking. Either show me Superman landing a Dozen + Planet Busting punches in less time than Thor can even react, or just admit your the one making the fantasy scenario here.

Everything I've said about Thor are things he's actually done. Reacting to Lightspeed attacks? He's done it. Rocking High Heralds with Omni-Blasts? He's done it. Godblasts? He's done it. Soul draining? He's done it. Solar/Radaiaton/Power draining? He's done it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Flash has never used IMPs in a nanosecond. And in actual confronations, which is the stuff that actually matters Superman and Flash are pretty close in speed. Untill Flash enters Speed Force that is.

Yes he has. Against that speedster, when he said he can give him 1000 IMPS before even HE can blink, but 1 will suffice. So he at least did the one, in what was clearly a split split second. Whether it was a nanosecond or not wasn't quantified, although it likely was something close to that.

And no Superman and Flash are not close when Flash goes all out. This has been established for years.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or he was just flying away and streaking back down. He never used speed like he can do here.

LOL He used his speed to dodge Thor. Perhaps he just couldn't speed blitz Thor with his Microsecond movement, Lightning Blasts and Mjolnr Throws 😉

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's fine with me. Let me educate you on GLs. Even random GLs can react in nanoseconds.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Green%20Lantern/glmatterinversion.jpg

What the heck is that?

First of all show me Human GL's, not aliens who may have faster reflexes than Humans anyway. So show me Hal, Kyle, John or Guy REACTING in the Nanosecond.

Second show me combat REACTION feats, not character statements saying "oh in the nanosecond before this happened I did this" Bull Crap.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hal can move in nanoseconds.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/HalNanoseconds.jpg

So yeah, you are wrong.

😬 I thought you were going to show me GL's REACTING in Quantified nanoseconds.

All he's doing there is flying. You don't think Thor can fly that quickly? Lol

So far doesn't look like I was wrong at all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They routinely engage in fights while flying far faster than light. Have you seen Thor blitz someone like this?

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl189_16.jpg.

Urm... Actually yes i have! All he's doing there is flying fast and about to bullrush someone. You want me to show you Thor bullrushing Galactus.

Or the countless times Mjolnir has bullrushed opponents? (Thor can hold on to Mjolnir when it does that).

Originally posted by abhilegend
I can show you several such examples. Hal can keep up with fastest of them in the business, Barry Allen.

And you think Thor can't? Do you have no idea how fast he can fly and move with Mjolnir?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just like Batman.

Heck, he did it while he was sucker attacked.

So yeah, Thor is almost as fast as Batman. If I start showing how many people have dodged or blocked HV, there will be at least 100 examples here. I'd like to see the proof that either of them are lightspeed. Street levelers dodge/block lasers in practically every comic.

I'm sorry, but when was the last time Batman moved and did KO punches in Microseconds?

Clearly you can't tell the difference between 1 off PIS feats for a character, and consistent combat speed feats.

If you don't think that's PIS that Batman can dodge HV, even when shot at by surprise, and then even LOL Block it with a Lead Mirror, then I don't know what your on.

Iconic street levelers like Batman, Spider-Man and Wolverine have a lot of PIS feats like that. Get over it. With Spider-Man at least he has an early warning sense, with Batman it's just plain PIS.

Fine show me a street leveler whose dodged Eye beams consistently and reacted to speedsters consistently the way Thor has. The only one I see legitimately doing that is Spider-Man thanks to his Spider-Sense. Don't show me random PIS scenes form a million different ones, just show me 1 guy doing it consistently. Remember shooting from a weapon, or a hand doesn't count, because you can react to them moving their hands e.t.c.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's a single occurrence for Thor to be that fast. Its just too high a feat to be considered an average for him.

So yeah, a single feat 50 years ago doesn't mean much when Superman has blitzed much faster opponents.

LOL Lowballing because your not liking the feat. It's the highest QUANTIFIED reaction + Movement feat we have. But it's not his highest feat ever, not when you look at his consistent showing over the years of moving at super speeds, reacting to speedsters and light speed attacks, heck even outright catching vast superhuman speedsters.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But even if we consider it an average, Superman has blitzed people with microsecond reactions before. Even Darkseid has microsecond reactions and Superman blitzes the crap out of him.

Yeah comparing Darkseid's reactions to Thor's is more of a fair analysis than a Green Lantern LOL. Although even there Darkseid has not reacted, moved and thrown a punch in Quantified microseconds. Just his saying it's a microsecond.

Originally posted by abhilegend
If that's amazing for you, how would you like Superman not only protecting a baby but moving a considerable distance in a nanosecond?

Or blitzing Gog in a nanosecond and sealing him by turning coal into diamond before he could react.

With the baby feat, he mentions a nanosecond after he already has the baby. And all he is doing is flying. Thor can also fly, and bullrush at FTL speeds.

LOL are you just getting any comic where somebody just mentions the word NANOSECOND. "KAL I'm a Nanosecond ahead of you!"

It doesn't say or quantify anywhere there that what he was doing to Grog happened in a Nanosecond. And mistake me if I'm wrong but it seems there's 2 of them there blitzing him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Gog was able to operate in between a nanosecond.

http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/?action=view&current=gog_powers2.jpg

In fact, Rip Hunter had to step in between nanoseconds to approach Gog in speed.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/gog_powers4.jpg

Good for Grog!

And yet it seems Grog was quantified as being faster than Superman in those scans anyway.

Still you have utterly failed to show me:

1. Green Lanterns having faster reflexes, movements and combat speed than Thor.
2. Superman's ability to throw a Dozen + Planet Busting punches in less than a Micro second, which would be the MINIMUM feat required to knock out Thor before he can react.

So yeah, Superman is much faster than Thor. Its isn't even a contest TBH. Only Thorbags have delusions of being it close.

And Superman will be thousands of times faster than that even if we use Thor's highest reaction feat to date as an average.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And fails to react to low level speedsters like Wolverine, Angela, Daredevil, Spider-Man, Ian Rogers, Cobra, Balder, Captain America etc. So yeah, suck it up. Just recently Angela handed Thor his ass because she was much faster than him. Guess what Superman would do to him?

Ah and finally you end with the Lowballing. Which of course you had to do, because it's the only way you have an argument here.

Consistent feats is what matters not PIS showings. Thor has a history of combating and reacting to High Level Speedsters, Light speed attacks, and even moving at Vast Superhuman speeds himself.

You want to Lowball, well guess what, you've just shown me Superman failing to Blitz Shoot Batman.

At least Spider-Man, Wolverine, Captain America, Cobra and Balder actually have superhuman speed. Batman doesn't, yet Superman has failed to blitz him. So what chance does he have to Blitz Thor?

Yep that's right, I'm stooping down to your level of Lowballing/Trolling.

Originally posted by abhilegend
If Superman blitzes Thor, he would get KTFO. The notion that Thor has reflexes to counter Superman's blitz is laughable. Accept it and move on.

Dan Jurgens and Walter Simonson both disagree with you.

But keep pretending it's obvious 😆

Whatever helps you sleep at night!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dan Jurgens and Walter Simonson both disagree with you.

But keep pretending it's obvious 😆

Whatever helps you sleep at night!

DARTH POWER,

Please show me canon of Thor usuing the aforementioned abilities WITHOUT Mjolnir?

Also, please address how Thor was holding back against Count Nefaria.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Was it specifically mentioned it only works on Asgardians? No.

If it can do that to an immortal asgardian soul, then what the heck do you think it would do to a mortal soul?

Yep that's right, I'm stooping down to your level of Lowballing/Trolling.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
DARTH POWER,

Please show me canon of Thor usuing the aforementioned abilities WITHOUT Mjolnir?

Also, please address how Thor was holding back against Count Nefaria.

What the heck is wrong with you?

I'm getting attacked by at least 4 different people here and I don't just sit around on these boards all day and night.

Thankfully Celehyga came along and completely owned Delta 1938 getting that one out of my hair.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1) [B]Thor's abilities without Mjolnir- You've failed to answer my challenge. The point is conceded.

You are trying to obfuscate bringing up the "GODBLAST" and Mjolnir. I clearly acknowledged that the Godblast as the essence of Thor's power comes directly from him.

Bringing up as akin to the other abilities I mentioned, without showing proof is not going to work.

You can't show proof because NONE of Thor's canon supports your assertion.

NEXT. [/B]

Your not very smart are you?

I never once claimed Thor can teleport or use EVERY ABILITY without Mjolnir. I claimed the power is his, Mjolnir is a tool.

I claimed even without Mjolnir he's not helpless at all, because he can still control the weather, still has the same strength, can still do his Omni-Blasts, heck he can still amp his punches with Lightning.

And I find it hilarious that you're even contemplating that Superman is going to separate Thor from Mjolnir, simply because Gladiator (A GLADIATOR FROM THE FUTURE OF UNKNOWN POWER LEVELS) was able to do it when Thor was distracted with protecting an innocent.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
2) Gladiator- Here is the point for YOU, Carver, the lowly Thanosi, and your other cheerleader.

a) An inferior Superman analogue- Gladiator is a poor man's Superman and yet he was able to perform well against Thor. You dismiss EVERY aspect of the fight as being a function of Thor "HOLDING BACK".

[B]SO, Thor despite his comprable Superman level combat speed, ALLOWED Gladiator to separate Mjolnir from him.{/B]

If we take your assertion at face value it still does NOTHING to dimiss my point which is AGAIN the following.

[B]SUPERMAN OUTPACES HIS MARVEL ANALOGUES AND AS A CONSEQUENCE WILL REPLICATE THEIR PERFORMANCES AT A HIGHER LEVEL! [/B]

Keep looking at this picture, and keep reading the last panel until it sinks into your head:

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I brought up The Count Nefaria fight and you, ONCE AGAIN, acknowledge the events as Thor "HOLDING BACK". Even though Nefaria was clearly intent on MURDERING all of the Avengers.

Tell me did you see Thor use a godblast? No? Ok. How about a Soul Drain? No. Did he try to shrink him like he did Hyperion or change his molecular structure in any other way? No? Well Ok those are really rare powers which he'l only use in the most desperate of circumstances.

How about the powers he used more commonly? How about a simple energy drain? No? Not even that? Ok how about an attempted BFR by teleporting him off somewhere? Like he did against The Destroyer? No? Not even that?

Right how about the power of a thousand worlds added to a blast of Anti-Force like he did to Thanos and The Destroyer?

What not even that? How about just an Anti-Force bolt added to his Lightning? No?

Thor almost always holds back against Mortals, and only unleashes his true power against Powerful Immortals like Thanos, Destroyer, Galactus.

Superman would likely qualify as he's generally also considered an immortal, and is after all even stronger than Thor. Definitely at the very least Thor would unleash the power of a thousand worlds on him as well as his most powerful Anti-Force Blast, and if he absorbs any of his freeze breath/HV, then he will also amplify it's power and shoot that back at him too.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The Nefaria fight is much more indicative of what would actually happen. But, ironically enough, as a concession to YOUR scenario I used Gladiator to show a more even matchup involving a Superman.

Sure that's what would happen if Thor is Holding back against Superman. If you're out to prove that Superman can beat a holding back Thor, then you've succeeded 👆

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Feel free to actually ANSWER my arguments at any time.

Listen looser, the House of El is in full force here against little old me. I can't reply to 4/5 people every single day. I do have a life, a job and even a wife. So f****** chill will ya!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
P.S. Post the scan some more it is all you've got at this point! 😎

I will keep posting it until it sinks in. I will keep posting it while you keep bringing up irrelevant points which are answered by that pic!

Hint: You have to read the words as well!

Thor summoned a storm (without Mjlonir) from a realm away.

Mjlonir isn't the source of Thor's power. Thor power comes from within. Mjlonir just helps him control/focus it better.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor summoned a storm (without Mjlonir) from a realm away.

Mjlonir isn't the source of Thor's power. Thor power comes from within. Mjlonir just helps him control/focus it better.

Done it in Blood Oath too.

Originally posted by carver9
My boy Darth is in here owning. Good stuff buddy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Owned.

Finally, you guys realized your strength is at cheerleading, not debating g_grin

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Done it in Blood Oath too.

👆

Numerous and numerous of instances.

Originally posted by Bentley
Finally, you guys realized your strength is at cheerleading, not debating g_grin

😠

Originally posted by carver9
Thor summoned a storm (without Mjlonir) from a realm away.

Mjlonir isn't the source of Thor's power. Thor power comes from within. Mjlonir just helps him control/focus it better.

Carver, did you even bother to read the exchange I had with Darth about the issue of innate powers vs Mjolnir?

Obviously, YOU DIDN'T!

Your hero, Darth Power, ADMITTED that the exotic abilities demonstrated by Thor are in fact NOT a part of his powers outside of Mjolnir.

Your posting of Thor using ELEMENTAL POWERS, when through GAEA he receives these powers is ridiculous.

The Odinson is THE GOD OF THUNDER. Not of Transmutation, teleportation, energy draining, soul draining etc.

DO NOT come back in this thread again unless you bring, Carver Prime!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Carver, did you even bother to read the exchange I had with Darth about the issue of innate powers vs Mjolnir?

Obviously, YOU DIDN'T!

[B]Your hero, Darth Power, ADMITTED that the exotic abilities demonstrated by Thor are in fact NOT a part of his powers outside of Mjolnir.

Your posting of Thor using ELEMENTAL POWERS, when through GAEA he receives these powers is ridiculous.

The Odinson is THE GOD OF THUNDER. Not of Transmutation, teleportation, energy draining, soul draining etc.

DO NOT come back in this thread again unless you bring, Carver Prime! [/B]

You're nuts.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You're nuts.