Thor vs Superman

<<The galaxy itself wasn't destroyed by Surtur. The comic doesn't say anything about that, and Surtur doesn't wield that kind of power.>>

apologies, cube, you are correct about that. not sure how i misread it . . .

last bit of physics - a white dwarf forms when low and medium mass stars collapse in on themselves. the limit for a white dwarf (called chandrasekar's limit) is about 1.5 solar masses. if our sun became a white dwarf, all of its mass (almost no mass is lost in the compression process) would be compressed into an area about the size of the earth and a single sugar cube sized amount would weigh several tons. the larger the collapsing star's mass (up to the limit) the greater the density of the white dwarf. if a star has mass greater than about 1.5 (1.4 i think) solar masses, nuclear compression can't stop its collapse and it becomes a black hole. there would be no 'molten material' left.

anyhow, how strong is supes? good question, actually. i've been trying to figure out how much stronger i think he is myself. i'm really not sure. not a 'LOT' stronger, i don't think (both have done impressive things) but strong enough that it would make a difference. in straight h2h (without thor's hammer) i'd say supes (without superspeed or heat vision) would win 9/10. thor has been almost killed by hulk without his hammer, and that showing really was disappointing. supe's invulnerability is i think much better than thor's as well.

not sure that answers your question, but them's my thoughts.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The guy gave me a complement and you just trashed me. That wasn't kind at all. Do you search for everything I post and reply in hateful retaliation?

Help me understand. 🙁

CC, Juggernaut merely posts on the same threads as you he does not follow you around trashing your threads. That kind of thing can be funny though 😄 Only joking.

If you had read much precrisis you would know that he could on a dgood day match almost anyone 😄 including odin 😄

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The only feat I questioned. Thank you K3VIL.

The Black Hole in JLA #77 was inert. It was in a device that stole the JLA's memories. Batman was able to hold the very same microscopic black hole. Superman threw it into a boom tube.

Never read Luthor 2000.

Thor isn't out of this fight. He has a plethora of powers that I haven't even mentioned.

Huh? Batman didn't hold it--it would've killed him! He never touched it at all. They threw it into a wormhole...not boomtube.

Atom talking about the black hole: "The gravitational forces are off the scale in there, we're talking the extreme limits of physics here."

Superman was the only one who touched it...BUT whoever listed that as a feat was wrong. GL HELPED Superman hold the black hole afterwards! He backed him up using every ounce of willpower he had (you could see the green hands over Supe's)--and even still they could only hold it for a short time.

It's still an impressive display--but it's tainted because he got some outside help.

Superman can vibrate to turn himself invisible, but that's the limit (until Infinite Crisis--and his supposed upgrade).

Still, Thor wins 6 mebbe 7 out of 10. He has skill and magic on his side.

I still say Supes is stronger and faster though--Thor may have Godly reflexes and whatnot--but they've never showed him speedblitzing somebody.

Originally posted by DrDoom
Huh? Batman didn't hold it--it would've killed him! He never touched it at all. They threw it into a wormhole...not boomtube.

Atom talking about the black hole: "The gravitational forces are off the scale in there, we're talking the extreme limits of physics here."

Superman was the only one who touched it...BUT whoever listed that as a feat was wrong. GL HELPED Superman hold the black hole afterwards! He backed him up using every ounce of willpower he had (you could see the green hands over Supe's)--and even still they could only hold it for a short time.

It's still an impressive display--but it's tainted because he got some outside help.

Superman can vibrate to turn himself invisible, but that's the limit (until Infinite Crisis--and his supposed upgrade).

Still, Thor wins 6 mebbe 7 out of 10. He has skill and magic on his side.

I still say Supes is stronger and faster though--Thor may have Godly reflexes and whatnot--but they've never showed him speedblitzing somebody.

Batman didn't hold it. Sorry 'bout that. But, I remember something happening in JLA #77 that proved beyond reasonable doubt that the black hole's gravitational pull wasn't active. The Atom was able to crawl inside of Mnemon, and the black hole didn't even affect him. If the black hole's gravity was active, it would have pulled the Atom into it.

Superman threw it into the same wormhole it came out of. (I thought it was a boom tube.) 😮

Thor isn't going to speedblitz Superman. Superman's faster, but I believe that they are equal in strength.

It appears that current Superman can vibrate himself through attacks, but that's not a big deal, since Thor can stop time itself.

i say superman.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube

It appears that Superman can vibrate through attacks, but that's not a big deal, since Thor can stop time itself.

Can you get a scan on that or a story?

Has Thor ever stopped time to defeat a opponent?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
You mentioned Thor stopped time in Journey Into Mystery #110.

Can you get a scan on that or a story?

Has Thor ever stopped time to defeat a opponent?

Loki turns Jane Foster's house into a deathtrap while she and Thor are inside. While fighting their way out of the house, Jane is mortally injured. Thor stops time so Jane won't die.

I don't have a scan. I don't know if Thor has ever stopped time in a battle, but it's a viable tactic for this fight.

Well if he never done it in a fight I dont know if its viable or not.

He stopped time all by himself and no help from his father?

Superman would own Thor.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Batman didn't hold it. Sorry 'bout that. But, I remember something happening in JLA #77 that proved beyond reasonable doubt that the black hole's gravitational pull wasn't active. The Atom was able to crawl inside of Mnemon, and the black hole didn't even affect him. If the black hole's gravity was active, it would have pulled the Atom into it.

It's cool--noone can remember EVERY comic they read detail for detail.

Also, Atom used his white dwarf fragment to adjust his mass so he wouldn't be killed when he went inside the device. He's just pimp like that. Just ask his ex--she killed two people just so he would take her back.

How many tons can Thor lift?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Journeys into Mystery #110. Regular, old Thor.

Sounds suspicious. I believe thats a trick he would use more than once, and I know it wasnt during a battle.

How much can Thor lift?

Superman held the blackhole at first but GL backed him up on the way to throw it into the wormhole.

I dont know if Thor is that strong.

How much can Thor lift?

Originally posted by Zod4Life
How much can Thor lift?

Too much evidence out there showing Superman stronger than Thor.

Thanks.Superman would beat Thor into oblivion.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well if he never done it in a fight I dont know if its viable or not.

He stopped time all by himself and no help from his father?

Why would the power have to be exhibited in a fight to be viable? Thor doesn't fight that cheap in his comics. With no help from Odin, Thor stopped time with Mjolnir.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I dont know if Thor is that strong.

GL's helping him contain it. Perhaps Superman is stronger, perhaps he isn't. However, that does not hold much sway in this fight. If Thor stops time, there isn't anything Superman can do.

Originally posted by Zod4Life
Thanks.Superman would beat Thor into oblivion.

Fights aren't based on strength alone.