Blade vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
blade isnt a normal vampire that the whole thing about his character, wolverine isnt a daywalker nor would any of his powers grant him protection from those weaknesses

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because ALL anti-vampire arsenel works on ALL vampires. Which means that if Wolverine gets ahold of some of Blade's areenal it'd be useable against Blade, since Blade's a vampire too![/your logic]

I hope that's not the fight where after being shot by sclaphunter Wolverine ducks under the truck to get on top of scalphunter...

and wolverine wouldnt be different from vampires save for being faster and having adamantium claws

wolveriens healing factor cant save him from being turned t odust (One thing made apparent is that even when wolverine body is destroyed his soul is still intact and thriving, yet after being staked it would be destroyed)

Originally posted by Creshosk
Prove it. 🙂

and mutants have been turned into vampires before and demonstrated nothing unusual save for that they kept their powers

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
....no

and wolverine wouldnt be different from vampires save for being faster and having adamantium claws

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
wolveriens healing factor cant save him from being turned t odust (One thing made apparent is that even when wolverine body is destroyed his soul is still intact and thriving, yet after being staked it would be destroyed)

I finally got you to open up and start making claims that you CAN'T backup... took me a while to manipulate you to that point, but I finally got you to make these stupid claims.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
when spiderman was turned to a vampire he demonstrated all of their strengths and weaknesses, dracula and blade confirmed a steak wouldve ended him

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and mutants have been turned into vampires before and demonstrated nothing unusual save for that they kept their powers

The fallacy you keep commiting is the "sweeping generalization fallacy".

Which is illogical and therefore invalid. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
Prove it. 🙂

Again, prove it. 🙂

I finally got you to open up and start making claims that you CAN'T backup... took me a while to manipulate you to that point, but I finally got you to make these stupid claims.

what calims...the fact that mutants have been turned into vampires and demonstrated the same weaknesses, even spiderman demonstrated the same weakenesses a regular vampire had

do you have proof that somehow one of wolverines powers would grant him any unique ability to resist common weaknesses all vampires suffer from?

Originally posted by Creshosk
WOlverine is not Spiderman. 🙂

Wolverine isn't "Most mutants" as each mutant is different.

The fallacy you keep commiting is the "sweeping generalization fallacy".

Which is illogical and therefore invalid. 🙂

as mutants wit hhealing factor and powers similar to wolverines have been turned

what you're saying is while most mutants (even some with healing facotrs) can be turned into vampires and exhibit their weaknesses taht for some reason wolverine isnt one of them

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
what calims...the fact that mutants have been turned into vampires and demonstrated the same weaknesses, even spiderman demonstrated the same weakenesses a regular vampire had

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
do you have proof that somehow one of wolverines powers would grant him any unique ability to resist common weaknesses all vampires suffer from?

http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/adhom/burden.html

Originally posted by Creshosk
http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/adhom/general.html
🙂

Burden of proof is on your shoulders since you're claiming he would be the same as the other vampires and I'm claiming he would NOT be the same.

http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/adhom/burden.html

and in all the instances that mutnats have been turned they have demonstrated the same characteristics as normal vampires save for keeping their powers

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no it isn't a sweeping generalizatio nfallacy

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
as mutants wit hhealing factor and powers similar to wolverines have been turned

Which again leaves us with the problem with Blade. Did the morbius bite leave him a regular vampire?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
what you're saying is while most mutants (even some with healing facotrs) can be turned into vampires and exhibit their weaknesses taht for some reason wolverine isnt one of them

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no it isnt, you claimed he would be different and asked me to prove he would be different, therefore its on you to prove he would be different

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and in all the instances that mutnats have been turned they have demonstrated the same characteristics as normal vampires save for keeping their powers

Originally posted by Creshosk

Burden of proof is on your shoulders since you're claiming he would be the same as the other vampires and I'm claiming he would NOT be the same.

[url]http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/adhom/burden.html

you're committing the very fallacy you linked to....shifting the burden

"In easily verifiable claims, the person initiating the claim normally assumes the burden of proof. Not doing so, however, should probably not be considered a fallacy. The fallacy occurs whenever someone shifts the burden of proof to avoid the difficulty of substantiating a claim which would be very difficult to support."

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, you claimed he'd be the same. I asked you to prove it... proof's on your shoulders cause all you have is the sweeping generalization. 🙂

if he claims that he'd be the same then either

1) you agree, and therefore there is no need for proof

or

2) you disagree, in which case the burden of proof rests upon both of you

Originally posted by Creshosk
Of course you don't think so, you think you're using ssound logic, and you're the one making the fallacy.

That would be a sweeping gneralization. "Other mutants became regular vampires, therefore everyone becomes a regular vampire"

Which again leaves us with the problem with Blade. Did the morbius bite leave him a regular vampire?

Because assuming that each case would be the same as the last when the variables of the cases are all different... it becomes a sweeping generalization.

here thoug hwe have seen wolverine turned vampire and demonstrated nothing different than any other mutant,

since that was the only instance he has been turned (other than what if) we can only go off that

Originally posted by Master-Borg
you're committing the very fallacy you linked to....shifting the burden

"In easily verifiable claims, the person initiating the claim normally assumes the burden of proof. Not doing so, however, should probably not be considered a fallacy. The fallacy occurs whenever someone shifts the burden of proof to avoid the difficulty of substantiating a claim which would be very difficult to support."

🙂

Has Wolverine ever been a vampire in 616? Has it ever happened? Nope, not really.

So is there obtainable proof? Not in 616 there's not... but if 9250 is any indication... you know the world where he remained a vampire....

Originally posted by Creshosk
Sweeping generalization fallacy.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no sweeping generalization youre assuming that all are the same without proof

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
here thoug hwe have seen wolverine turned vampire and demonstrated nothing different than any other mutant,

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
since that was the only instance he has been turned (other than what if) we can only go off that

Gee, using fallacy to support fallacy... seems mighty fallicious.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
not if wolverine is included in that group

Or are we going off of a circular reasoning fallacy too?

Wolverine would exhibit the same weaknesses since he didn't not exhibit them?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Right because I'm the one that said that wolverine would be exactly like all the other vampires... Oh wait.. no that wasn't me.