Originally posted by Creshosk
Or even that based ona few samples they'd be the same.We can only go off of a sweeping generalization?
Gee, using fallacy to support fallacy... seems mighty fallicious.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678Oh Wolverine exhibited the same weaknesses on -panel?
how is it a sweeping gneralization is wolverine was a part of the vampire gorup and exhibitted the same characteristics on panel?
Then I'm sure you'd have no problems posting this on panel exhibition of the traditional weaknesses.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
actually you could...you're saying Wolverine wouldn't be like other vampires...a simple scan showing Wolverine demonstrating characteristics different from normal vampires would easily prove your point
When has wolverine been a vampire in 616 and been exposed to the same things that would kill a normal vampire?
he hasn't. So you're asking me to prove the othersides case for them. Hence the Burden of proof fallacy. Since you're championing that side the burden of proof is on YOUR shoulders.
"Since you can't prove he would NOT be the same then we have to assume he was."
Just like with the alien example... Since you can't prove she was NOT abducted by aliens we have to assume she was.
Originally posted by Creshoskactually, Im not saying he would be the same at all. Im saying there's as little evidence that he would be the same as there is to suggest he would be different...pretty much there is no evidence. Thus the burden rests equally on either side to make their case.
"Since you can't prove he would NOT be the same then we have to assume he was."
I love the argument agianst wolveirne now:
"Since you can't prove he would NOT have the same weaknesses, we have to assume he was because characters not entirely like wolveirne were and wolverine exhibited some of the same traits and you can't use evidence of the time that he did remain a vampire"
burden of proof fallacy
sweeping generalization
Equivocation, affirming the consequent, circular reasoning
supressed evidence fallacy
Originally posted by Master-BorgActually that's exactly what "the other side" is saying that you're defending.
actually, Im not saying he would be the same at all.
Originally posted by Master-BorgThe evidence he'd be the same is because other people that are different form wolveirne have been the same....
Im saying there's as little evidence that he would be the same as there is to suggest he would be different...
Originally posted by Master-BorgI'm saying he would NOT be the same. You can't prove a negative.
pretty much there is no evidence. Thus the burden rests equally on either side to make their case.
I mean we could use where he WAS turned into a vampire and was clearly not the same... but that's a "what if" comic and is therefore discarded even though its the "what if" you're asking me to prove and it agrees with what I'm saying...
So really its a surpressed evidence fallacy.
"What if wolverine was turned into a vampire?"
Well we can't use when it DID happen...
So we have to assume a bunch of fallicious information for the Blade side to be right.
Originally posted by Creshoskbtw, I agree with you...just because you can't prove something, you can't assume the opposite is true
I love the argument agianst wolveirne now:"Since you can't prove he would NOT have the same weaknesses, we have to assume he was because characters not entirely like wolveirne were and wolverine exhibited some of the same traits"
Originally posted by Creshosk
I love the argument agianst wolveirne now:"Since you can't prove he would NOT have the same weaknesses, we have to assume he was because characters not entirely like wolveirne were and wolverine exhibited some of the same traits and you can't use evidence of the time that he did remain a vampire"
burden of proof fallacy
sweeping generalization
Equivocation, affirming the consequent, circular reasoning
supressed evidence fallacy
Stop trying to use logic.
Reported.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
thats saying his healing factor has increased since his loss of his adamantium skeleton he has it back now so Im guessing it went back down...plus the recent decrease in power it has had a vampire bite would heal a lot slower, it took a while with spidermans radioactive blood for wolverine the vampire blood would last hours, even if it lasted only half an hour thats more than enough time
You're missing the point. The degree which it has gone down to is still more powerful than what it was immediately after getting his Adamantium Back after fatal attractions...
You people seem to think that Wolverine's HF has been reduced to worse than it was in the 70's and 80's or equivolent, but recent feats dictate otherwise.
Originally posted by jinzinoh do you have any recent feats? all the ones I'e seen have him being dropped by a couple of bullets, but I havent gotten a wolverine comic since he first met his son
You're missing the point. The degree which it has gone down to is still more powerful than what it was immediately after getting his Adamantium Back after fatal attractions...You people seem to think that Wolverine's HF has been reduced to worse than it was in the 70's and 80's or equivolent, but recent feats dictate otherwise.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
you keep posting scans before wolverine had a decrease in his kealing facotrbefore his healin factor was amazing but recently has has been put down from a few gun shots
he was dropped by a shot to the eye
he was out for several hours when sabretooth destroyed his heart (this too was before his healing factor decrease I believe)
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvie61dcp0028vr7.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvie61dcp0031ye8.jpg
On the other hand Wolverine has been stabbed in the heart by Lady Deathstrike and hasn't even slowed the pace of battle, he's had his heart blown up and recovered in three panels.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well he's already been shown to be effected by vampire bites.
Do you not get the point of lethality becoming a momentary annoyance. The bite wasn't lethal, it doesn't even rank as a momentary annoyance.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Let's see some scans of this werewolf instance. I remember Logan getting diced up by Maximus Lobo but he's not a werewolf of legend.
I'll post em later.
