He was so fast that Elektra could keep up with him in fight and Shadowcat could still react to phase in time... He was able to stab Northstar due to circumstance, and nothing in the fight with Thing indicated upgraded speed. That Thing was on his knees from a stab to the shoulder simply indicates Thing was portrayed as a pussy.
Creshosk was simply showing that at least the latter points information could be derived from the internet. He never stated you derived the information from the internet or respect thread - although it wouldn't be an unfair claim to lodge considering how often you do exactly such thing (or have done in the past). But you read comics now of course.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He was so fast that Elektra could keep up with him in fight
Wolverine was fighting SHIELD agents, Elektra just found the right moment.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
and Shadowcat could still react to phase in time... He was able to stab Northstar due to circumstance,
Yes and he was also able to stab Northstar who would have been able to see Wolverine despite the fact that Shadowcat was in the way.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
and nothing in the fight with Thing indicated upgraded speed.
The fact that Thing got stomped easily? In all fairness I am getting that info from scans but not Wolverine issue 28 or 25. Ive read both those issues.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Creshosk was simply showing that at least the latter points information could be derived from the internet.
Stop making escuse for him. I said that Northstar said that Wolverine had upgrades he tried to imply that you could find on the net. When he couldnt find it on the net he then said that it wasnt in the comic. He didnt show anything period.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
- although it wouldn't be an unfair claim to lodge considering how often you do exactly such thing.
Yes it would because I specfically state that I got the info from a comic.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneOh I can't believe I almost missed this. This is just precious. I'd love to see how this thread would be being discussed if the name Captain America was substituted for Wolverine.
EXCUSE ME. You telling me that Wolverine can take Namor underwater???? 🤨 He would get stomped! If Thing can take Namor underwater he can damn well give Wolverine a good fight.Namor underwater >>>>>>> Wolverine.
Yeah... Logical.. 🙄
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oh I can't believe I almost missed this. This is just precious. I'd love to see how this thread would be being discussed if the name Captain America was substituted for Wolverine.
No you failed utterly. My point about Captain America Koing Namor underwater is not that Captain America can beat Namor H2H underwater but he can KO somebody of Namors durability.
Obvoulsy Captain America was able to beat him because Namor was not fighting intellectually and was going beserk.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneNot the first time he was stabbed by Elektra in that comic, the second.
Wolverine was fighting SHIELD agents, Elektra just found the right moment.Yes and he was also able to stab Northstar who would have been able to see Wolverine despite the fact that Shadowcat was in the way.
The fact that Thing got stomped easily? In all fairness I am getting that info from scans but not Wolverine issue 28 or 25. Ive read both those issues.
Northstar and Shadowcat are looking perpendicular from where Wolverine enters. Wolverine lunges at them snarling. They both turn, except Shadowcat phases as she turns. Wolverine passes through Shadowcat into a turning Northstar. Circumstance. And nothing indicative of a speed upgrade.
If you've seen the fight with thing then I have no idea why you'd claim it implied a speed upgrade. There's nothing in there to indicate any such thing.
It was more the irony of the amount of shit you're willing to overlook for your beaus Captain America and Punisher if and when they do stupid inexplicable shit, while picking at examples of Wolverine doing things that are easily explicable in the context of the comic.
Captain America vs Blade, I envision: Captain America takes down Blade with ease with his FTL reaction speeds, Namor killing pressure points and Mach 1,000,000 shield tosses.
I have no idea why this thread is so long when pretty much every advantage imaginable is Wolverine's.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneYou're not implying that people under mind-control don't fight to the best of their ability or skill are you, I mean that's just silly.
Obvoulsy Captain America was able to beat him because Namor was not fighting intellectually and was going beserk.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It was more the irony of the amount of shit you're willing to overlook for your beaus Captain America and Punisher if and when they do stupid inexplicable shit,while picking at examples of Wolverine doing things that are easily explicable in the context of the comic.You're not implying that people under mind-control don't fight to the best of their ability or skill are you, I mean that's just silly.
Failed again. My point is that when people get brainwashed you cant assume that there fighting ability is affected. You ahve to provide evidence. In the case of Namor the fact is that he was going beserk and not using his head or using skill like he has in his other fights.
There is no evidence to say that Wolverines fighting abiltiy was affected in fact quite the opposite.
If you boethered to pay attention and stop ranting I have given explanations. Hell Northstar said Wolverine had upgrades. I didnt say it...he did. Was Kitty Pryde blocking Northstars vision....nope. It not my fault the facts are in my favour. As far as im concerned the upgrades did not make him as fast as Northstar but the element of suprise AND his upgrades helped him, without it he would have got stomped. Hell it could even be argued he was scared, did you hear him scream when he got stabbed....KITTTYYY!!!! (dont know why he would be scared though with his experience). However I think the upgrades were a major factor in why he got stabbed.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I have no idea why this thread is so long when pretty much every advantage imaginable is Wolverine's.
Well maybe if you read the thread you would know that nobody thinks that Blade wins the majority. So all this crap about bias is unjustified.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneEver hear of PIS? Or does it only come to you when it helps your poorly laid out argument?
No you failed utterly. My point about Captain America Koing Namor underwater is not that Captain America can beat Namor H2H underwater but he can KO somebody of Namors durability.Obvoulsy Captain America was able to beat him because Namor was not fighting intellectually and was going beserk.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneExcept that he was trying to fight off the mind-control that was trying to make him kill his friends, multicolored contradictory thought boxes were shown, multiple statements of his head being clouded, being completely out of it.
There is no evidence to say that Wolverines fighting abiltiy was affected in fact quite the opposite.
What on earth is there to suggest "the opposite" which I'm assuming you mean he had a non-depicted speed upgrade? That he managed to stab Northstar with the circumstances described above? Bullshit idiocy. The reason Northstar was stabbed was a girl named Shadowcat and her ability to phase. Without that circumstance it never would have happened and with the same circumstances a non-brainwashed Wolverine could have done the exact same thing.
Northstar said Wolverine had upgrades. Wolverine got a cloaking device, psi-blocker and teleporter. Please provide something, anything, so incredibly beyond a regular Wolverine's speed under the same circumstances that he did that would show he got anything beyond that. Getting hit in the face with a dumbell?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneMaking this threads longevity even stupider.
nobody thinks that Blade wins the majority.
Originally posted by Troop
Ever hear of PIS? Or does it only come to you when it helps your poorly laid out argument?
Ever read a Captain America comics SOCK. You would know that Cap has the capability to do it and if you read the comic you would know that Namor was not fighting to his best ability which left him wide open. dur
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Except that he was trying to fight off the mind-control that was trying to make him kill his friends, multicolored contradictory thought boxes were shown, statements of his head being clouded.
That is internal dialogue. Just because he has intenal dialogues that does not mean it affected his H2H skills. Furthermore it depends, in some cirumstance he is arguing with himself not to do things like killing the nurse but there is nothing from the internal dialogue at the time when he was attacking Northstar or Thing at that specific moment that showed he was conflicted.
Furthermore the ease in which he took out Thing indicates the internal dialogue did not effect his skills otherwise he would have had a harder time beating him.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What on earth is there to suggest "the opposite" which I'm assuming you mean he had a non-depicted speed upgrade? That he managed to stab Northstar with the circumstances described above?
Ok then explain to me why How kitty blocked his vision when
1. Northstar was right behind her
2. Taller than her
3. Wolverine had his arms oustreched and Kitty is not wide enough to block his view.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Making this threads longevity even stupider.
Then get lost.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneSHOE
Ever read a Captain America comics SOCK. You would know that Cap has the capability to do it and if you read the comic you would know that Namor was not fighting to his best ability which left him wide open. dur
I can play your weird game to, I read CA, still doesn't change the facts about you. 🙂
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneHe dodged some wires, ran up them and stabbed Thing whose arms were occupied, in the shoulder. Yeah that would require all of Wolverine's unimpaired skill and ability.
That is internal dialogue. Just because he has intenal dialogues that does not mean it affected his H2H skills. Furthermore it depends, in some cirumstance he is arguing with himself not to do things like killing the nurse but there is nothing from the internal dialogue at the time when he was attacking Northstar or Thing [B] at that specific moment that showed he was conflicted.Furthermore the ease in which he took out Thing indicates the internal dialogue did not effect his skills otherwise he would have had a harder time beating him.[/B]
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWolverine lunged at both of them as they were turning in his direction. Kitty phased, Northstar can't, ergo Northstar was stabbed. Ergo an uncommon situation with a whole lot of circumstance and absolutely nothing whatsoever to indicate a speed upgrade.
Ok then explain to me why How kitty blocked his vision when1. Northstar was right behind her
2. Taller than her
3. Wolverine had his arms oustreched and Kitty is not wide enough to block his view
Northstar said Wolverine had upgrades. He did. Wolverine got a teleporter, a psi-blocker and a cloaking device.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneNah, I think I'll go where I like, Kotex.
Then get lost.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He dodged some wires, ran up them and stabbed Thing whose arms were occupied, in the shoulder. Yeah that would require all of Wolverine's unimpaired skill and ability.
Scans because it looks like he was trying to hit him with something there.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wolverine lunged at both of them as they were turning in his direction. Kitty phased, Northstar can't, ergo Northstar was stabbed. Ergo an uncommon situation with a whole lot of circumstance and absolutely nothing whatsoever to indicate a speed upgrade.
All you said is that Kitty can phase. Thats completely unrelated. Lets try this again. How did Northstar not be able to stop Wolverine when he would have seen him.
Also saying there were cisrumtances and not explaing how the cirumstances affected Northstar does not explain your point. You might as well just say Northstar isnt fast enough to cath Wolverine and leave it at that.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Northstar said Wolverine had upgrades. He did. Wolverine got a teleporter, a psi-blocker and a cloaking device.
Nah, I think I'll go where I like, Kotex.
Jinzin decided that Wolverine had phyiscal upgrades due to what Northstar said therefore if were going to do that we can also assume that Wolverine had physical upogrades. Jinzin does not consider tech to be upgrades but tech.
Originally posted by jinzinNorthstar's upgraded abilities are flat out stated. Wolverine was said to have tech.
Which is not accurate "upgrades" where the exact words used.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Boy somebody certainly gets PISsy when they're backed into a corner.Love how X showed how hypocritical PZ is... But then X has always been good at owning people.
I also love how you still havent shown any evidence that Northstar saying that Wolverine had upgrades can be found on the net and the fact is if you read the issue you would know he said that.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I love how he implies that Northstar has perfect vision an is completely unblocked because Kitty is shorter...
😆 He doesnt need perfect vison all he needs to know is that hes there and he would have seen Wolverine were he was standing.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneACtually the fact that solid matter can pass through her is completely related. If she couldn't phase then she would have been stabbed... Okay well technically she would never have been there as she wouldn't have been a mutant...
Scans because it looks like he was trying to hit him with something there.All you said is that Kitty can phase. Thats completely unrelated.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneProve he would have been able to completely see him and wasn't hindered in the slightest.
Lets try this again. How did Northstar not be able to stop Wolverine when he would have seen him.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneThe fact that yes, his vision was blocked, the fact that he was turning... Ignoreing what people say doesn't mean they didn't say it.
Also saying there were cisrumtances and not explaing how the cirumstances affected Northstar does not explain your point.
Originally posted by Phantom Zoneno, that's your desperate interpitation of the events. ignoring the circumstances of Kitty's presence...
You might as well just say Northstar isnt fast enough to cath Wolverine and leave it at that.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWhat does it matter?
Jinzin decided that Wolverine had phyiscal upgrades due to what Northstar said therefore if were going to do that we can also assume that Wolverine had physical upogrades. Jinzin does not consider tech to be upgrades but tech.Which is not actually true "upgrades" where the exact words used.
For all we know he was talking about Wolverine adamantium bonded skeleton... again, do you have any evidence of his speed upgrades?
"He stabbed thing"
Yes because a trained martial artist is going to have a hard time moving faster than someone made out of rock... I realize it doesn't slow him down, but bricks tend to be slower than the martial artists.
Plus there's that thing that you do all the time called 'ignoring context'. LEts ignore the circumstances around an event and just look at the end result. WE'll ignore all the fighting that wolverine went through before and say that bullets can put him down just to give the likes of .. oh say.. punisher... a win by shooting him. 😐
Originally posted by Creshosk
ACtually the fact that solid matter can pass through her is completely related. If she couldn't phase then she would have been stabbed... Okay well technically she would never have been there as she wouldn't have been a mutant...Prove he would have been able to completely see him and wasn't hindered in the slightest.
The fact that yes, his vision was blocked, the fact that he was turning... Ignoreing what people say doesn't mean they didn't say it.
no, that's your desperate interpitation of the events. ignoring the circumstances of Kitty's presence...
What does it matter?
For all we know he was talking about Wolverine adamantium bonded skeleton... again, do you have any evidence of his speed upgrades?
"He stabbed thing"
Yes because a trained martial artist is going to have a hard time moving faster than someone made out of rock... I realize it doesn't slow him down, but bricks tend to be slower than the martial artists.
Plus there's that thing that you do all the time called 'ignoring context'. LEts ignore the circumstances around an event and just look at the end result. WE'll ignore all the fighting that wolverine went through before and say that bullets can put him down just to give the likes of .. oh say.. punisher... a win by shooting him. 😐
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneHe ran up the wires Thing was swinging around.
Scans because it looks like he was trying to hit him with something there.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneNorthstar and Shadowcat are semi-crouching at the same level, and both looking in the perpendicular direction. They both turn towards Wolverine as he lunges, but only one of them has the ability to phase and she does so while turning. Northstar was mid-turn at normal speed when Wolverine passed through Kitty and into him. As for how he snuck up on him perhaps he teleported in lunging, perhaps he used the cloaking device if it was still functional.
All you said is that Kitty can phase. Thats completely unrelated. Lets try this again. How did Northstar not be able to stop Wolverine when he would have seen him.Also saying there were cisrumtances and not explaing how the cirumstances affected Northstar does not explain your point. You might as well just say Northstar isnt fast enough to cath Wolverine and leave it at that.
Shadowcat is the circumstances. And that Shadowcat reacted in time to phase, or that Elektra can still stab him with relative ease, or that Daredevil can hit him in the face pretty much shows that he wasn't any faster than normal.
In the exact same scenario, the same thing could be written as plausibly with a Wolverine not hindered by brainwashing.
It was a bad day for Northstar, that doesn't imply Wolverine's speed was further enhanced in any way. But then it's not up to me to prove a negative, feel free to provide proof-positive any time, Kotex.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneThat's nice. I'm not jinzin.
Jinzin decided that Wolverine had phyiscal upgrades due to what Northstar said therefore if were going to do that we can also assume that Wolverine had physical upogrades. Jinzin does not consider tech to be upgrades but tech.Which is not actually true "upgrades" where the exact words used.
Wolverine had a psi-blocker, teleporter and cloaker. Prove he had anything else mayhaps?