Blade vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I also love how you still havent shown any evidence that Northstar saying that Wolverine had upgrades can be found on the net and the fact is if you read the issue you would know he said that.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
😆 He doesnt need perfect vison all he needs to know is that hes there and he would have seen Wolverine were he was standing.

I love how you still haven't done that.

Originally posted by Creshosk
ACtually the fact that solid matter can pass through her is completely related. If she couldn't phase then she would have been stabbed... Okay well technically she would never have been there as she wouldn't have been a mutant...

Prove he would have been able to completely see him and wasn't hindered in the slightest.

The fact that yes, his vision was blocked, the fact that he was turning... Ignoreing what people say doesn't mean they didn't say it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Ok then explain to me why How kitty blocked his vision when

1. Northstar was right behind her
2. Taller than her
3. Wolverine had his arms oustreched and Kitty is not wide enough to block his view.

Originally posted by Creshosk

For all we know he was talking about Wolverine adamantium bonded skeleton... again, do you have any evidence of his speed upgrades?

Yes but one of the issues is that wether he said it or not what type they were. You tried to prove that it could be googled but people were still backing you up eventhough you were wrong.

Originally posted by Creshosk

"He stabbed thing"

Yes because a trained martial artist is going to have a hard time moving faster than someone made out of rock... I realize it doesn't slow him down, but bricks tend to be slower than the martial artists.

You seem fail to understand that if his brain washing affected hia bility to fight he would had more toruble than usual taking down Thing...yes? Thing maybe be slower but you fail to understand hes no psuhover, hell they guy has fought Namor underwater. Which therfore implies that if Wolverines fighting abiltiy had been depleted he would have had toruble beating him.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Plus there's that thing that you do all the time called 'ignoring context'. LEts ignore the circumstances around an event and just look at the end result. WE'll ignore all the fighting that wolverine went through before and say that bullets can put him down just to give the likes of .. oh say.. punisher... a win by shooting him. 😐

Oh give it a rest. 🙄

Or that Thing was simply portrayed as a pussy who goes down to a stab to the shoulder. What was so incredibly skilled about running up a thick bunch of wires and stabbing someone who has always been much slower than you in the shoulder, while their hands are occupied holding the wires, while missing the head and heart you were seemingly aiming at?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes but one of the issues is that wether he said it or not what type they were.

Kitty's faster than Northstar? She reacted to phase by Northstar, whom was behind Shadowcat... didn't...

Did Shadowcat get speed upgrades as well?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You tried to prove that it could be googled but people were still backing you up eventhough you were wrong.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You seem fail to understand that if his brain washing affected hia bility to fight he would had more toruble than usual taking down Thing...yes?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Thing maybe be slower

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
but you fail to understand hes no psuhover, hell they guy has fought Namor underwater.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Which therfore implies that if Wolverines fighting abiltiy had been depleted he would have had toruble beating him.

Thing's not so durable as to not be effected by those claws.

Wolverine is already faster than Thing you even just admited it.

You just fail.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh give it a rest. 🙄 [/B]

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He ran up the wires Thing was swinging around.

😆 Is that it! Because he swung a wire at him all of a sudden Thing was at a massive disadvantage? Lol if Wolverine fighting was badly affected it could damn well be argued he would have got hit by it.

The wire would have weighed next nothing you might as well say that because Wolverine stabbed Cap in the arm when he swung his shield that this somehow creates some unfair cirumstances. Failed.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Northstar and Shadowcat are semi-crouching at the same level, and both looking in the perpendicular direction.

He still taller than her when crouching. Failed.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

They both turn towards Wolverine as he lunges, but only one of them has the ability to phase and she does so while turning. Northstar was mid-turn at normal speed when Wolverine passed through Kitty and into him.

Thats brilliant utter fail. Northstar still woudl have seen him and Northstar is still loads of times faster than Wolverine.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

As for how he snuck up on him perhaps he teleported in lunging, perhaps he used the cloaking device if it was still functional.

No he dindt read the comicbook and stop speculating you hypocrite. Theres no evidence whatsoever to imply that he was cloaked or teleported.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Shadowcat is the circumstances. And that Shadowcat reacted in time to phase,

She wasnt shiitng herself. Northstar was. Shadowcat is not speedstar but she is a highly trained MA and she had a cool head. Most importantly all she had to do was think she dindt have to apprehend or even lift a finger, I could be wrong but im pretty sure she must have pahsed in time before bullets and lasers could hit her so she must be able to phase pretty fast, shes not faster than Northstar but its not impossible for her to pahse before somebody of Northstar speed hits her Eventhough Northstar is faster I think the upgrades, suprise + fear made the difference. That still doesnt change tha fact Northstar would have seen him.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

or that Elektra can still stab him with relative ease,

Did you hear what I said. Wolverine was fighting tons of SHIELD agents at the time. Elektra found an opening.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

or that Daredevil can hit him in the face pretty much shows that he wasn't any faster than normal.

Not not really. The thing is you think that im saying that he had massive speed upgrades im not.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

In the exact same scenario, the same thing could be written as plausibly with a Wolverine not hindered by brainwashing.

Most of the evidence shows Wolverine doing better than normal not less.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

It was a bad day for Northstar, that doesn't imply Wolverine's speed was further enhanced in any way. But then it's not up to me to prove a negative, feel free to provide proof-positive any time, Kotex.

Thats one way of looking at it OR another way of looking at it is that Wolverine used stealth and his upgrades to get them.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

That's nice. I'm not jinzin.

I dont care just imagine im jinzin then agree with everything im saying.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's not proof.. comon prove that he could see her. and quit ignoring the circumstances.

And you still have'nt proven it..

Kitty's faster than Northstar? She reacted to phase by Northstar, whom was behind Shadowcat... didn't...

Did Shadowcat get speed upgrades as well?

And You ignored where I conceded that it couldn't be found... well NOW it can...

Why would he? You're severely underestimating Wolverine's speed or overestimating Things...

Exactly...

Because being in water makes you faster...

Because Thing is stronger?

Thing's not so durable as to not be effected by those claws.

Wolverine is already faster than Thing you even just admited it.

You just fail.

So you have no way to counter that? Do you finally concede or do you still think that?

Utter rubbish. Your not listening stop wasting my time 👇

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
😆 Is that it! Because he swung a wire at him all of a sudden Thing was at a massive disadvantage? Lol if Wolverine fighting was badly affected it could damn well be argued he would have got hit by it.

The wire would have weighed next nothing you might as well say that because Wolverine stabbed Cap in the arm when he swung his shield that this somehow creates some unfair cirumstances. Failed.

He still taller than her when crouching. Failed.

Thats brilliant utter fail. Northstar still woudl have seen him and Northstar is still loads of times faster than Wolverine.

No he dindt read the comicbook and stop speculating you hypocrite. Theres no evidence whatsoever to imply that he was cloaked or teleported.

She wasnt shiitng herself. Northstar was. Shadowcat is not speedstar but she is a highly trained MA and she had a cool head. [B]Most importantly all she had to do was think she dindt have to apprehend or even lift a finger, I could be wrong but im pretty sure she must have pahsed in time before bullets and lasers could hit her so she must be able to phase pretty fast, shes not faster than Northstar but its not impossible for her to pahse before somebody of Northstar speed hits her Eventhough Northstar is faster I think the upgrades, suprise + fear made the difference. That still doesnt change tha fact Northstar would have seen him.

Did you hear what I said. Wolverine was fighting tons of SHIELD agents at the time. Elektra found an opening.

Not not really. The thing is you think that im saying that he had massive speed upgrades im not.

Most of the evidence shows Wolverine doing better than normal not less.

Thats one way of looking at it OR another way of looking at it is that Wolverine used stealth and his upgrades to get them.

I dont care just imagine im jinzin then agree with everything im saying.

Utter rubbish. Your not listening stop wasting my time 👇 [/B]

Your a funny guy.

Originally posted by Troop
😂

Your a funny guy.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
😆 Is that it! Because he swung a wire at him all of a sudden Thing was at a massive disadvantage? Lol if Wolverine fighting was baldy affected he could damn well be argued he would have got hit by hit.

The wire would have weighed next nothing you might as well say that because Wolverine stabbed Cap in the arm when he swung his shield that this somehow creates some unfair cirumstances. Failed.

What was so incredibly skilled that it would require all of Wolverine's unimpaired ability and a non-existent speed upgrade about running up a thick bunch of wires and stabbing someone who has always been much slower than you in the shoulder, while their hands are occupied holding the wires, while missing the head and heart you were seemingly aiming at?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He still taller than her when crouching. Failed.

Thats brilliant utter fail. Northstar still woudl have seen him and Northstar is still loads of times faster than Wolverine.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No he dindt read the comicbook and stop speculating you hypocrite. Theres no evidence whatsoever to imply that he was cloaked or teleported.

Thing is I knew I was speculating there, ergo "perhaps." But about things that he was actually shown to have and could have used. You're actually under the delusion that you're not speculating about things that there's no evidence of him having and thus couldn't have used.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
She wasnt shiitng herself. Northstar was. Shadowcat is not speedstar but she is a highly trained MA and she had a cool head. Eventhough Northstar is faster I think the upgrades, suprise + fear made the difference. That still doesnt change tha fact Northstar would have seen him.

You thinking non-existent speed upgrades was some sort of clinching factor in Wolverine stabbing Northstar means Wolverine had a speed upgrade. And the proof of that upgrade is, well that Wolverine managed to stab Northstar. What lovely reasoning. I like the circle shape.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Did you hear what I said. Wolverine was fighting tons of SHIELD agents at the time. Elektra found an opening.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Not not really. The thing is you think that im saying that he had massive speed upgrades im not.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Thats one way of looking at it OR another way of looking at it is that Wolverine used stealth and his upgrades to get them.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont care just imagine im jinzin then agree with everything im saying.

Thing is I don't need to write "Fail" at the end of each of my posts, anyone reading this knows you do, generally always anyway.

Originally posted by Ha-Son
in a dumb way...

Originally posted by Troop
Obviously.

peaches

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Thats one way of looking at it OR another way of looking at it is that Wolverine used stealth and his upgrades to get them.

Which ones? The ones that there was no evidence of or the one that you're not arguing?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Theres no evidence whatsoever to imply that he was cloaked or teleported.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The thing is you think that im saying that he had massive speed upgrades im not.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What the hell? I wasn't implying anything with the statement about Thing swinging wires. You asked what he was doing, and I answered, you bizarre freak.

What was so incredibly skilled that it would require all of Wolverine's unimpaired ability and a non-existent speed upgrade about running up a thick bunch of wires and stabbing someone who has always been much slower than you in the shoulder, while their hands are occupied holding the wires, while missing the head and heart you were seemingly aiming at?
Both looking in the perpendicular direction. Both turn normal speed. Phased. Stabbed. I'm not going to write full sentences for the play-by-play of what happened if I'm going to have to repeat myself.Okay then he teleported miles away and ran with his Quicksilver-level upgraded speed at them so fast that Shadowcat still managed to phase.

Thing is I knew I was speculating there, ergo "perhaps." But about things that he was actually shown to have and could have used. You're actually under the delusion that you're not speculating about things that there's no evidence of him having and thus couldn't have used.
Surprise. And fear. Ergo circumstances. Like you know circumstances like the uncommon scenario of having someone between you and the lunging Wolverine who can phase.

You thinking non-existent speed upgrades was some sort of clinching factor in Wolverine stabbing Northstar means Wolverine had a speed upgrade. And the proof of that upgrade is, well that Wolverine managed to stab Northstar. What lovely reasoning. I like the circle shape.
Did you read what I wrote? Not the first time, the second time, after Wolverine had already broken her sai.
Well that's nice. Feel free to provide something to show there were any upgrades besides a psi-blocker, teleporter and cloaking device at all, when you know, so far they're non-existent speed upgrades.
It's the only way on panel to look at it. Since there's absolutely nothing to indicate any physical upgrade.
Was that an attempt at a jab, Kotex? Meow. Jinzin and I have disagreements documented via the magic of the interwebz, I still don't consider him a retard or a douche. That last part is particularly relevant I think.

Thing is I don't need to write "Fail" at the end of each of my posts, anyone reading this knows you do, generally always anyway.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which ones? The ones that there was no evidence of or the one that you're not arguing?

Your both wasting my time and im not going to respond to your posts anymore. However I actually come to the conclusion that the upgrades were refered to were just tech. 😆 Its just irritating when certain posters will agree with another one because he said it. Also I can see ceratin posters speculating and then criticising me when I do it. 👆

However I dont think his brainwashing affected his ability to fight. I dont see how the fight with Daredevil and Wolverine would have gone any other way regardless of brainwashing. DD is better at dodging and could evade alot of Wolverines attacks, however he would die in the end. His fight with Thing did not indicate that brainwashing affected him or how he got Northstar.

Wolverine is a top tier MA however unlike fighters like Cap and DD he has alot more low showings, so I dont see what the big deal is.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Your both wasting my time and im not going to respond to your posts anymore. However I actually come to the conclusion that the upgrades were refered to were just tech. 😆 Its just irritating when certain posters will agree with another one because he said it. Also I can see ceratin posters speculating and then criticising me when I do it. 👆

However I dont think his brainwashing affected his ability to fight. I dont see how the fight with Daredevil and Wolverine would have gone any other way regardless of brainwashing. DD is better at dodging and could evade alot of Wolverines attacks, however he would die in the end. His fight with Thing did not indicate that brainwashing affected him or how he got Northstar.

Wolverine is a top tier MA however unlike fighters like Cap and DD he has alot more low showings, so I dont see what the big deal is.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Your both wasting my time and im not going to respond to your posts anymore. However I actually come to the conclusion that the upgrades were refered to were just tech. 😆

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

You're not implying that people under mind-control don't fight to the best of their ability or skill are you, I mean that's just silly.

He's been implying that the entire time... That's how the upgrade argument started.

When it was pointed out to blade fans that their "official" stats not only accredit Wolverine with superhuman strength nowadays, it was also pointed out that the same "official" sources say that Wolverine has two levels of fighting ability over Blade.

Alf tried to argue that his higher levels of fighting ability don't mean anything citing Mind Controlled Wolverine vs. DD as an example and going on to state "he even had upgrades that allowed him to tag Northstar".

In spite of ignoring the Northstar context, AND having panels that outright state Wolverine was trying to fight his mind control Alf insists there's no proof to say that Wolverine's mind control, nor the three voices in his head had any affect on his fighting ability... Thus,
according to Alf's logic, DD> Level 7 fighting ability Wolverine who's fast enough to tag Northstar.

DD> Someone who's as good as Cap in skill, and faster cause of his phantom "upgrades".

I wonder what happens when we ask him what he thinks of DD vs Cap?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You didnt rebut a damn thing you refused to use your head. Again.

1. Cap knew about ninjutsu before DD was born
2. Even when he came out of ice DD hadnt started his career or had already started.
3. He constanly trains all the time. When this was stated he was doing combat training in the Danger room
4. He learns extremely fast as well he learnt an ALIEN martial art in one day. While over people took decades.

If you have somebody has studied MA before DD was born who trains constantly all the time and learns extremely fast he is going to know more MA and have more experience.

🙄

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
All you said is that Kitty can phase.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Jinzin decided that Wolverine had phyiscal upgrades due to what Northstar said therefore if were going to do that we can also assume that Wolverine had physical upogrades. Jinzin does not consider tech to be upgrades but tech.

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What? No I didn't!
My whole argument this entire time has been that he DIDN'T have physical upgrades, the kind that would make a difference in a h2h, and the fact that Wolverine only had "upgrades" by way of tech.

I deduced that Northstar had physical upgrades since he stated he did, he even ventured to mention them in New X-Men to an extent iirc.

Exactly, I don't consider tech to be upgrades... so why do you insist that I think Wolverine had upgrades in spite of me arguing against that notion since we started this discussion?

Oh right, because you're losing again, grasping again, and unable to comprehend AGAIN.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
😆 Is that it! Because he swung a wire at him all of a sudden Thing was at a massive disadvantage? Lol if Wolverine fighting was badly affected it could damn well be argued he would have got hit by it.

Originally posted by jinzin
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What? No I didn't!
My whole argument this entire time has been that he DIDN'T have physical upgrades, the kind that would make a difference in a h2h, and the fact that Wolverine only had "upgrades" by way of tech.

I deduced that Northstar had physical upgrades since he stated he did, he even ventured to mention them in New X-Men to an extent iirc.

Exactly, I don't consider tech to be upgrades... so why do you insist that I think Wolverine had upgrades in spite of me arguing against that notion since we started this discussion?

Oh right, because you're losing again, grasping again, and unable to comprehend AGAIN.

Not In Wolverine issue 28 he didnt all we knew was that he had light. Again you seem to fail to understand if his brainwashing was affceting his ability to fight he would have had problems with Thing and tagging Northstar. It doesnt matter how you spin it Northstar would have seen Wolverine. i'll concede it wanst tech

Originally posted by jinzin

I wonder what happens when we ask him what he thinks of DD vs Cap?

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Whats that got to do with anything.

Originally posted by jinzin
He did get hit... 😕

With the wire?