HOTU Thanos vs Scathan the Approver,Phoenix,LT & Infinites

Originally posted by Mr Master
He bit off more than he could chew, but he wasn't insane,
he was a spoiled brat with absolute power.

Clear not absolute power, but as said he seemed close to insane, him believing himself to be TOAA and so forth.

Actually you said is this the only mention of Toaa name,
is this pis comic and by an insane boy?

I pointed out the scan where the LT mentioned TOAA's by name. [/B]

Yes I can see the formulation isn't quiet accurate from my part regarding that question, a more accurate formulation would simply be is this comic the only time TOAA has been mentioned, btw do you have more scans illustrating that TOAA has been named more then at this incident?

Originally posted by starlock

Still no definitive proof,
how many times will the same scans be used to say nothing?...

I clearly posted NEW scans.
(although I'll post whatever scan/s I feel like,
who ever doesn't like it,
can simply ignore my name and my scans)

On top of that,
make no mistake,
I am NOT trying to convince you of anything,
it's apparent no amount of evidence will do that.

Originally posted by starlock

The writers stated a supreme power...i am fine with that,
as supreme power has been used many times before.....

Show us the many times before,
that a so called "Supreme Power" has been depicted stomping the LT.

Meh, try and show just one incident.

Originally posted by starlock

but until i see a scan or bio stating it was TOAA's Power ......
its all speculation...

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER

Thanos absorbed LT, effortlessly absorbed LT,
and the only thing more powerful than the LT is.......?

I personally believe it was the Almighty's power.
The Marvel Handbook states that the only thing more powerful than the LT is the Supreme being,
and with reference to the Almighty and the Supreme One,
in the actual story on panel, i find it hard to see otherwise.

Only intransigence would see it otherwise,
that,
or an agenda driven person.

Originally posted by starlock

the writers purposely left out the name "The One Above All" for a reason,
thats it, anything else is speculation..
no matter how many scans or how much abc logic is applied....

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2. TOAA

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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Thanos became the Almighty Supreme Being/destroyer/Creator of the Marvel Universe.

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Here's Thanos' 2008 bio: (at the bottom)

Except for Thanos' own Bio:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thanos

" ... Known as the Heart of the Universe,
from which all energy physical and metaphysical emanates,
and thereby gained infinite power ...

... Thanos decided that the true sign of his ultimate power,
would be to destroy the universe
and become the One true Supreme Being ... "
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I mean, come on already! 😱

Meh, I won't entertain these circles much longer.

Originally posted by starlock

Does TOAA appear in the comic? simple question?

TOAA/God has only officially appeared once on panel in FF#511.

Originally posted by starlock

what some are doing,
is trying to make a set rule that the HOTU cannot be beaten because its TOAA'apower......

let the feats speak for themselves...i think its enough on its own

THOTI can't be beaten,
because it absorbed effortlessly the most powerful entity in Marvel (LT)

The LT's ONLY Superior is TOAA.

On Panel, according to the LT himself,
there is ONLY One above him in power. (TOAA again)

Originally posted by starlock

The fact that you bye into the Only thing more powerfull that LT is TOAA...
is disturbing...no disrespect...

Originally posted by starlock

show me those words?

show me the scans that state that exactly how you phrase it?

This is the actuall quote,
and phrased the way it is with a judge of the multiverse,
its kinda misleading
"The Living Tribunal's ONLY superior is TOAA"

Now how misleading is that....
my superior here at my job....
would make in his pants if i were to threaten him and start fighting with him...whats that proove....

One of the meanings of the term "SUPERIOR" is,

"Greater in size or Power"

And evidently,
that's exactly what Marvel is referring too concerning the term "Superior"

PROOF .. as always!

Protege tells the Living Tribunal and Eternity:

"My POWER escalates, it frightens the next level of the Hierarchy,
acknowledge my SUPERIORITY ...

I am the most POWERFUL being there ever was,
I will SURPASS you all"

Living Tribunal responds

"Impossible! There is ONLY One above the Living Tribunal"

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hmm ... Power - Superiority - Powerful!

hmm ... "There is ONLY One above" (more Powerful) than the LT:

"The Living Tribunal's ONLY Superior is TOAA"

Originally posted by starlock

now about 50 new posters
and people who are not so savy will say
"The Only thing more powerfull that LT is TOAA....

😆

I never seen anyone toot their horn so undeservingly so.

Originally posted by starlock

why not just make a thread and ask Mr Master who wins?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

There is a difference between allusion and confirmation.

I'm not saying HOTI is NOT the supreme beings power. That was certainly suggested on panel.
I'm just saying it was not confirmed conclusively on panel or in a bio.
The fact that Thanos constantly used references such as "Almighty" and "Supreme being" is not confirmation. He called the Infinity Being supreme and "God". That was far from the case.
The ONLY character to be any kind of authority on the supreme being is LT. No confirmation came from LT.
Would we accept what Jubilee says about the nature of Galactus just because she says it? Would we accept what she said about Galactus because Cyclops or Storm never disagreed with her? They just let her babble on?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

LT is said to be second only to TOAA. Lt was defeated by HOTI.
Does that mean HOTI equals Gods power?

Not necessarily. It certainly suggests that. It doesnt confirm it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

For all we know, the hierarchy was revised. It is not set in stone.

This just gets better and better.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Phoenix was stated to be second only to God.
Does that mean every being who has defeated a host was channeling the power of God?

Phoenix has never even created a single Universe.

Phoenix has never destroyed all that is,
heck, not even just the 616 reality,
bah, only two single alternate realities, and they were in "What If" issues..

So of course anyone claiming that Phoenix is second or third or tenth to God is preposterous.

Thanos, on the other hand,

did in fact, absorb the LT & the hierarchy, and nearly every other hero/villain ever,
did in fact absorb all of Time-Space,
did in fact, re-create all of Time-Space/the hierarchy including the LT.

BIG ass difference dogs.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

For all we know, it was just an M Body of LT's.
An LT M Body was found in the Dimension of Manifestations so we know he uses them.

The LT exists everywhere simultaneously,
One LT, One M-body, that can manifest anywhere/everywhere simultaneously.

Not that this matters,
because M-bodys possess the Full Power of the Concept they give form to.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Akhenatens bio refers to the HOTI as a vast power,
no divine reference was made.
None has been in any bio
and none was made on panel by the only authority on the supreme being we know of........LT

Except for Thanos' own Bio:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thanos

" ... Known as the Heart of the Universe,
from which all energy physical and metaphysical emanates,
and thereby gained infinite power ...

... Thanos decided that the true sign of his ultimate power,
would be to destroy the universe
and become the One true Supreme Being ... "

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Official Marvel Handbook as well:

"Thanos eradicated the Order, they ... Pronounced him GOD" ...

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm

There is a difference between that which is alluded to
and that which is made conclusive via official sources.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

You're telling me it was officially confirmed. Where?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

On panel it was alluded to. However the only being on panel that could give a creditable assessment of the matter was LT and he said no such thing.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

In Marvel, LT is the only being who communes directly with the supreme being. ANYONE other than LT's opinionis not good enough.

Eternity also relates to the Supreme Being:
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Eternity's "Lord and Master" is the Almighty Supreme Being TOAA/God.

Thanos knew "Eternity could SENSE" he had become the new Supreme Being because of this:

Nice try, as usual.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

"... Thanos decided that the true sign of his ultimate power,
would be to destroy the universe "

That quote from the bio tells us what Thanos thought its not stating what actually is the case.

If destroying the universe is what it takes to become a supreme being then we've got a problem here

Spin, spin, spin away.

Originally posted by Mr Master
✅

inlove

Originally posted by Mr Master
Round and round we go.

😆

Bull shit

Eternity also relates to the Supreme Being:
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Eternity's "Lord and Master" is the Almighty Supreme Being TOAA/God.

Thanos knew "Eternity could SENSE" he had become the new Supreme Being because of this:

Nice try, as usual.

lmfao

Spin, spin, spin away.

All according to Thanos.

Therein lays the problem 🙁

Good try though 👆

Originally posted by Mr Master
Because the PF is a joke to the cosmic hierarchy.

Mr Master, no offence, but you do know that is the most stupid answer you could provide?

Having so many jokes compared to Phoenix Force who battled THOTI,
also having so many non cosmic beings who fought THOTI, the answer is really just stupid.

I don't know, they probably just forgot it.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Clear not absolute power,
but as said he seemed close to insane,
him believing himself to be TOAA and so forth.

Again, Protege didn't think he was TOAA,
he wanted to be TOAA:

Protege was a spoiled brat with near absolute power.

Like all spoiled children he wanted everything,
in his innocence he thought he could achieve that.

Originally posted by Utrigita

a more accurate formulation would simply be is this comic the only time TOAA has been mentioned

Originally posted by Utrigita

btw do you have more scans illustrating that TOAA has been named more then at this incident? [/B]

Originally posted by Xplosive

Mr Master, no offence,
but you do know that is the most stupid answer you could provide?

Originally posted by Xplosive

Having so many jokes compared to Phoenix Force who battled THOTI,
also having so many non cosmic beings who fought THOTI,
the answer is really just stupid.

Originally posted by Xplosive

I don't know, they probably just forgot it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again, Protege didn't think he was TOAA,
he wanted to be TOAA:

Protege was a spoiled brat with near absolute power.

Like all spoiled children he wanted everything,
in his innocence he thought he could achieve that.

He did at one point think he was TOAA
http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=toaa1mb2.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=toaa2be3.jpg

I Agree near absolute power, but the spoiled part where do you see that?

Actually TOAA has been mentioned in other arcs.

I'll post them soon. [/B]

Cool thanks

Originally posted by Mr Master
Or they probably knew the PF is a joke. 😏

Then they should exclude 99% of those who fought THOTI, because they are joke to the Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Like all spoiled children he wanted everything,
in his innocence he thought he could achieve that.

Nice bit of speculation there.

Send me a PM when your opinions stated on panel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Inconsequential.

TOAA/God has only officially appeared once on panel in FF#511.

Funny you should say that,
because it IS the FEATS that tell us,
the HOTI was indeed the Supreme Being's power withIN the Omniverse.

THOTI can't be beaten,
because it absorbed effortlessly the most powerful entity in Marvel (LT)

The LT's ONLY Superior is TOAA.

On Panel, according to the LT himself,
there is ONLY One above him in power. (TOAA again)

dontgetit

The mistake you're making dude,
is you're comparing your real world logic to a comic book.

One of the meanings of the term "SUPERIOR" is,

"Greater in size or Power"

And evidently,
that's exactly what Marvel is referring too concerning the term "Superior"

[B]PROOF .. as always!

Protege tells the Living Tribunal and Eternity:

"My POWER escalates, it frightens the next level of the Hierarchy,
acknowledge my SUPERIORITY ...

I am the most POWERFUL being there ever was,
I will SURPASS you all"

Living Tribunal responds

"Impossible! There is ONLY One above the Living Tribunal"

..........................................................................

hmm ... Power - Superiority - Powerful!

hmm ... "There is ONLY One above" (more Powerful) than the LT:

"The Living Tribunal's ONLY Superior is TOAA"

So about 50 new posters,
plus all the other posters lack your savy,
because we all agree that TOAA is more powerful than the LT?

😆

I never seen anyone toot their horn so undeservingly so.

Why not just make a thread and wait for GS to post so you can know what to say next. [/B]

I agree with the feats and would have ThanosTHOTU win against all odds, that was not my intention, his feats are amazing and cant be denied.......
but you get one pass at trying to insult me...thats all...dont try and tell me to wait for GS and be all tuff, i will respond and i wont be nice...try an get some perspective when dealing with me, i have been nothing but polite and respectfull....but i will bring your name and all your foul mouthed post and the lies and the misleading scans i still have saved for the tuff guy you think you are...so go and get my first post i made and get ready to show every post of yours around it, you have been good for awhile, but i dont play with children well, and i will have nothing but pleasure from showing the boards what you really are...got it...good

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

All according to Thanos.

Therein lays the problem

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"I was Everything ... bonded to Omni-Reality"

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What would a being that absorbed the LT like a mote in a storm, know about it:

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What would a being that erased all of Time-Space in Marvel, know about it?

"Nothing remained"

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Meh, not to mention that the "embodiment of ALL Time" also said it:

"Relinquish the Supreme Power you have stolen"

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But what does Eternity know. durznuts

Originally posted by Mr Master
Right, what would a being that is everything in the Omniverse, know about it?

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"I was Everything ... bonded to [B]Omni-Reality"

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What would a being that absorbed the LT like a mote in a storm, know about it:

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What would a being that erased all of Time-Space in Marvel, know about it?

"Nothing remained"

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Meh, not to mention that the "embodiment of ALL Time" also said it:

"Relinquish the Supreme Power you have stolen"

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But what does Eternity know. durznuts [/B]

Im not even going to get into that uni/multiverse argument with you.

On panel and within bios its confirmed that only a universe was affected, but whatever, i cant be bothered to start that up, just so i have to ignore pages of you ignoring canon. 🙂

Where you're going wrong is that you're using Thanos word to prove that Thanos' opinion that you think is right.

Do you see why thats a bit silly? 😬

When you have a statement from the only character confirmed by canon to commune and have contact with TOAA, when you have a bio that actually states your opinion as opposed to just calling HOTI a vast power source, then you'll have something.

Good effort all around though clapping

Originally posted by starlock

I agree with the feats and would have ThanosTHOTU win against all odds,
that was not my intention, his feats are amazing and cant be denied.......

Originally posted by starlock

but you get one pass at trying to insult me...thats all...
dont try and tell me to wait for GS and be all tuff

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=482044&pagenumber=4

Originally posted by starlock

why not just make a thread and ask Mr Master who wins?

Originally posted by starlock

i will respond and i wont be nice...

Originally posted by starlock

try an get some perspective when dealing with me,
i have been nothing but polite and respectfull....

If you were dealing with the poster, Unnatural Power,
you should've kept it there, and kept my Name out of it.

You're disrespecting Unnatural Power by telling him that,
and you're disrespecting me, by using my name to disrespect him.

Originally posted by starlock

but i will bring your name and all your foul mouthed post and the lies and the misleading scans i still have saved for the tuff guy you think you are...

Originally posted by starlock

so go and get my first post i made and get ready to show every post of yours around it, you have been good for awhile, but i dont play with children well, and i will have nothing but pleasure from showing the boards what you really are...got it...good

GS can you post the scan/s wherein Phoenix has sub-atomic control of the Universe 616 within the palm of her hand please pal?

It's not that i don't believe it, i would like to see it, if you have them accessible.

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Or Mr M if you have them and you don't mind uploading for my benefit, it's a learning curve!

Originally posted by Mr Master
Right, what would a being that is everything in the Omniverse, know about it?

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"I was Everything ... bonded to [B]Omni-Reality"

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What would a being that absorbed the LT like a mote in a storm, know about it:

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What would a being that erased all of Time-Space in Marvel, know about it?

"Nothing remained"

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Meh, not to mention that the "embodiment of ALL Time" also said it:

"Relinquish the Supreme Power you have stolen"

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But what does Eternity know. durznuts [/B]

Look, it doesn't work that way. They are asking you for giving them, where it says directly that THOTI is the TOAA power.
You can't give them that and you know it. Admit that you can't give them for what they are asking you, but can only provide them connections and for what you think is logical that you can assume THOTI being TOAA power withing the Omniverse. GS is not denying it may very well be, but you cannot prove them directly that.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im not even going to get into that uni/multiverse argument with you.

On panel and within bios its confirmed that only a universe was affected, but whatever, i cant be bothered to start that up, just so i have to ignore pages of you ignoring canon. 🙂

Where you're going wrong is that you're using Thanos word to prove that Thanos' opinion that you think is right.

Do you see why thats a bit silly? 😬

When you have a statement from the only character confirmed by canon to commune and have contact with TOAA, when you have a bio that actually states your opinion as opposed to just calling HOTI a vast power source, then you'll have something.

Good effort all around though clapping

Wow. You fail. I would call this trolling since you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.