Originally posted by quanchi112This argument is flawed in that even recently, Ds has been all around more impressive than Superman. Taking 2 low showings and trying to play off them as if they are a the definate measuring sticks for ones ability, is downright silly no matter how you try to draw it. Especially considering that Ds performs well against beings whom would stem roll Supes. I don't see how the hell you could still find that ideal logical. It's a poor attempt at trying to demean feats, like a the markings of a bad liar.
Yes ok so you agree he has two wins against Darkseid. So you admit he has beaten Darkseid recently. The point is my friend tha Darkseid cant beat him with ease any more like he once could, they are equals so to speak in a fight. I was actually hoping Ds would win in countdown 3 but it was exactly what we saw before. An even fight that was stopped because Ds used his powers on Plsen to take down Supes. Ds cant beat his ass anymore and Supes isnt afraid to lower the boom and knock Darkseid all over the place. They are even steven.
Shadow demons beating Supes isnt the same as Ds beating him. As I just said Ds couldnt beat his ass on his own in countdown three. In dong8 Superman flew through an amped Darkseid's body and crushed it. if you want me to throw that in there. Mantis and Kalibak beating Superman is something that mighty Ds cant really do on his own anymore. So this comparison fails.Lulz, the shadow demons are a part of Ds's powerset and by that clause alone, he bested him in that situation. Mantis and Kalibak were powered by Ds, so unless you trying to insinuate that those two are some how more powerful than Ds himself, than your just kidding yourself. And don't tell me that different characters match up differently against other characters, because using that analogy in that manner is pure rubbish.
Orion wasnt more powerful than ever,he just came in there at an opportune moment. He was tired from fighting Superman and then Olsen. He wasnt fresh and thats why Orion did what he did. 🙂Orl?
"However, Orion's death is less permanent than it appears. The Source itself manages to recover Orion's soul, and restores him in a mute energy projection to face Darkseid, who now has access to the slain New Gods residual energies. Due to his lineage, Orion is able to tap into this same power source, putting him on an even footing with his father. Darkseid retreats when the Source moves to destroy Apokolips, claiming that their battle will only be delayed.
In the end, Darkseid attempts to directly claim the entire energy of the slain New Gods from Jimmy Olsen (who has been used as a living vessel for their power), only to fail thanks to the intervention of the Atom. It is then that Orion arrives via Boom Tube, apparently restored to his original body, to end his endless fight with Darkseid. In order to comply with the prophecy, he kills Darkseid by ripping his heart out, creating a firepit of Apokolips from Darkseid's chest cavity. A battered, wounded Orion walks away evidently to die of his wounds, refusing any care or external help. Whether his resurrection would have been permanent in any case is unknown."
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomUhm Superman has been written more powerful as of late while Darkseid has taken a backseat until fc.
This argument is flawed in that even recently, Ds has been all around more impressive than Superman. Taking 2 low showings and trying to play off them as if they are a the definate measuring sticks for ones ability, is downright silly no matter how you try to draw it. Especially considering that Ds performs well against beings whom would stem roll Supes. I don't see how the hell you could still find that ideal logical. It's a poor attempt at trying to demean feats, like a the markings of a bad liar.Lulz, the shadow demons are a part of Ds's powerset and by that clause alone, he bested him in that situation. Mantis and Kalibak were powered by Ds, so unless you trying to insinuate that those two are some how more powerful than Ds himself, than your just kidding yourself. And don't tell me that different characters match up differently against other characters, because using that analogy in that manner is pure rubbish.
Orl?"However, Orion's death is less permanent than it appears. The Source itself manages to recover Orion's soul, and restores him in a mute energy projection to face Darkseid, who now has access to the slain New Gods residual energies. Due to his lineage, Orion is able to tap into this same power source, putting him on an even footing with his father. Darkseid retreats when the Source moves to destroy Apokolips, claiming that their battle will only be delayed.
In the end, Darkseid attempts to directly claim the entire energy of the slain New Gods from Jimmy Olsen (who has been used as a living vessel for their power), only to fail thanks to the intervention of the Atom. It is then that Orion arrives via Boom Tube, apparently restored to his original body, to end his endless fight with Darkseid. In order to comply with the prophecy, he kills Darkseid by ripping his heart out, creating a firepit of Apokolips from Darkseid's chest cavity. A battered, wounded Orion walks away evidently to die of his wounds, refusing any care or external help. Whether his resurrection would have been permanent in any case is unknown."
I am not trying to say they are low showings. I am saying he hasnt been Superman outright in a long time. He stalemated him at the end of Imperiex I believe. Supes beat him in Supes/Batman and apokolips now. He ran into Supes in Superman Batman later on and fled. He ran into Supes in countdown 3 and the fight was as even as they come. Darkseid was bloodied as well. What fights am I missing here. I am not twisting anything it is what it is. They are equals.
Who are these powerful beings that Darkseid has beaten that can whip on Supes? Name them.
The shadow demons arent a part of his powerset. He did it once and you consider that in his regular assortment of powers? No he didnt use them on Supes in any personal encounter did he?
Kalibak and Mantis beat Supes with a lucky punch something Darkseid has failed to do on his own in the past ten years.
Orion defeated Darkseid and thats that. I think he benefited from both of his earlier confrontations.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm Superman has been written more powerful as of late while Darkseid has taken a backseat until fc.I am not trying to say they are low showings. I am saying he hasnt been Superman outright in a long time. He stalemated him at the end of Imperiex I believe. Supes beat him in Supes/Batman and apokolips now. He ran into Supes in Superman Batman later on and fled. He ran into Supes in countdown 3 and the fight was as even as they come. Darkseid was bloodied as well. What fights am I missing here. I am not twisting anything it is what it is. They are equals.
Who are these powerful beings that Darkseid has beaten that can whip on Supes? Name them.
The shadow demons arent a part of his powerset. He did it once and you consider that in his regular assortment of powers? No he didnt use them on Supes in any personal encounter did he?
Kalibak and Mantis beat Supes with a lucky punch something Darkseid has failed to do on his own in the past ten years.
actually there isn't much that isn't in darksied's power set. name something that he can't do. with in reason. he can't like remake the universe, but he clearly manifest and controls the shadow demons. he also has control of part of the ale in case you have forgotten. also part of his powers now.
Originally posted by fangirl101If he had the ale in his powerset why didnt he use it in countdown? Tell me why he didnt use it when thats all it took. Because he didnt have it anymore.
actually there isn't much that isn't in darksied's power set. name something that he can't do. with in reason. he can't like remake the universe, but he clearly manifest and controls the shadow demons. he also has control of part of the ale in case you have forgotten. also part of his powers now.
The shadow demon thing he used once. He never used it while in direct conflict. It isnt at his disposal like you think it is.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If he had the ale in his powerset why didnt he use it in countdown? Tell me why he didnt use it when thats all it took. Because he didnt have it anymore.The shadow demon thing he used once. He never used it while in direct conflict. It isnt at his disposal like you think it is.
i don't understand how you come up with your statements. so just becuz thor didn't use the god blast on the hulk means he doesn't have it? just becuz superman doesn't use superspeed on someone means he doesn't have it?
the ale is knowlege. it's not an item that can be taken away. it's a skilled learned. now explain how he lost a skill he learned?
fangirl101.
Originally posted by fangirl101Because the Source took it back and was unified. I dont think even Scott Free had it after his confrontation with the Source. Did you read dong?
i don't understand how you come up with your statements. so just becuz thor didn't use the god blast on the hulk means he doesn't have it? just becuz superman doesn't use superspeed on someone means he doesn't have it?the ale is knowlege. it's not an item that can be taken away. it's a skilled learned. now explain how he lost a skill he learned?
fangirl101.
Originally posted by fangirl101You read comics and have informed opinions. Nothing to apologize for at all. In fact, it's refreshing. But nevertheless, I do disagree with some of your interpretations. For instance, Drax w/ Power Gem does not equal Thor w/ Power Gem. Thor could and did access the Power Gem on a conscious level because he knew what it was, like when he deflected Warlock's karmic blast and Dr. Strange's mystic attacks. Drax never had any idea that the Power Gem was anything more than candy or a pretty stone. He ate it when Adam Warlock gave it to him. The Power Gem grants power based on the user's will. As this scan states, Drax would never access the Power Gem consciously. Which is exactly why Adam Warlock gave it to Drax:
k, i hate to be miss know it all, but thor was not >> all those people. they were trying not to hurt him. and the power gem really let thor kinda like block out people's manipulation powers. so dr. strange couldn't really cast any note worthy spells. drax with the power gem and thor with the power gem is the same. there is no difference. and both would be round superman lvl in strength.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Nicely done.
You read comics and have informed opinions. Nothing to apologize for at all. In fact, it's refreshing. But nevertheless, I do disagree with some of your interpretations. For instance, Drax w/ Power Gem does not equal Thor w/ Power Gem. Thor could and did access the Power Gem on a conscious level because he knew what it was, like when he deflected Warlock's karmic blast and Dr. Strange's mystic attacks. Drax never had any idea that the Power Gem was anything more than candy or a pretty stone. He ate it when Adam Warlock gave it to him. The Power Gem grants power based on the user's will. As this scan states, Drax would never access the Power Gem consciously. Which is exactly why Adam Warlock gave it to Drax:
You seem to be a wellinformed,knowledgeable poster. Where have you been hiding,lol.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You read comics and have informed opinions. Nothing to apologize for at all. In fact, it's refreshing. But nevertheless, I do disagree with some of your interpretations. For instance, Drax w/ Power Gem does not equal Thor w/ Power Gem. Thor could and did access the Power Gem on a conscious level because he knew what it was, like when he deflected Warlock's karmic blast and Dr. Strange's mystic attacks. Drax never had any idea that the Power Gem was anything more than candy or a pretty stone. He ate it when Adam Warlock gave it to him. The Power Gem grants power based on the user's will. As this scan states, Drax would never access the Power Gem consciously. Which is exactly why Adam Warlock gave it to Drax:
i was speaking on a strength lvl only. champion, drax, and thor all tapped the gem for unlimted strength caps. something the hulk does routinely with no power gem. but thanks. i'd already said that thor was using the power gem to block stranges powers, hence why he really didn't beat anyone with outright power.
Originally posted by fangirl101Thor was using the gem in ways that Drax never dreamt of so right there you are admitting that Thor is much more of a threat than Drax ever was.
i was speaking on a strength lvl only. champion, drax, and thor all tapped the gem for unlimted strength caps. something the hulk does routinely with no power gem. but thanks. i'd already said that thor was using the power gem to block stranges powers, hence why he really didn't beat anyone with outright power.
Thor beat the crap out of a team that would literally destroy Darkseid. I say this a huge degree of certainty. You see even Darkseid admitted in his latest confrontation that he was surprised it was just Superman that showed up to stop him. I think Superman replied to the effect of they would only get in the way. You see Darkseid couldnt defeat one member of the jla anymore on his own as he could in the distant past. That and the fact that one green lantern,Raker looked to have the upper hand when one on one with Darkseid.
Originally posted by fangirl101The source unified with the ale. When the Infinity Man thrall battled with Scott Free who possessed the ale it resulted in the Source becoming one with the anti life being again.
the source took back the ale? what page? what panel? i read all of it. i must have missed that part.
Originally posted by fangirl101
superman and thor are not peers. superman has far more feats than thor. and greater ones. superman is also stronger and more durable than thor. so it's much easier for thanos to knock thor around than it would be to knock superman around. superman is also far faster. so it would mean thanos wouldn't hit superman nearly as much as he hits thor. now, since i believe superman to be far stronger and more durable than thor, that would mean that darksied is also stronger and more durable than thor. and darksied actually on more than one time, been shown to be stronger than superman. so that would mean superman has grown in strength over time. which i think he does anyway. so it would be within reason to think that superman, thanos, and darksied are all around the same lvl in strength. even tho technically, thanos has no strength feats. only smacking people around. also, darksied can just turn into a giant and dwarf thanos in strength. besides, darksied has all these other powers that thanos doesn't have. so this discussion is just for kicks at this point.
Superman beats thor in both duribility and the strength department. yep totally agree with ya.
beating him in feats????????????
thats retarded id say they are bout even.
this is if we are talking bout reg supes and reg thor. then id give the edge to thor on feats.
Supes big wins are against physical powerhouses.
thor can beat powerhouses lesser gods , hes even put up fights against skyfather types like zeus and held his own.
Supes cant do this hes to limited to the oponents he can fight. Thor can deal with them all and he has.
Originally posted by zeelI agree that Supes has him in strength and durability. But Thor is simply more powerful. The hammer is the equalizer also. Its a close fight thats for sure.
Superman beats thor in both duribility and the strength department. yep totally agree with ya.beating him in feats????????????
thats retarded id say they are bout even.
this is if we are talking bout reg supes and reg thor. then id give the edge to thor on feats.
Supes big wins are against physical powerhouses.
thor can beat powerhouses lesser gods , hes even put up fights against skyfather types like zeus and held his own.
Supes cant do this hes to limited to the oponents he can fight. Thor can deal with them all and he has.