Thanos vs Darkseid(the final time before final crisis)

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes is more powerful then Thor by a wide margin, Thor w/pg couldnt take supes so that argument is useless. Not to mention Supes has cheapshotted DS with a haymaker shot that didn't even stun him...not even a bloddy nose. DS would use the drax energy and simply punch through Thanos for the win.

Supes blasted him in countdown and he bled. Supes blasted him in Superman/Batman and he bled there as well.

You rest I wont respond to as its ridiculous. Darkseid cant defeat Supes and form k-nite on his own. He needed Olsen to do this so in his own pwerset he cant do this yet you think he can mimic Drax?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes is more powerful then Thor by a wide margin, Thor w/pg couldnt take supes so that argument is useless. Not to mention Supes has cheapshotted DS with a haymaker shot that didn't even stun him...not even a bloddy nose. DS would use the drax energy and simply punch through Thanos for the win.

I suppose if you want to ignore the basic knowledge rule and the fact that Darkseid doesn't even have Kronos' Abstract power... yeah, I don't see Darkseid punching through Thanos with Drax's "Thanos-cide" power. That kind of assumption is as believable as Thanos knowing where to steal Source energies, actually obtaining them and then punching through Countdown Darkseid's chest with them.

Originally posted by fangirl101
darksied is not comparible to galactus unless he's a giant. not that it matters. thanos isn't even anywhere near as powerful as darksied. nor is thanos anywhere near as durable or strong or fast as superman. thanos has energy fist which is why he hits so hard. but we never see him doing any for real awesome strength feats on his own without those energy hands. and that could just be to add zing to his punches.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Huh?

Superman and Thor are peers while Thanos could destroy either of these two. We know Thanos is above them because these two have met and were very impressed with one another with supes getting a close win. Thanos also destroys the Surfer who could get the majority against Superman.

superman and thor are not peers. superman has far more feats than thor. and greater ones. superman is also stronger and more durable than thor. so it's much easier for thanos to knock thor around than it would be to knock superman around. superman is also far faster. so it would mean thanos wouldn't hit superman nearly as much as he hits thor. now, since i believe superman to be far stronger and more durable than thor, that would mean that darksied is also stronger and more durable than thor. and darksied actually on more than one time, been shown to be stronger than superman. so that would mean superman has grown in strength over time. which i think he does anyway. so it would be within reason to think that superman, thanos, and darksied are all around the same lvl in strength. even tho technically, thanos has no strength feats. only smacking people around. also, darksied can just turn into a giant and dwarf thanos in strength. besides, darksied has all these other powers that thanos doesn't have. so this discussion is just for kicks at this point.

Originally posted by fangirl101
superman and thor are not peers. superman has far more feats than thor. and greater ones. superman is also stronger and more durable than thor. so it's much easier for thanos to knock thor around than it would be to knock superman around. superman is also far faster. so it would mean thanos wouldn't hit superman nearly as much as he hits thor. now, since i believe superman to be far stronger and more durable than thor, that would mean that darksied is also stronger and more durable than thor. and darksied actually on more than one time, been shown to be stronger than superman. so that would mean superman has grown in strength over time. which i think he does anyway. so it would be within reason to think that superman, thanos, and darksied are all around the same lvl in strength. even tho technically, thanos has no strength feats. only smacking people around. also, darksied can just turn into a giant and dwarf thanos in strength. besides, darksied has all these other powers that thanos doesn't have. so this discussion is just for kicks at this point.

Darkseid couldnt turn into a giant and if you had read countdown you would have known he was tapping into the dead new gods souls and when he lost the power connection he shrank down to normal and then was beaten by Orion.

Thanos is in another league than Superman and thor who are peers. The fought and it was canon and it was close.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos knocked thor around and hung with him while he had the power gem. this made Thor>Strange,Warlock,Maxam and the Infinity watch. This Thor would beat Supes bummy.

Darkseid couldnt turn into a giant and if you had read countdown you would have known he was tapping into the dead new gods souls and when he lost the power connection he shrank down to normal and then was beaten by Orion.

Thanos is in another league than Superman and thor who are peers. The fought and it was canon and it was close.

k, i hate to be miss know it all, but thor was not >> all those people. they were trying not to hurt him. and the power gem really let thor kinda like block out people's manipulation powers. so dr. strange couldn't really cast any note worthy spells. drax with the power gem and thor with the power gem is the same. there is no difference. and both would be round superman lvl in strength.

as for countdown, that is not correct, darkseid has been a giant before countdown. he can turn giant any time he wishes. he turned into a giant when he made stayne. he was also a giant when he came back from the dead for a little bit in his one shot.

superman is as strong and durable as thanos. there is no other top tier in comics who has his strength feats and durability feats. superman doesn't have a bunch of powers. thor does. the only reason they are peers is becuz of thors versatility. if you take away thor's hammer and powers, superman would cake walk all over him. so clearly, superman and thor are not peers in strength and durability. which means superman and darksied both are peers with thanos.

Supes has physical and durability feats which dwarf Thanos and even some skyfathers. Saying Thanos has greater durability is obsured considering he was cut bad by wolverine...and bleed to Thor. DS would simply use his power to create the Thanos-cide and punch through Thanos.

darkseid is more everything(minus intelligent)than thanos because, thats the way DC comics operates. BUT imo thanos is far more cunning/intelligent and will do something to sway the victory, cheating is not below thanos.

Or bad writing...mind telling me why SS doens't use his superspeed/superreflex while fighting Thanos?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes has physical and durability feats which dwarf Thanos and even some skyfathers. Saying Thanos has greater durability is obsured considering he was cut bad by wolverine...and bleed to Thor. DS would simply use his power to create the Thanos-cide and punch through Thanos.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Or bad writing...mind telling me why SS doens't use his superspeed/superreflex while fighting Thanos?

king kong was far slower than the bi-planes shooting him but they were fleas in comparison to him.

in their first meeting, thanos humbled ss enough to make me believe he could have killed him on a whim. as stated by marvel, the way to kill a pc character is to hit them with more pc energy than was invested into them, that is how gabriel lan the origional air-walker died. thanos has a lot more pc than ss so do the math....

Why do people continue to view Ds and Superman as peers? He's beaten him more than Supes beat him, and he has been shown to own people far above Superman's level constantly. So exactly how can they be the same level, when that's not even what occurs in the comics, most of the time?

Originally posted by fangirl101
k, i hate to be miss know it all, but thor was not >> all those people. they were trying not to hurt him. and the power gem really let thor kinda like block out people's manipulation powers. so dr. strange couldn't really cast any note worthy spells. drax with the power gem and thor with the power gem is the same. there is no difference. and both would be round superman lvl in strength.

as for countdown, that is not correct, darkseid has been a giant before countdown. he can turn giant any time he wishes. he turned into a giant when he made stayne. he was also a giant when he came back from the dead for a little bit in his one shot.

superman is as strong and durable as thanos. there is no other top tier in comics who has his strength feats and durability feats. superman doesn't have a bunch of powers. thor does. the only reason they are peers is becuz of thors versatility. if you take away thor's hammer and powers, superman would cake walk all over him. so clearly, superman and thor are not peers in strength and durability. which means superman and darksied both are peers with thanos.

Drax,Champion,and Thor were all viewed as different with the power gem. If you had read any of this you would be aware that Thor with the power gem was a maniac compared to Champion who Thanos toyed with while Drax was always an idiot when he had the gem.

So you are saying if you take away Thors hammer and powers when then he would be a normal guy. Thats like saying take away Hal Jordans ring. 😂

No superman doesnt have the impressive trackrecord that Thanos has. He has been mauled by Cyborg,knocked stupid by Kalibak,cant seem to beat Orion in their short little battles,overcome easily by shadow demons,looked dead even with Black Adam,etc.

Now we have Thanos physically hurting the Maker,dismissing Thors hammer like it was nothing,engaging Tyrant who is near Galactus level,throwing down with Odin in Asgard,beating the Surfer like a red headed step child(who by the way is another character who would defeat Supes).

They are in another league. Darkseid has been known to need outside help to defeat Superman nowadays. Thanos doesnt lose to top tiers while Darkseid just got his heart torn out by one.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes has physical and durability feats which dwarf Thanos and even some skyfathers. Saying Thanos has greater durability is obsured considering he was cut bad by wolverine...and bleed to Thor. DS would simply use his power to create the Thanos-cide and punch through Thanos.

Your whole argument seems to focus around a well written darkseid while we dont need a well written Thanos as hes a badass all the time and you dont have to pick and choose. 😄

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your disdain for Thanos' overwhelming durability advantage is laughable. As said before, even using his low feat of being cut by Wolverine, Darkseid's bled from a Batman jumpkick. And bleeding from a Power Gem backed WM Thor is not a low feat. Far lower opponents have made Superman bleed. Far. Lower. And your argument that Darkseid could create Thanos-cide power, even though he does not have Kronos' or Mentor's power, fails on many levels. You can keep repeating your ridiculous theories while trying to ignore our rebuttals completely, but it makes you look ignorant.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Why do people continue to view Ds and Superman as peers? He's beaten him more than Supes beat him, and he has been shown to own people far above Superman's level constantly. So exactly how can they be the same level, when that's not even what occurs in the comics, most of the time?

It seems you are ignoring the Superman/Batman stories,Apokolips now, and countdown where he needed to use Olsen to end their conflict. he doesnt dominate Supes anymore. In death of the new gods Ds even described him as a physical peer. Before fc they were in the same league. If you want to talk about pc you may have an argument but thats just if you want to dwell on the distant past.

He just also lost to Orion who is a peer of Superman. They are in the same league and its pretty clear.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Darkseid beaten his ass? How many years ago has it been?

He just also lost to Orion who is a peer of Superman. They are in the same league and its pretty clear.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thats like saying Superman only was beating on WW when he mindcontrolled because WW was holding back. The characters that were associated in bringing Thor down as a powerful indeed. Strange was involved and he alone is a badass especially when he has a moment or two to think of something.

Drax,Champion,and Thor were all viewed as different with the power gem. If you had read any of this you would be aware that Thor with the power gem was a maniac compared to Champion who Thanos toyed with while Drax was always an idiot when he had the gem.

So you are saying if you take away Thors hammer and powers when then he would be a normal guy. Thats like saying take away Hal Jordans ring. 😂

No superman doesnt have the impressive trackrecord that Thanos has. He has been mauled by Cyborg,knocked stupid by Kalibak,cant seem to beat Orion in their short little battles,overcome easily by shadow demons,looked dead even with Black Adam,etc.

Now we have Thanos physically hurting the Maker,dismissing Thors hammer like it was nothing,engaging Tyrant who is near Galactus level,throwing down with Odin in Asgard,beating the Surfer like a red headed step child(who by the way is another character who would defeat Supes).

They are in another league. Darkseid has been known to need outside help to defeat Superman nowadays. Thanos doesnt lose to top tiers while Darkseid just got his heart torn out by one.

you are clearly a fan of thanos. it doesn't change the fact that you are seeing every thing thru that viewpoint. i am a fangirl. a fan of every comic charcter and thus, i can rationalize and i know that champion, thor, and drax with the power gem are all around hulk lvl, which is around superman lvl.

your analogy about superman and wonder woman is indeed correct to a certain point. if superman had thought wonder woman had killed his wife and he was in his right mind, he would have beat her head in. the fact that he thought it was doomsday says that he thought he was fighting atuffer opponent so he was putting out his max power output. at the same time, he didn't know he was fighting someone as skilled and intelligent as wonder woman. so the fight stands as a feat for wonder woman and for superman.

and i said if you take away thor's hammer, then he would clearly not be in the same leage as superman. it's thor's hammer and it's ability to hit hard as hell, plus the focusing of thor's powers that makes him even with superman. if you take the hammer away and leave thor with his strength and unfocused powers, he's clearly not a match for superman. at all. so it is my reaonsing that since darkseid and superman are only peers physically, darksied is vastly more powerful than superman and thanos. since thanos is nothing but a peer of either. are you following?

and to my understanding darksied got his heart torn out by his son who was amped by the source. a prophecy. did not thanos get his heart cut out by a mid lvl guy? using examples of guys getting thier hearts torn out doesn't work well when it's turned back on you. now now, i know it hurts an all, but thanos isn't the guy you make him out to be. he's hella smart, and prolly the craftiest guy in comics, but power house, he's not.
the only reason he even last as long as he does is cuz he's immortal. but as far as i'm concerned he's like superman lvl in strength with like sentinal lvl energy out put.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Darkseid beaten his ass? How many years ago has it been?

It seems you are ignoring the Superman/Batman stories,Apokolips now, and countdown where he needed to use Olsen to end their conflict. he doesnt dominate Supes anymore. In death of the new gods Ds even described him as a physical peer. Before fc they were in the same league. If you want to talk about pc you may have an argument but thats just if you want to dwell on the distant past.

He just also lost to Orion who is a peer of Superman. They are in the same league and its pretty clear.

when darksied is 8 ft tall, he and superman are PHYSICAL peers. isn't that was he said. where you get peers is just astounding. it seems that you have a dislike for darksied and an overwhelming love for thanos.

physical peers somehow has translated to them being peers. how did you come up with such and equation? odin and thor are clearly not even physical peers. thor is so much stronger than his dad. and yet odin is far more powerful.

fangirl101=miss know it all.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
He beat him via shadow demons recently, and Mantis and Kalibak beat him, both whom got their powers from him.

Can you find a different argument other than that? You've been spouting the same thing over and over again for about a year now, and still to this day it's completely flawed and poorly constructed. Ds only has two solid losses against Superman, which isn't a bad record considering how well Supes does against various opponents. As for the rest of that statement, it's very much irrelevent or untrue(which you probally realize but won't admit). I don't know why you try to make such big out of that statement. Being a physical rival with Superman isn't that bad, seeing how Supes is virtually stronger than any herald leveler, and even some transcendent levelers..........

Considering how Orion was just resurrected by the Source and before then he could never dream of accomplishing such a feat, I'm going say that at that point of time, he was more powerful than ever. Meaning he wasn't a peer of Superman and their's no telling how powerful he was. 🙂

Shadow demons beating Supes isnt the same as Ds beating him. As I just said Ds couldnt beat his ass on his own in countdown three. In dong8 Superman flew through an amped Darkseid's body and crushed it. if you want me to throw that in there. Mantis and Kalibak beating Superman is something that mighty Ds cant really do on his own anymore. So this comparison fails.

Orion wasnt more powerful than ever,he just came in there at an opportune moment. He was tired from fighting Superman and then Olsen. He wasnt fresh and thats why Orion did what he did. 🙂

Originally posted by fangirl101
when darksied is 8 ft tall, he and superman are PHYSICAL peers. isn't that was he said. where you get peers is just astounding. it seems that you have a dislike for darksied and an overwhelming love for thanos.

physical peers somehow has translated to them being peers. how did you come up with such and equation? odin and thor are clearly not even physical peers. thor is so much stronger than his dad. and yet odin is far more powerful.

fangirl101=miss know it all.

I like Darkseid a lot its just he isnt in Thanos' league and its been proven. Fc Darkseid will be powerful indeed but classic Darkseid wasnt and was Superman level near his own death.