Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

Originally posted by h1a8
Basically we are going in circles. The prime argument is whether the actual fights in the comics constitute any weight to what will really happen if these two characters were real and common sense plays the part.

I say that comic fights have absolutely no weight in the matter if they are contradictory to the powers and abilities shown by individual feats and definitions of the character(s).

You say that the fights have weight and is indeed evidence to what will really happen if these two fought in real life.

This is where we disagree. So if we are to debate then we should start here instead.

Spot on h1a8-I couldn't have put it better myself. In comic book fights the results are often dictated not by the characters abilities but by the writers bias, or by the direction of the storyline

Since when does a comic book debate forum....disregard, you know, comic book evidence?

I understand there are extreme circumstances, but this is not one of them.

Cap has gotten to better of spidey multiple times, and what makes it worse is, it has happened in spideys own run.

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Originally posted by h1a8
Basically we are going in circles. The prime argument is whether the actual fights in the comics constitute any weight to what will really happen if these two characters were real and common sense plays the part.

I say that comic fights have absolutely no weight in the matter if they are contradictory to the powers and abilities shown by individual feats and definitions of the character(s).

You say that the fights have weight and is indeed evidence to what will really happen if these two fought in real life.

This is where we disagree. So if we are to debate then we should start here instead.

Again, you keep defecting to "Spidey wins it's common sense" but that's only if you ignore what Cap's capable of as well as Spiderman's limitations... there's no common sense about it.

Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah well their fights aren't contradictory to the powers and abilities that these characters have, they're only contradictory to the powers you MADE UP.

Again, you keep defecting to "Spidey wins it's common sense" but that's only if you ignore what Cap's capable of as well as Spiderman's limitations... there's no common sense about it.

What powers did he make up???

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Since when does a [b]comic book debate forum....disregard, you know, comic book evidence?

I understand there are extreme circumstances, but this is not one of them.

Cap has gotten to better of spidey multiple times, and what makes it worse is, it has happened in spideys own run.

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people keep forgetting that captain america is a living weapon.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
What powers did he make up???

yea h1 rather rediculous with his delussions

Originally posted by jinzin
The Spiderman can see people like Captain America as statues, and has better fighting ability than himself.

If Spiderman can see bullets in almost still motion then why can't he see someone who can move around at 60mph as a statue?

Originally posted by h1a8
If Spiderman can see bullets in almost still motion then why can't he see someone who can move around at 60mph as a statue?

That holds true both ways my friend.

I love your logic.

Originally posted by h1a8
If Spiderman can see bullets in almost still motion then why can't he see someone who can move around at 60mph as a statue?

If that's the case, if seeing in slow motion makes you untouchable I guess Spiderman can't touch Captain America either.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
That holds true both ways my friend.

I love your logic.

I don't believe CA can see bullets in near still motion. He can see them in slower motion than a human can. But "slow motion" is such a vague term. Anything slower than human perception is considered slow motion (even 1% slower).

But anyway, no need to deflect the argument. I was just proving that Spiderman should be able to see CA as a statue that's all.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't believe CA can see bullets in near still motion. He can see them in slower motion than a human can. But "slow motion" is such a vague term. Anything slower than human perception is considered slow motion (even 1% slower).

But anyway, no need to deflect the argument. I was just proving that Spiderman should be able to see CA as a statue that's all.

...............Like I said I love your awful logic.

Given Capt feats and what has been stated on pannel, spiderman would be a statue to capt as well by your logic.

so really you hqave proven nothing other then the fact you can ignore one characters abilities why using the others.

Originally posted by jinzin
When has Spiderman's sense of sight been stated to see bullets in slow motion?

If that's the case, if seeing in slow motion makes you untouchable I guess Spiderman can't touch Captain America either.

Now CA may see in decent enough slow motion but his speed (60 mph) is not sufficient in dodging multiple machine gun fire after the bullets are already in the air.

................................what so now spiderman goes over 200 miles an hour..............

Originally posted by h1a8
You must not only read comics but feel them. Feel them in your soul.
Why do you think that nearly every one here thinks that Spidey is a lot (not a little) faster than CA? Why do you think that most people think that CA speed feats don't feel like they are on par with Spidey's speed feats?

People who think Cap wins, ties, or that Spidey's speed isn't enough/all that:
Python99
Endrict Nuul
Daredevil 1
Soljer
Jadervason
ApolloKnight
Muck101
Phantom zone
Darthgoober
Shiv
Myself
Mr. Slppyfist (as he argued for material)
Jrodslam
Battlehammer

Everyone else just came into with a "Spidey wins" with no reasoning as to why with a few exceptions like:
Lord Feron argued for Spiderman keeping a distance and he wasn't even that clued in one Cap.
Tkitna was unclear on the facts with these characters.
Ninoarana only stated Spiderman would win.
and Zeitgiest who only stated it would be a marginal victory.
So no... "most people" doesn't apply to how many people think Spiderman's "much faster" than Cap. And it's sad how you have to defect to an ad populem argument when you're backed into a corner by evidence.. None of which says that he IS much faster.. and you know something.. It never has.

Originally posted by h1a8
CA has only one scan (which is arguable) that shows him dodging a bullet after the fire. He really just leaned to the side, where spiderman moved his whole body around the bullet. Now CA is fast but Spiderman's feat shows that he is at least 2x faster. Do you agree?

Originally posted by h1a8
Also, many confuse evasive movement as actual dodging after the fire.

Originally posted by h1a8
All the scans I see of CA weaving through bullets don't show that he is actually dodging after the fire.

Originally posted by h1a8
We know that he can run at 60mph. Is this fast enough to actually dodge multiple bullets after they are in the air? I don't think so.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
...............Like I said I love your awful logic.

Given Capt feats and what has been stated on pannel, spiderman would be a statue to capt as well by your logic.

so really you hqave proven nothing other then the fact you can ignore one characters abilities why using the others.

You must argue one point at a time. Otherwise you are deflecting the argument. We must first agree that Spiderman will see CA as a statue.
Then we will discuss whether CA can do the same.

So do you agree that SM can see CA as a statue?

Originally posted by h1a8
No it can't. Any false positives won't even register in his SS.
For example, if I fake a punch at Spidey then his SS will never go off.
This is because the sense itself knows the future.

The only way it can be tricked out is if someone like Iron Man does it (through tech manipulating his SS from the source).

Originally posted by h1a8
You must argue one point at a time. Otherwise you are deflecting the argument. We must first agree that Spiderman will see CA as a statue.
Then we will discuss whether CA can do the same.

So do you agree that SM can see CA as a statue?

No.

Your ignoreing one characters abilities and playing up anothers.
You either agree both see eachother as statue's or not.

you can't agree that one does and not the other.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't believe CA can see bullets in near still motion. He can see them in slower motion than a human can. But "slow motion" is such a vague term. Anything slower than human perception is considered slow motion (even 1% slower).

Originally posted by h1a8
But anyway, no need to deflect the argument. I was just proving that Spiderman should be able to see CA as a statue that's all.

Should? According to you perhaps.
Can? According to Marvel and 100% consistency? ❌