Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

Originally posted by h1a8
The one that exists in the forum is the one who has spider sense, can move as fast as bullets, has 40x reflex speed, can lift over 15 tons, etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
Another deflection. Only amateurs fall for this.
Who cares if CA can see bullets in slow motion. That don't show how he hits spidey. Spidey can hit him because he is a statue (who just happens to be able to see bullets in slow motion).
I know almost everything about it. Trust me. And no skill will do you any good if you are a statue.

Again post ONE PANEL of Spiderman taking it to a 1st class street level like they're a statue.. You can't... because he's not that fast outside of your fanboyism.

Originally posted by h1a8
Tactical superiority implies the ability to use either items from the surroundings, the surrounding itself, or items that one already has.

Originally posted by h1a8
Anyone who can bounce around with blurs, make multiple images of themselves, move around a bullet after they have turned around and saw it in the air, respond to lasers, etc. would make CA a statue.

Cap DOES THESE THINGS TOO...

Hell most street levels have. What part of that are you failing to understand?

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes CA has been drawn to have multiple images but this only shows the progression of his movement and not how a human would actually perceive him. The multiple images for spidey is actually meant to show how a human would view him.

Originally posted by h1a8
The fact is spidey is more than 15 times stronger than CA, has faster reflexes, and is lighter. Thus his acceleration has to be more than 15 times more. Remember A=F/M.

Originally posted by h1a8
"Comparable" is a vague word.
Is 60mph comparable to 2000mph? According to your implication it is. Nothing CA has done is comparable to Spidey's best speed feats. Spiderman is well above CA in speed, strength, durability, power set, etc. There is no way in hell CA will win 1 match out of 10 against the Spider-man in h2h. This is common sense.

The truth is that for every feat of speed Spiderman has Cap and almost every other high ranking street level boasts a feat that's it's equal.

The ONLY reason we give Spiderman the benefit of the doubt to say that he's faster is because of his power set and a couple handbook entries. When it comes to on panel evidence there's almost nothing to suggest that Spiderman's superior to Cap.. at all. 😐

You cap keep making baseless statements without any hint of proof but that doesn't make them any less bias, any less wrong, or you any less delusional.

Originally posted by h1a8
Suspension of disbelief is totally different from common sense. The former may disregard known scientific knowledge and other things that is not common sense. The latter is more about an error in reasoning (science has little to nothing to do with it). For example, one don't have to know any science to know that if someone can lift a tank can definitely lift a car. And if he/she fails to lift the car has nothing to do with Suspension of disbelief but an error in reasoning (against common sense).

And you will never beat the crap out of me if I have both Spider sense and the ability to see you as a statue.

"Spiderman wins.. it's common sense"
That's not reasoning, it's dictating your fantasies to us as if they're more valid than FACTS.
Facts, something you continue to FAIL to bring to the table.
Spiderman has certain advantages but they're not the kind that will help him secure a majority win over Cap who also has advantages.. Simply stating Spiderman's power set over and over is just ignoring the counterpoint of Cap's advantages that negate Spiderman's.. That has little to do with "reasoning" and EVERYTHING to do with bias.

Too bad seeing streeters like statues isn't one of Spiderman's powers 😂

Originally posted by h1a8
Spidey powers [B]automatically gives him a superior fighting skill and style to CA. Have you seen the movie "Next"? Nicholas Cage had absolutely no martial art knowledge and yet displayed a fighting skill far above anyone who has ever mastered martial arts. This is because he knew the future. [/B]

Originally posted by jinzin
Not remotely the same.
Spiderman's S.S. can be tricked out.

What do you mean tricked?

You mean used against him?

yes.

Spiderman doesn't see into the future he gets warned about danger to an extent. But it's the kind of extend that can be faked out. Like DD's done, like Cap's done.

Cap Wins. Flawless Victory.

Originally posted by King KAM
[b]Captain America Vs Spiderman.

This wasnt much of a fight, but Cap does light Spideman the hell up!

Now this fight lasts Longer, Cap handles Spiderman...the only prayer Spidey has is to use his Iron Spidey tentacles...which he no longer has.




[/B]

Thanks to King Kam for those. Advantage in hand to hand......Cap 6/10. 😎

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Thanks to King Kam for those. Advantage in hand to hand......Cap 6/10. 😎

Yeah, OK. 🙄

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Yeah, OK. 🙄

Heh heh he he.

Sorry them scans don't lie. Cry Pis...Cis all you want. You remind me of the Slade/Electra/Batman fans. Oh wait you are one of the Batman fans, who actually believes Batman is as strong and as fast as some enhanced. Someone who is the next step in human evoultion.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Heh heh he he.

Sorry them scans don't lie. Cry Pis...Cis all you want. You remind me of the Slade/Electra/Batman fans. Oh wait you are one of the Batman fans, who actually believes Batman is as strong and as fast as some enhanced. Someone who is the next step in human evoultion.

No, you lie. Those fights never got to an end, Spidey was only trying to help. And everyones knows what Spider-Man is really capable of. No amount of scans will change that. By your logic, Batman would kick Spidey's ass too, right? I see you like to keep bringing up Batman, you need to get off whatever drugs you seems to be on and start paying attention to Batman's comics. If you think that Batman automatically loses to anyone with enhancements. Then you know nothing about Batman and he is capable of. The fact is that you will ever prove otherwise, so just let it go and face facts.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
No, you lie. Those fights never got to an end, Spidey was only trying to help. And everyones knows what Spider-Man is really capable of. No amount of scans will change that. By your logic, Batman would kick Spidey's ass too, right? I see you like to keep bringing up Batman, you need to get off whatever drugs you seems to be on and start paying attention to Batman's comics. If you think that Batman automatically loses to anyone with enhancements. Then you know nothing about Batman and he is capable of. The fact is that you will ever prove otherwise, so just let it go and face facts.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
No, you lie. Those fights never got to an end, Spidey was only trying to help. And everyones knows what Spider-Man is really capable of. No amount of scans will change that. By your logic, Batman would kick Spidey's ass too, right? I see you like to keep bringing up Batman, you need to get off whatever drugs you seems to be on and start paying attention to Batman's comics. If you think that Batman automatically loses to anyone with enhancements. Then you know nothing about Batman and he is capable of. The fact is that you will ever prove otherwise, so just let it go and face facts.

No batman would not kick Spidermans butt because he does not have any enhancements.

Not only is Cap a top tier martial artist he has enhancements and hes analysed Spidermans style , so he has other advantages other street levelers dont.

In fact most street levelers would probably lose the majority to Spiderman Cap is the excpetion because of his enhancements and because he has analysed Spiderman.

Originally posted by Blight
I don't know, dude. Anytime Captain America is around spiderman, spidey gets star struck... what's to say he wouldn't be all internal monologue "Oh crap I'm fighting Captain America! Oh Crap, I'm fighting Captain America! Oh crap I'm fighting CAPTAIN AMERICA!!!!" and then he gets punched in the face hard....... by Captain America.

A robot clone of Spiderman said the same thing. The clone was stalemating Spiderman.

😐

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Thanks to King Kam for those. Advantage in hand to hand......Cap 6/10. 😎

His advantage was that he had his shield. Those first scans Cap was able to punch Spiderman once when Spiderman let his guard down.

The civil war scans Cap did better, but again his was using his shield.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
A robot clone of Spiderman said the same thing. The clone was stalemating Spiderman.

😐

Originally posted by Mindset
His advantage was that he had his shield. Those first scans Cap was able to punch Spiderman once when Spiderman let his guard down.

The civil war scans Cap did better, but again his was using his shield.

Please read the scans properly and stop exaggerating.

Originally posted by Mindset
Scans?

I'll have to find it used to be part of the Captain America respect thread on herochat. The one at present has those scans missing so I might not be able to get it.

Im thinking though I should not even bother since you cant even analyse the scans at present correctly.

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh-huh no one's arguing that he has a Spider Sense, can move as fast as bullets, or lift 15 tons...
40X reflexes is nothing more than hyperbole though.
And the one that exists on the forums is the one who's derived from the comics... the same one who isn't sweeping Cap in h2h.

It's not a deflection it was a factual statement made by empiracle evidence seen hundreds of times made with no attempt to persuade you into believing it.

Again post ONE PANEL of Spiderman taking it to a 1st class street level like they're a statue.. You can't... because he's not that fast outside of your fanboyism.

Uhh no. Tactical implies tactics.. tactics are about maneuvering one's command or self into a superior positioning.. It has nothing to do with weapons or environment it all about what the army refers to as economy of movement.
God.. if you're going to build a strawman atleast give him some legs to stand on.

Cap DOES THESE THINGS TOO...

Hell most street levels have. What part of that are you failing to understand?

I see, so when Spiderman's doing an afterimage display it's his speed.
When it's Cap doing the after-image thing it's his "progression of movement" in no way related to speed... In spite of him needing speed to weave around gunfire and lasers when he does do it.. Nice...
BIAS FOR THE WIN!

He's BARELY got faster reflexes and it's not fast enough to matter in a fight. His strength and size do not automatically make him quicksilver. Otherwise Giglimesh would be the friggin Flash. 😬

Basically we are going in circles. The prime argument is whether the actual fights in the comics constitute any weight to what will really happen if these two characters were real and common sense plays the part.

I say that comic fights have absolutely no weight in the matter if they are contradictory to the powers and abilities shown by individual feats and definitions of the character(s).

You say that the fights have weight and is indeed evidence to what will really happen if these two fought in real life.

This is where we disagree. So if we are to debate then we should start here instead.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No batman would not kick Spidermans butt because he does not have any enhancements.

If Cap can, so can Batman. There isn't nothing Cap can do that Batman can't. He doesn't need enhancements. please stop using that to try and argue. It's pointless. There is no scans of Cap that I can't match with one of Batman's.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
In fact most street levelers would probably lose the majority to Spiderman Cap is the excpetion because of his enhancements and because he has analysed Spiderman.

He's not beating Spider-Man when he's not holding back and when he is trying to hurt him. So if Cap was a Spidey villain, Spider-Man would have no chance at stopping him, right? If he is put in situation where it's do or die, Spider-Man is going to put him down.

Originally posted by jinzin
Is equivolent a better word?

The truth is that for every feat of speed Spiderman has Cap and almost every other high ranking street level boasts a feat that's it's equal.

The ONLY reason we give Spiderman the benefit of the doubt to say that he's faster is because of his power set and a couple handbook entries. When it comes to on panel evidence there's almost nothing to suggest that Spiderman's superior to Cap.. at all. 😐

You cap keep making baseless statements without any hint of proof but that doesn't make them any less bias, any less wrong, or you any less delusional.

You must not only read comics but feel them. Feel them in your soul.
Why do you think that nearly every one here thinks that Spidey is a lot (not a little) faster than CA? Why do you think that most people think that CA speed feats don't feel like they are on par with Spidey's speed feats?

CA has only one scan (which is arguable) that shows him dodging a bullet after the fire. He really just leaned to the side, where spiderman moved his whole body around the bullet. Now CA is fast but Spiderman's feat shows that he is at least 2x faster. Do you agree?

Also, many confuse evasive movement as actual dodging after the fire. All the scans I see of CA weaving through bullets don't show that he is actually dodging after the fire. We know that he can run at 60mph. Is this fast enough to actually dodge multiple bullets after they are in the air? I don't think so.

Originally posted by jinzin
Not remotely the same.
Spiderman's S.S. can be tricked out.

No it can't. Any false positives won't even register in his SS.
For example, if I fake a punch at Spidey then his SS will never go off.
This is because the sense itself knows the future.

The only way it can be tricked out is if someone like Iron Man does it (through tech manipulating his SS from the source).