Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

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jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
Slow motion is vague in itself.
It both depends on how much you see in slow motion and how fast you can move. For example, if I can see a bullet as 5mph but can only move at human speeds then I will fail to get out of the way of the bullet. I would see the entire flight of the bullet though.

Now CA may see in decent enough slow motion but his speed (60 mph) is not sufficient in dodging multiple machine gun fire after the bullets are already in the air.

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like I said...

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
Nearly everyone huh?
Yeah Okay let's see in terms of people who think CA's speed isn't worth competing against Spiderman?
SPIDERMAN'S LIKE WAY FASTER BANDWAGON:
Yourself
Buster 1
Marvelknight
Digimark
Badabing
Mindset
Avlon
golem370
Blaxhydralisk
Mindship
Angrymanetee
Tuku King
Darkjaxx
superherovandal

Badabing does not think spidermans to fast for capt if not mistaken I think he believes there rather closes in speed.

marvelknight is extremely bias lol. The dude thinks Batman gets 4/10 vs spiderman in h2h, but capt can't win one lol.

The Great Galen Restricted

Peter wins, he's to fast and strong for a mere street brawler. 10/10 for peter...wouldnt his punches simply go through CA head?

Battlehammer Senior Member
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Peter wins, he's to fast and strong for a mere street brawler. 10/10 for peter...wouldnt his punches simply go through CA head?

not and strong beinings have tried

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
Nearly everyone huh?
Yeah Okay let's see in terms of people who think CA's speed isn't worth competing against Spiderman?
SPIDERMAN'S LIKE WAY FASTER BANDWAGON:
Yourself
Buster 1
Marvelknight
Digimark
Badabing
Mindset
Avlon
golem370
Blaxhydralisk
Mindship
Angrymanetee
Tuku King
Darkjaxx
superherovandal

People who think Cap wins, ties, or that Spidey's speed isn't enough/all that:
Python99
Endrict Nuul
Daredevil 1
Soljer
Jadervason
ApolloKnight
Muck101
Phantom zone
Darthgoober
Shiv
Myself
Mr. Slppyfist (as he argued for material)
Jrodslam
Battlehammer

Another deflection. The second list isn't solely about whether Spidey is a lot faster. And I disagree with your list. I highly doubt Soljer, Slippy, Darthgoober, and some others you listed think that CA is close to Spidey in speed.


Pffft... He has several actually.. likewise Spiderman only has one scan of him sidestepping a bullet after it'd been fired.. and I don't think it's ever even been referenced where it came from at that.
Spiderman sidestepped it, Cap leaned.. Neither is massively more impressive than the other.
No I don't agree when they're doing the same thing.

Spiderman has more than 3 feats that clearly shows him seeing the bullet in slow motion and moving his whole body in relative speed around it, passed it, etc.. You should know this as I consider you more knowledgeable in comics than I. CA has only one arguable feat (the feat isn't really clear enough to say he did it without a doubt). And that feat showed him only being fast enough to lean out of the way.


And many people give Spiderman the benefit of the doubt that he's dodging bullets after they've been fired but that every other street level is "evading fire" as if objective narrative boxes that describe them as "DODGING" don't mean anything.
Funny though, given that you want to argue that Spiderman can see into the future it would make more sense for him to evade and Cap to dodged after the fact than the other way around... I love your pathetic contradictions.
There is no benefit of the doubt when Spidey has shown multiple times he can dodge clearly after the fire. This is a fact. I don't quite understand the part where you say "Funny though,..." Can you explain that better (or reword it).


OMG... I can run a marathon in 4-5 hours.. that doesn't make me a slow fighter does it?
What retarded logic.
How is the logic retarded? Are you getting frustated because I'm starting to make sense and you can't combat it? Being a fast fighter has nothing to do with being able to move your entire body out of the way of an incoming bullet. CA may be able to lean to the side (arguable) but in no way should he be able to move his entire body with the speed necessary to dodge multiple incoming bullets if he can only run about 60mph.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
Slow motion is vague in itself.
It both depends on how much you see in slow motion and how fast you can move. For example, if I can see a bullet as 5mph but can only move at human speeds then I will fail to get out of the way of the bullet. I would see the entire flight of the bullet though.

Now CA may see in decent enough slow motion but his speed (60 mph) is not sufficient in dodging multiple machine gun fire after the bullets are already in the air.

60 MPH is Cap's maximum travel speed over distances, his combat speed has never been clocked. These scans certainly suggest that he's able to move quite a bit faster in short burst...

Keeping pace with his shield after it’s thrown
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8664/avengersannual11198209gv5.jpg

Intercepting a rocket after it’s fired
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/6189/09bj1.jpg
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6628/10nf0.jpg

Cap’s speed is compared to classic Quicksilver’s
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2493/avengers03720jz9.jpg

Dodging multiple energy blast and projectiles simultaneously(notice there ARE bullets being dodged as well, and the scan could be interpreted as Cap getting ahead of the bullets after they're fired)
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3664/avengersv305accusationmcc8.jpg

Dodging Modred in Captain Britain’s body
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4130/captainamerica306thesumyq6.jpg

Breaks free of a shackle and catches a spear inches from Zemo’s face
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/239/captainamerica359bloodsle0.jpg

Cap can see bullets in flight
http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capdamanta2.jpg

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah.. that's how it works
duryes

That's not tricking his SS. First of all, those are bullsh!t fights. They hold no evidence whatsoever to what will really happen.

With that said, the first scan had the club really coming at him.
The second scan had nothing to do with SS. SM has many times been distracted while someone or something (like a bullet) from behind tried to sneak up on him. He was ready for them.

See how those fights contradict the other things Spidey has done?

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No.

Your ignoreing one characters abilities and playing up anothers.
You either agree both see eachother as statue's or not.

you can't agree that one does and not the other.

Who says I won't agree? We will discuss that later, trust me. I might even surprise you.

So you say no huh?
Well tell me how is it possible to both see a bullet in slow motion and CA not as a statue?

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
Another deflection. The second list isn't solely about whether Spidey is a lot faster. And I disagree with your list. I highly doubt Soljer, Slippy, Darthgoober, and some others you listed think that CA is close to Spidey in speed.

lol. It's not a deflection. You said that most people think that Spiderman's much much faster than Cap, obviously half the people here have argued to the contrary. And if people thought Spiderman was way faster than Cap they wouldn't give Cap good odds.
You can disagree but you're opinion of that is like your opinion here, wrong and contradicted by historical evidence.

Originally posted by h1a8
Spiderman has more than 3 feats that clearly shows him seeing the bullet in slow motion and moving his whole body in relative speed around it, passed it, etc.. You should know this as I consider you more knowledgeable in comics than I. CA has only one arguable feat (the feat isn't really clear enough to say he did it without a doubt). And that feat showed him only being fast enough to lean out of the way.
Where does his sense of sight see bullets in slow motion?
I don't think I've ever come across a panel that said that.
Show them to me.
Cap has multiple instances where he's able to simultaneously move out of the way of bullets while slinging his shield. It's all relatively close.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is no benefit of the doubt when Spidey has shown multiple times he can dodge clearly after the fire. This is a fact. I don't quite understand the part where you say "Funny though,..." Can you explain that better (or reword it).

It IS a benefit of the doubt when you think that Cap's only using evasive maneuvars while Spiderman's actually dodging in spite of objective narrative panels stating that he's dodging the mothafu**as.

It's funny because you think Spiderman can see into the future, yet you support that he dodges the bullet after it's fired. Cap can't see into the future but he has to evade the bullets before they are shot... It's contradictory self defeating logic.

Originally posted by h1a8
How is the logic retarded? Are you getting frustated because I'm starting to make sense and you can't combat it? Being a fast fighter has nothing to do with being able to move your entire body out of the way of an incoming bullet. CA may be able to lean to the side (arguable) but in no way should he be able to move his entire body with the speed necessary to dodge multiple incoming bullets if he can only run about 60mph.
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I've argued for hundreds of posts with C-Master.. don't blow smoke up your own ass thinking you're even about to frusturate me...

Me saying your logic is retarded is a "simple statement, blunt and to the point with no attempt to persuade you into believing it."

Yes being a fast fighter does have to do with being able to move your whole body, otherwise Cap wouldn't be able to land kicks and punches on another fast fighter when they're trying to keep their range. Your own defection to his running speed is a horrible example to misrepresent his fighting speed simple as.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Tell me how it possible for capt to view bullets in slow motion and not view spiderman as a statue? works both ways I am affraid

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
That's not tricking his SS. First of all, those are bullsh!t fights. They hold no evidence whatsoever to what will really happen.

Uhh yes it is.... If he was able to predict the future why did he get hit?
Oh that's right "I don't like it, it didn't happen."

Originally posted by h1a8
With that said, the first scan had the club really coming at him.
The second scan had nothing to do with SS. SM has many times been distracted while someone or something (like a bullet) from behind tried to sneak up on him. He was ready for them.

"something or someone" which is in every way relatable to Matt Murdock who billy clubs bullets out of the way with one arm tied behind his back..literally.

Originally posted by h1a8
See how those fights contradict the other things Spidey has done?
No I fail to see how thugs failing to jump Spiderman is comparable to a peak human street level kicking Spiderman's ass in a fight.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
Who says I won't agree? We will discuss that later, trust me. I might even surprise you.

So you say no huh?
Well tell me how is it possible to both see a bullet in slow motion and CA not as a statue?

"First of all, those are bullsh!t fights. They hold no evidence whatsoever to what will really happen. "

Doc. Savage Restricted

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Tell me how it possible for capt to view bullets in slow motion and not view spiderman as a statue? works both ways I am affraid
In comics it doesn't always work both ways.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
60 MPH is Cap's maximum travel speed over distances, his combat speed has never been clocked. These scans certainly suggest that he's able to move quite a bit faster in short burst...

Keeping pace with his shield after it’s thrown
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8664/avengersannual11198209gv5.jpg

This scan shows absolutely nothing. The shield could have been bouncing around all day before he caught it. Bad scan.
And short spurts are just a little faster than a longer spurt. CA doesn't get tired. Thus his end speed should be nearly the same as his start speed. Actually that's false, his end speed should be greater than his start speed. So CA's start speed is less than 60mph.


Intercepting a rocket after it’s fired
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/6189/09bj1.jpg
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6628/10nf0.jpg

A rocket like that is slow as hell at start. Hell I can do the same thing if I can jump as high. It takes more than a second for that rocket to reach CA. Rockets are not projectiles. They build up speed during the flight, where bullets build up speed in the barrel. So when they exist they are already fast.

Cap’s speed is compared to classic Quicksilver’s
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2493/avengers03720jz9.jpg

We all know this is bullsh!t. Why would you even post an obvious hyperbole scan anyway? CA entire history contradicts that he is fast as classic quicksilver.


Dodging multiple energy blast and projectiles simultaneously(notice there ARE bullets being dodged as well, and the scan could be interpreted as Cap getting ahead of the bullets after they're fired)
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3664/avengersv305accusationmcc8.jpg
Grossly misinterpretation of the scan. CA is only moving evasively to avoid being hit. Nothing that typical batman can't do. There is no dodge after the fire anywhere. Where do you get that from? lol


Dodging Modred in Captain Britain’s body
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4130/captainamerica306thesumyq6.jpg

CA had fair warning he was coming. And who knows exactly how fast Modred was moving at the time? He could have been going at 100mph for all know. Captain Britain is physically superior to CA. So if CA was in his body then this definitely makes the feat invalid.

Breaks free of a shackle and catches a spear inches from Zemo’s face
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/239/captainamerica359bloodsle0.jpg
Impressive. But spears and bullets are two different things. Impressive though. Good scan.


Cap can see bullets in flight
http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capdamanta2.jpg
Like I was saying earlier, slow motion is a vague term. As seeing a bullet 1% slower than a human constitutes as seeing it in slow motion. And besides, I have already proven that seeing has nothing to do with your speed of movement. I can see a bullet as 5mph with only human speed movement. I will see the bullet's entire flight, even the part where it enters my body. There's nothing I can do but watch.

Mr. Slippyfist Dead
Originally posted by jinzin
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jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
I have already proven that seeing has nothing to do with your speed of movement. I can see a bullet as 5mph with only human speed movement. I will see the bullet's entire flight, even the part where it enters my body. There's nothing I can do but watch.
And this doesn't apply to Spiderman becauuusssseee?
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Mr. Slippyfist Dead

Originally posted by jinzin
And this doesn't apply to Spiderman becauuusssseee?
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Because... because...

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ur stpid!

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
lol. It's not a deflection. You said that most people think that Spiderman's much much faster than Cap, obviously half the people here have argued to the contrary. And if people thought Spiderman was way faster than Cap they wouldn't give Cap good odds.
You can disagree but you're opinion of that is like your opinion here, wrong and contradicted by historical evidence.
They have only argued that CA has a chance due to his fighting skill. In no way do even 30% of all people think that CA's speed is close to Spidey's (Spidey is a least twice as fast). I've never seen CA bounce around entire large rooms like a blur ping ball like Spidey has done in
the cartoons. I mean if we go on what the writer's think then why do they always show Spiderman being much faster in the cartoons than
CA? And I know cartoons and movies aren't canon. But at least we know what the people that matters think. Hell, even in the video game Spidey's "maximum spider" is a lot faster than anything CA can do in the same game (besides throw the shield). That is why it is common sense why Spidey is a lot faster.


Where does his sense of sight see bullets in slow motion?
I don't think I've ever come across a panel that said that.
Show them to me.
Cap has multiple instances where he's able to simultaneously move out of the way of bullets while slinging his shield. It's all relatively close.
It doesn't say (in a way it does). It shows the bullet moving slowly in the air (thus how spidey sees it). It also (the comics) says that spidey's reflexes can operate at 40x faster than a human. So if you were to divide an average bullet's speed by 40 then Spidey sees the bullet about 20mph. This is slower than the slowest change up possible in baseball.

It IS a benefit of the doubt when you think that Cap's only using evasive maneuvars while Spiderman's actually dodging in spite of objective narrative panels stating that he's dodging the mothafu**as.
If CA clearly shows himself to dodge a bullet after the fire they way spidey has shown they I would definitely give him the benefit of the doubt that he's dodging bullets. CA has nearly no proof to give him this benefit. The only proof he has is arguable and limited to him only being able to lean out of the way and not sidestep, more around, or pass a bullet.

It's funny because you think Spiderman can see into the future, yet you support that he dodges the bullet after it's fired. Cap can't see into the future but he has to evade the bullets before they are shot... It's contradictory self defeating logic.
Obviously if you enter a war zone you are not going to just be standing there still. You are going to be moving even before they start firing. He clearly is using common sense anticipating they are about to fire on him.
Also, in other situations, one can start to dodge after the first shot(s) misses. So where is the contradiction?

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I've argued for hundreds of posts with C-Master.. don't blow smoke up your own ass thinking you're even about to frusturate me...

It just seems that way to me. Sorry if it's not true.

Me saying your logic is retarded is a "simple statement, blunt and to the point with no attempt to persuade you into believing it."
Understood. But I've proven it wasn't retarded (it may be faulty but in no way retarded).

Yes being a fast fighter does have to do with being able to move your whole body, otherwise Cap wouldn't be able to land kicks and punches on another fast fighter when they're trying to keep their range. Your own defection to his running speed is a horrible example to misrepresent his fighting speed simple as.
Yet common sense tells me that someone who tops out at 60mph (after building up speed) shouldn't be able to move their whole body instantly to weave through many incoming bullets. Thus he must be dodging in anticipation.

h1a8 Senior Member
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Tell me how it possible for capt to view bullets in slow motion and not view spiderman as a statue? works both ways I am affraid

You're a chicken. I will definitely argue the both ways argument with you. I just need you to first agree that Spidey will see CA as a statue.
Don't be a chicken and try to avoid the question. Just have patience. We will discuss the other way around soon.

h1a8 Senior Member
Originally posted by jinzin
Uhh yes it is.... If he was able to predict the future why did he get hit?
Oh that's right "I don't like it, it didn't happen."
Yes sir indeed. I don't like it, it didn't happen. Why? Because I don't like things that can't happen. 😂 Bullets flying through the air can't sneak up on spidey when he's distracted. And you are trying to convince me that CA and DD can do so (when others and a bullet can't). Those stupid fights contradict many other extreme instances. Don't make any sense.

No I fail to see how thugs failing to jump Spiderman is comparable to a peak human street level kicking Spiderman's ass in a fight.

What about bullets failing?