Originally posted by h1a8If anyone thought Spiderman was as fast compared to Cap as you said, no one would give him the majority.
They have only argued that CA has a chance due to his fighting skill. In no way do even 30% of all people think that CA's speed is close to Spidey's (Spidey is a least twice as fast). .
Originally posted by h1a8
I've never seen CA bounce around entire large rooms like a blur ping ball like Spidey has done in the cartoons..I mean if we go on what the writer's think then why do they always show Spiderman being much faster in the cartoons than CA. And I know cartoons and movies aren't canon. But at least we know what the people that matters think. Hell, even in the video game Spidey's "maximum spider" is a lot faster than anything CA can do in the same game (besides throw the shield). That is why it is common sense why Spidey is a lot faster.
Originally posted by h1a8
It doesn't say (in a way it does). It shows the bullet moving slowly in the air (thus how spidey sees it). It also (the comics) says that spidey's reflexes can operate at 40x faster than a human.
Originally posted by h1a8
So if you were to divide an average bullet's speed by 40 then Spidey sees the bullet about 20mph. This is slower than the slowest change up possible in baseball.
Originally posted by h1a8He has, and proof has been posted which you ignored by using a benefit of the doubt against Cap...
If CA clearly shows himself to dodge a bullet after the fire they way spidey has shown they I would definitely give him the benefit of the doubt that he's dodging bullets. CA has nearly no proof to give him this benefit. The only proof he has is arguable and limited to him only being able to lean out of the way and not sidestep, more around, or pass a bullet.
Originally posted by h1a8
Obviously if you enter a war zone you are not going to just be standing there still. You are going to be moving even before they start firing. He clearly is using common sense anticipating they are about to fire on him.
Also, in other situations, one can start to dodge after the first shot(s) misses. So where is the contradiction?
Lol. I would draw you a map but it clearly won't help.
Originally posted by h1a8
It just seems that way to me. Sorry if it's not true.
Originally posted by h1a8in spite of narratives stating he's flat out dodging.. riiiiight.
Understood. But I've proven it wasn't retarded (it may be faulty but in no way retarded).
Yet common sense tells me that someone who tops out at 60mph (after building up speed) shouldn't be able to move their whole body instantly to weave through many incoming bullets. Thus he must be dodging in anticipation.
Originally posted by jinzinBecause I'm arguing a totally different argument. The one that deals with speed. They are arguing that fighting ability makes CA last with Spidey. They are not considering the logic about superior speed and reflexes make fighting skill moot.
If anyone thought Spiderman was as fast compared to Cap as you said, no one would give him the majority.
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I do too. But based off the speed shown in the game and cartoons tells us what the majority of us humans think (even the ones that count). And for some strange reason the spiderman figure moves much faster in my hand than the CA figure. I wonder why this is happening.
The cartoons? You've got to be f*ckin joking..
LOL
Yeah well I beat Spiderman with Cap in MvsCapcom thus Cap wins...
Actually my action figure of Cap kicked Spiderman's ass... CAPS THE MAN!
But spidey backs this statement up by the panel showing the bullet traveling in slow motion. The statement is back up in the cartoons too (which is written by one of Spidey's writers for the comics).
Actually Spiderman said that... while trying to impress MJ when she was wearing lacey panties. Didn't you just ***** out goober about hyerbole?
And don't forget backup shown on panel too.By your back asswards calculations built on a mountaintop of hyperbole.
I can't ignore none existing scans that shows CA clear dodging after the fire the way Spidey was shown too.
He has, and proof has been posted which you ignored by using a benefit of the doubt against Cap...
Cap has objective narrativ panels stating he dodges bullets... he dodges bullets.
Show me these so called objective narratives by the narrator.
You mean the none existent ones right?
in spite of narratives stating he's flat out dodging.. riiiiight.
Originally posted by h1a8
Because I'm arguing a totally different argument. The one that deals with speed. They are arguing that fighting ability makes CA last with Spidey. They are not considering the logic about superior speed and reflexes make fighting skill moot.
No I'm not...
I'll say it again. If the majority of people thought that Spiderman was as fast as you're making him out to be no one give Cap a majority.... none of that has anything to do with speed.
Originally posted by h1a8
I do too. But based off the speed shown in the game and cartoons tells us what the majority of us humans think (even the ones that count). And for some strange reason the spiderman figure moves much faster in my hand than the CA figure. I wonder why this is happening.
I like how guys that made a cartoon Cap was barely in at all, and a game that was likewise are now more an authority than either of the Spiderman writers who wrote Cap as superior, either of the Avengers writers, or ANY of the creative team (being that Joe Q stated that he had everyone who was working on or around Civil War from Marvel fly in to discuss their summer event) from Civil War.
Niiiiice. 😉
Originally posted by h1a8
But spidey backs this statement up by the panel showing the bullet traveling in slow motion. The statement is back up in the cartoons too (which is written by one of Spidey's writers for the comics).
Lol which writer would this be?
Originally posted by h1a8
And don't forget backup shown on panel too.
I can't ignore none existing scans that shows CA clear dodging after the fire the way Spidey was shown too.
Originally posted by h1a8
Show me these so called objective narratives by the narrator.
Perhaps when I finish my respect thread I'll waste my time to find them for you.. Though at this rate of hypocrisy and delusional fanboyism I wouldn't count on it.
Originally posted by h1a8lol coming from a guy who argues that Spiderman can see Cap like a statue...
You mean the none existent ones right?
Originally posted by jinzinTrust me when I first thought about this fight many years ago I thought CA can hang with Spidey because of his fighting abillity, until I saw the logic that Spidey's superior speed and spider sense should make the fight easy for him. So its highly possible that many (just like the writers) aren't seeing the common sense of the situation. But in no way do these people feel that SM isn't much faster than CA.
No I'm not...
I'll say it again. If the majority of people thought that Spiderman was as fast as you're making him out to be no one give Cap a majority.... none of that has anything to do with speed.
I like how guys that made a cartoon Cap was barely in at all, and a game that was likewise are now more an authority than either of the Spiderman writers who wrote Cap as superior, either of the Avengers writers, or ANY of the creative team (being that Joe Q stated that he had everyone who was working on or around Civil War from Marvel fly in to discuss their summer event) from Civil War.
CA hasn't done it.
But when Cap does it, it doesn't count.
Bendis
Lol which writer would this be?
I said he should see him as a statue which is common sense. So you are arguing in bias thinking that someone who can see bullets in slow motion can't see someone who runs at 60mph as a statue. This is lower than common sense. It is plain sense.
lol coming from a guy who argues that Spiderman can see Cap like a statue...
Originally posted by h1a8
Trust me when I first thought about this fight many years ago I thought CA can hang with Spidey because of his fighting abillity, until I saw the logic that Spidey's superior speed and spider sense should make the fight easy for him. So its highly possible that many (just like the writers) aren't seeing the common sense of the situation. But in no way do these people feel that SM isn't much faster than CA.
I'm quite positive there's an unopen bottle of perscription pills in your cabinet your doctor should know about.
Originally posted by h1a8
Still he was in it. CA was also the avengers movie too. Authority has nothing to do with popular opinion. And CA is not superior to SM in the game. Not even close. In MSH CA was close to SM though. I know this because I used to be one of the best players around. But this has nothing to do with there speed.
Originally posted by h1a8
CA hasn't done it.
Originally posted by h1a8WTF are you smoking Bendis didn't write the Spidey cartoon
Bendis
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Originally posted by h1a8Common sense to you... Not to people who know what they're talking about.
I said he should see him as a statue which is common sense. So you are arguing in bias thinking that someone who can see bullets in slow motion can't see someone who runs at 60mph as a statue. This is lower than common sense. It is plain sense.
Look, it's common sense that even if Spiderman could determine the path of a bullet as it's fired, that he shouldn't be able to move fast enough to evade it anyway.
The only reason why I even bring up examples of Cap dodging or seeing bullets in slow motion is to debunk the notion that Spiderman has any sort of advantage.. he doesn't.
If Cap can see bullets in slow motion Spiderman would look like a statue to him too.. but whatever you need to tell yourself to support your own delusional bias I suppose.
Originally posted by MarvelknightHis advantages in speed, reflexes, durability, and agility are miniscule at best.. The only real advantage he brings to this fight is strength and like you said he NEEDS VERY POWERFUL blows to end this fight... Only thing is Cap won't let him hit those, Cap's got armor, and "He's already hit me three times, I haven't hit him once".
Lol, Spidey only needs a few very powerful blows to end this. And having the strength, durability, agility, speed, and reflexes advantage helps a lot.
Originally posted by jinzin
His advantages in speed, reflexes, durability, and agility are miniscule at best.. The only real advantage he brings to this fight is strength and like you said he NEEDS VERY POWERFUL blows to end this fight... Only thing is Cap won't let him hit those, Cap's got armor, and "He's already hit me three times, I haven't hit him once".
You're forgetting the spider-sense. That is a very big factor and the reason why it doesn't make any sense for Cap to have landed as many blows as he did in their little battles. He should know what Cap is going to do every time he attacks.
Originally posted by h1a8
This scan shows absolutely nothing. The shield could have been bouncing around all day before he caught it. Bad scan.
Originally posted by h1a8
And short spurts are just a little faster than a longer spurt. CA doesn't get tired. Thus his end speed should be nearly the same as his start speed. Actually that's false, his end speed should be greater than his start speed. So CA's start speed is less than 60mph.
Originally posted by h1a8
A rocket like that is slow as hell at start. Hell I can do the same thing if I can jump as high. It takes more than a second for that rocket to reach CA. Rockets are not projectiles. They build up speed during the flight, where bullets build up speed in the barrel. So when they exist they are already fast.
Originally posted by h1a8
We all know this is bullsh!t. Why would you even post an obvious hyperbole scan anyway? CA entire history contradicts that he is fast as classic quicksilver.
Originally posted by h1a8
Grossly misinterpretation of the scan. CA is only moving evasively to avoid being hit. Nothing that typical batman can't do. There is no dodge after the fire anywhere. Where do you get that from? lol
Originally posted by h1a8
CA had fair warning he was coming. And who knows exactly how fast Modred was moving at the time? He could have been going at 100mph for all know. Captain Britain is physically superior to CA. So if CA was in his body then this definitely makes the feat invalid.
Anyway I misspoke, I actually meant that Modred was in Captain Britain's body but that's not right, it's actually Modred with Captain Britain's powers.
Originally posted by h1a8
Impressive. But spears and bullets are two different things. Impressive though. Good scan.
Originally posted by h1a8
Like I was saying earlier, slow motion is a vague term. As seeing a bullet 1% slower than a human constitutes as seeing it in slow motion. And besides, I have already proven that seeing has nothing to do with your speed of movement. I can see a bullet as 5mph with only human speed movement. I will see the bullet's entire flight, even the part where it enters my body. There's nothing I can do but watch.
Your problem is that your assuming that the human body is incapable of moving at a greater speed than it can travel by foot and that's incorrect. People throw punches at far faster speeds than most people can run on foot, but that doesn't stop other people from dodging their punches at close range.
Tell you what, go ahead and stand up where you are. Done? Ok now swing your torso to one side as fast as you possibly can. Done now? Ok now I doubt that you have anyone around that happens to have a radar gun handy but I can almost guarantee that if you really did it as fast as possible, you just moved a large portion of your body at a faster speed than you can run on foot.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
You're forgetting the spider-sense. That is a very big factor and the reason why it doesn't make any sense for Cap to have landed as many blows as he did in their little battles. He should know what Cap is going to do every time he attacks.