Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

Originally posted by h1a8
You are just ranting. You made absolutely no sense. Come again please. I don't understand why you can't understand that Spiderman has many times dodged things that were in succession at much smaller intervals than anything CA can do. This alone proves that his SS renews constantly. [B]Otherwise, explain why he doesn't get hit when someone is spraying machine gun fire on him. [/B]

Because the people firing bullets at him dont have enhanced reflexes and have not studied him. Spiderman has stated when dodging bullets from a really fast opponent he cant rely soley on his SS but his reflexes as well.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4324/feat2ssspeedtq1.jpg

Note he states he is relying on his SS AND his reflexes his SS alone is not enough. Therefore his SS is not enough and if fighting somebody with similar reflexes he will still get hit. Yes Cap can probably punch at the speed of a bullet and since its close range as well it would be alot harder to dodge.

Originally posted by h1a8

And SM can never be a sitting duck to a bullet. It is too small. SM can easily twist and turn in the air to avoid being struck. Now Spiderman would be a sitting duck to an attack that has a very wide range (like cyclops wide forest beam or Hulk's thunderclap).

My god man not if its heading for the middle of his body is he twists he will just get hit in the side. You cant twist when your in mid-jump.

Originally posted by h1a8

Spiderman webbing a shield (or performing another distracting task) shouldn't prevent him from getting shot by a gun in the back. Why? Because he was many times distracted when someone either shot at him from behind or tried to sneak up on him. They failed miserably.

What was he doing talking? Spiderman was in mid-air there was nothing he could do.

Originally posted by h1a8

While Spiderman is webbing the shield his SS will be watching his back. That means it was BS that Cap was able to hit him (especially when bullets was not able to).

LOL the SS cant make him fly he was a sitting duck even if he twisted his body he would have still got hit.

Tell me hows the SS going to help him after hes thrown a punch. It cant if hes fighting somebody of similar reflexes

Originally posted by Mindship

In any event, I have to acknowledge the evidence, but I gotta tell ya: it just don't feel right (no offense to Cap fans).

1. His SS can be tricked.
2. He is only slightly faster than Cap.
3. Cap has a massive skill advantage and on top of that analysed Spiderman before they fought.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
It doesn't have to be setup as a rule, just for Spider-Man take this fight seriously. And for the record, there was also no rule or scenario that's has Spidey and Cap in a situation where they didn't really want to fight each other. Spidey only holds back when he is not trying to hurt his opponent. Not in a battle that requires him to in order to win. That is common sense, not a rule that I made later in the thread, as you put it. Spidey is fighting in-character, the same way he does when battling anyone of his villains. Which means that he is not holding back and he has to hurt them inorder to defeat them. It's no different in this fight, that reqiures a winner. And every real fight Spidey's has, he is not holding back. And this is a real fight. Not one that is happening because of certain currcumstances.

You've missed the point of my post. I received complaints that you were changing the rules of your thread during the debate, so I came in to tell you not to do that. I don't think I can make it simpler than that.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Yes I think I know where you're coming from. IF and Shang-Chi Have abilities that allow them to amplify their physical attributes to superhuman levels that even surpass Spidey. They bring abilities to the fight that Cap doesn't. So BUSTER1, you are right. It is obvious.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
And I guest against Cap, Spidey somehow forgot to use his power when needed. And Doc Oct, Venom, Scorpion, Rhino, and Green Goblin are not villains I'd classify as regular joes. They all give Spidey a very hard time to deal with.

pfffft Cap did better in a h2h with the Wrecker while weakened from torture and minus one shield than Spidey did with his webs AND spiderwoman's help.
And again when he had the rest of the new avengers backing him up... And once more after that too.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
We'll just have to agree to disagree 😐

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Does anyone else love this? It always happens. Someone gets utterly MUTILATED in a debate, and in some sort of attempt to make it appear to be a draw, they offer to 'agree to disagree.' Almost always because they cannot counter a single one of the opposition's (wholly accurate) points.

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Originally posted by Soljer
😆 😆 😆

Does anyone else love this? It always happens. Someone gets utterly [b]MUTILATED in a debate, and in some sort of attempt to make it appear to be a draw, they offer to 'agree to disagree.' Almost always because they cannot counter a single one of the opposition's (wholly accurate) points.

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He is a strong fan to his characters. Thats why I love this board, without fans. It wouldn't be worth it too debate.

Besides you never know, maybe he has become more knowledgeable now on certain characters.

Originally posted by jinzin
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Cap knows about chi manipulation too.

But not on the same level as IF and Shang-Chi do.

Originally posted by jinzin
pfffft Cap did better in a h2h with the Wrecker while weakened from torture and minus one shield than Spidey did with his webs AND spiderwoman's help.
And again when he had the rest of the new avengers backing him up... And once more after that too.

Again, that is just another incident where Spidey abilities are brought down and Cap's has been pushed up.

Originally posted by Soljer
😆 😆 😆

Does anyone else love this? It always happens. Someone gets utterly [b]MUTILATED in a debate, and in some sort of attempt to make it appear to be a draw, they offer to 'agree to disagree.' Almost always because they cannot counter a single one of the opposition's (wholly accurate) points.

🤣 🤣 🤣 [/B]

In no way do I see or believe that it is a draw. I just don't feel that there is no point to try and prove something when you feel strongly about your opinions and I feel the same about mines.

marvelknight.................you got pwned at every turn through out this debate by a number of memebers of the board.

Captain America is powered by America, that's why he has crazy feats.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
marvelknight.................you got pwned at every turn through out this debate by a number of memebers of the board.

I think not. I've made points that still go unanswered. You and several others have tried to insult my intelligences and than report to the mods, claiming that I'm trying to change the rules of this thread. And worse of all, every body tries to compare Cap high end feats to low showings of Spider-Man. Just because those low showing were against the very same person he is up against in this thread. And at the same time, you all ignore the fact that their fights had certain factors involved in it. And this thread had no scenario that would have Spidey not going all out against Cap. He does not have to be blood lusted in order to use his full potential. That's what most people fail to see.

Cap has 1 advantage over Spiderman -martial art h2h skill. Spiderman, advantage wise has speed, agility, strength, durability(from having a much stronger superstrong body). Experience wise, there is a lot less in it than speed wise. Spidey takes it!

Originally posted by Marvelknight
I think not. I've made points that still go unanswered. You and several others have tried to insult my intelligences and than report to the mods, claiming that I'm trying to change the rules of this thread. And worse of all, every body tries to compare Cap high end feats to low showings of Spider-Man. Just because those low showing were against the very same person he is up against in this thread. And at the same time, you all ignore the fact that their fights had certain factors involved in it. And this thread had no scenario that would have Spidey not going all out against Cap. He does not have to be blood lusted in order to use his full potential. That's what most people fail to see.

Marvelknight, you are not alone-Spidey wasn't bloodlusted when he koed Firelord. But he beat him anyway. I have stated that Pete shouldn't have beat him, considering their different power sets. But as some people on here think its ok for Spidey to lose against people he shouldn't, and getting beat by just 2 of Jigsaw's hired hands isn't PIS- then I say that his victory over Firelord is a fair estimation of what Mr.Parker, realistically, could do.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
I think not.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
I've made points that still go unanswered.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
You and several others have tried to insult my intelligences

Originally posted by Marvelknight
and than report to the mods, claiming that I'm trying to change the rules of this thread.

And no I have not reported you to the mod’s.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
And worse of all, every body tries to compare Cap high end feats to low showings of Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Just because those low showing were against the very same person he is up against in this thread.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
And at the same time, you all ignore the fact that their fights had certain factors involved in it. And this thread had no scenario that would have Spidey not going all out against Cap. He does not have to be blood lusted in order to use his full potential. That's what most people fail to see.

You forgot that cis is still resent in this match up.

Also do you forget that capt has the ability to go all out as well?

Sorry, but you keep saying spiderman this and spiderman that and forget all about capt.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Marvelknight, you are not alone-Spidey wasn't bloodlusted when he koed Firelord. But he beat him anyway. I have stated that Pete shouldn't have beat him, considering their different power sets. But as some people on here think its ok for Spidey to lose against people he shouldn't, and getting beat by just 2 of Jigsaw's hired hands isn't PIS- then I say that his victory over Firelord is a fair estimation of what Mr.Parker, realistically, could do.

then you would be an idiot.

Okay, let's be civil everybody.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
But not on the same level as IF and Shang-Chi do.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Again, that is just another incident where Spidey abilities are brought down and Cap's has been pushed up.

If every incident is one where Cap is pushed up ACCORDING TO YOU, and Spidey's pushed down ACCORDING TO YOU, then that only tells me that you're ignoring the high majority of feats for a low minority to better suit your interpretations of how either character SHOULD BE instead of how they actually exist. In h2h Cap is > Spiderman.
By ABC logic, random feats, and direct comparisons Cap is Spiderman's superior here. No amount of made up advantages to Spiderman's durability, and speed is going to change what can be destinguished by on panel PROOF. 😐

Spidey.

On paper Spidey wins 10/10, however because of comic politics Cap draws even inspite of serious PIS/CIS.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
On paper Spidey wins 10/10, however because of comic politics Cap draws even inspite of serious PIS/CIS.