Originally posted by Phantom ZoneOf course Spidey uses his reflexes too. That is why CA can't hit him if he sees him as a statue. But no that Spidey has dodge multiple bullets that were coming at him from all angles. He couldn't see them all but had to rely solely on his SS. Another time Spidey was blindfolded and dodging things. So he didn't use his reflexes there either.
Because the people firing bullets at him dont have enhanced reflexes and have not studied him. Spiderman has stated when dodging bullets from a really fast opponent he cant rely soley on his SS but his reflexes as well.
I seriously doubt CA can punch with the speed of a bullet. That's utterly ridiculous. But notheless, Spidey sees bullets in slow motion without his SS. So even with the SS how would spidey get hit?
[B]Note he states he is relying on his SS AND his reflexes his SS alone is not enough. Therefore his SS is not enough and if fighting somebody with similar reflexes he will still get hit. Yes Cap can probably punch at the speed of a bullet and since its close range as well it would be alot harder to dodge.[/B]
Super wrong. A person can easily tuck their mid section in (like a diver doing a swan dive). And yes you can twist in midjump. You can twist in any part of the jump. Hell, skydivers twist and turn anytime they want.
My god man not if its heading for the middle of his body is he twists he will just get hit in the side. You cant twist when your in mid-jump.
He can turn in the air. But why are we talking about this anyway? CA doesn't have a shield to make Spidey web it. And Spidey can't web here either (h2h remember).
What was he doing talking? Spiderman was in mid-air there was nothing he could do.
Here are some false statements (true comments follows):
1. His SS can be tricked. (No sir it can't)
2. He is only slightly faster than Cap. (A lot faster)
3. Cap has a massive skill advantage and on top of that analysed Spiderman before they fought. (CA has no skill advantage, actually Spidey has the skill advantage since his powers give him a fighting skill and style that transcends CA's skill).
Originally posted by h1a8
1. His SS can be tricked. (No sir it can't)
Prove it.
Originally posted by h1a8
2. He is only slightly faster than Cap. (A lot faster)
Prove it.
Originally posted by h1a8
3. Cap has a massive skill advantage and on top of that analysed Spiderman before they fought. (CA has no skill advantage, actually Spidey has the skill advantage since his powers give him a fighting skill and style that transcends CA's skill).
Prove it.
Originally posted by h1a8
This is a ridiculous thread. I thought forum fights were different than comic ones. I guess not to some people. There is absolutely no way for CA to beat Spidey. None!
Even still, this is a comic book debate forum where we get our evidence from none other then comic books.
How hard is it for you to realize that?
Are you calling everybody who has won a toruney on this forum wrong, since you know, there seems to be alot of comic book scans in their post?
Originally posted by h1a8
This is a ridiculous thread. I thought forum fights were different than comic ones. I guess not to some people. There is absolutely no way for CA to beat Spidey. None!
It is ridiculous when Spiderman fans ignore evidence. When Spiderman fans ignore all the elite martial artists that give Spiderman trouble.
When the Spiderman fans ignore Cap has had the advantage in there confratations.
When the Spiderman fans ignore the forum rules. Its almost nonsensical. Because of it.
There's no way and yet the scans don't lie it shows the way. Your opinion are the base for who wins and who loses.
Originally posted by h1a8
Of course Spidey uses his reflexes too. That is why CA can't hit him if he sees him as a statue.
We have posted 100 scans that prove otherwise.
Originally posted by h1a8
But no that Spidey has dodge multiple bullets that were coming at him from all angles. He couldn't see them all but had to rely solely on his SS.
Again those were probably fired by people who dont even have enhanced reflexes they were normal humans. Furthermore you dont even klnow if he soley relied on his SS you are just assuming that. Obvoulsy if his SS warns him a split second before it wont be able to warn him of everything if there are lots of bullets flying around.
Originally posted by h1a8
Another time Spidey was blindfolded and dodging things. So he didn't use his reflexes there either.
Dodgin what? What 'things', so he can dodge some 'things' blindfolded means he can dodge Cap all day?
Originally posted by h1a8
I seriously doubt CA can punch with the speed of a bullet. That's utterly ridiculous.
Im ridiculous, you're the one saying that Spiderman is much faster despite the fact people have provided hundred of scans to prove otherwise. Some bullets travel as fast as 400mph, sinca Cap can deflect bullets after they have been fired and can see bullets in slow motion yeah I think he can punch with the speed of a bullet.
Hell the guy can jog at 60 mph his top speed is probably many times faster.
Originally posted by h1a8
But notheless, Spidey sees bullets in slow motion without his SS. So even with the SS how would spidey get hit?
Beacuse Cap can see bullets in slow motion as well for God sake!
Originally posted by h1a8
Super wrong. A person can easily tuck their mid section in (like a diver doing a swan dive). And yes you can twist in midjump. You can twist in any part of the jump. Hell, skydivers twist and turn anytime they want.
Ok they can twist in mid-air my bad. Yes they can tuck there mid-section in but the mid-section has not moved its still in the same area of space. How does tucking your mid-section stop a bullet from hitting it, you do realise it would just hit another part of the body?
Originally posted by h1a8Here are some false statements (true comments follows):
1. His SS can be tricked. (No sir it can't)
2. He is only slightly faster than Cap. (A lot faster)
3. Cap has a massive skill advantage and on top of that analysed Spiderman before they fought. (CA has no skill advantage, actually Spidey has the skill advantage since his powers give him a fighting skill and style that transcends CA's skill).
Prove it.
You know what ive noticed you have not answered my question
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneTell me hows the SS going to help him after hes thrown a punch. It cant if hes fighting somebody of similar reflexes
Originally posted by Daredevil1
When the Spiderman fans ignore the forum rules. Its almost nonsensical. Because of it.
It's you who isn't following the rules. Unless you believe you know more than the Mods. This is a quote from Badabing. And if you don't believe me, you can all ways ask him yourself.
As far as everything else in the thread goes, CIS is taken out of the fight per forum rules and Spidey is at the top of his game. Class 15 strenght, spider sense and super human reflexes>>>>>Cap w/o a shiled imo.
So basically, this is Spidey right after the "Rebirth" storyline. Since this is Spidey preforming at his best. Forum rules right 😖hifty:
And this is what Spidey can do while not holding back.
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Originally posted by Battlehammer
Becuases your annoying, ignorant and keep spouting loads of bull shit.
Then I'll have to thank you. You see everybody needs haters. And let me tell you that I take great pleasure in telling you that I'll be going nowhere no time soon, since you feel that way. You may have been here longer. But I have made a place for me here and I've showed my appreciation for this site as much as anybody else.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Even still, this is a [b]comic book debate forum where we get our evidence from none other then comic books.How hard is it for you to realize that?
Are you calling everybody who has won a toruney on this forum wrong, since you know, there seems to be alot of comic book scans in their post? [/B]
My friend what is the difference between a forum fight and a comic one?
Let's see if you know.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
It is ridiculous when Spiderman fans ignore evidence. When Spiderman fans ignore all the elite martial artists that give Spiderman trouble.When the Spiderman fans ignore Cap has had the advantage in there confratations.
When the Spiderman fans ignore the forum rules. Its almost nonsensical. Because of it.
There's no way and yet the scans don't lie it shows the way. Your opinion are the base for who wins and who loses.
I don't care if Martial Artists gave spidey trouble 10000/10000 times consistently. If these characters were real then it wouldn't happen. The same as Superman (the guy who can pick bullets out of the air like Neo) being hit a billion times by slugs doesn't mean that he will if he were real. And know that we treat these characters as real when we talk about them. Comic fights are solely dictated on the direction of the story, the idea to promote characters, or false adversity (because writers can't think of anything better) and not realistically who would win.
I can use the same argument that since Superman has been hit by slugs millions of times then Hulk would get in at least a few shots if they fought. But we all should know better. Superman can transcend light, can race a photon to its target (earlier Superman's), can pick still motion bullets out of the air, can respond to a gunshot fired miles away and get there to stop it from hitting its victim (and the gun was fired about 10 feet from its victim).
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIt's amazing how fanboys use words like 'jog' to exaggerated a feat. I don't believe CA can even run 60 mph. Personally I think its BS. But 'jog' is just plain ridiculous. Stop reaching okay.Im ridiculous, you're the one saying that Spiderman is much faster despite the fact people have provided hundred of scans to prove otherwise. Some bullets travel as fast as 400mph, sinca Cap can deflect bullets after they have been fired and can see bullets in slow motion yeah I think he can punch with the speed of a bullet.
Hell the guy can jog at 60 mph his top speed is probably many times faster.
CA has never deflected a bullet after it been fired (show me). Even so, one's arm has to move much slower than the bullet to deflect it. This is because the bullet is traveling a longer distance. I don't even believe I'm arguing about whether CA can punch with the speed of a bullet. You just put yourself on silly street with that one.
Why are you deflecting my points? What does CA seeing bullets in slow motion have to do with being able to hit Spidey (who will see CA in slow motion by shear reflexes alone). You seeing in slow motion doesn't mean you can hit me.Beacuse Cap can see bullets in slow motion as well for God sake!
First turn sideways then tuck. The bullet will miss you everytime. Get it?
Ok they can twist in mid-air my bad. Yes they can tuck there mid-section in but the mid-section has not moved its still in the same area of space. How does tucking your mid-section stop a bullet from hitting it, you do realise it would just hit another part of the body?
My friend it only takes 5-10x more reflexes than a human to see and respond to a bullet (divide the bullets speed by 10 and its speed becomes less than a fastball in which I can easily dodge myself). Spidey's reflexes on the other hand is 40x that of a human. So his reflexes alone is more than 4 times that of CA. Spidey can travel more than 4 times the distance than CA when a bullet is in the air. This is proven by CA barely leaning out of the way vs. Spidey moving totally away and around the bullet.Prove it.
You know what ive noticed you have not answered my question
Originally posted by h1a8
My friend what is the difference between a forum fight and a comic one?
Let's see if you know.
I am fully aware of the differences of a forum fight and a comic one. I also understand that in a forum fight we still need evidence, not just speculation as you so diligently have provided (see below). With any thing in comics (hell just life in general) consistency is key, to bad for you spidey has consistently been droped by high tier martial artist.
Originally posted by h1a8 It's amazing how fanboys use words like 'jog' to exaggerated a feat. I don't believe CA can even run 60 mph. Personally I think its BS. But 'jog' is just plain ridiculous. Stop reaching okay. ]
So basically our point has been proven, you will accept all of spideys feats but none of caps.
Nice logic.
Originally posted by h1a8 Why are you deflecting my points? What does CA seeing bullets in slow motion have to do with being able to hit Spidey (who will see CA in slow motion by shear reflexes alone). You seeing in slow motion doesn't mean you can hit me.]
Again, prove spidey will see cap in slow motion. You still haven't.
Oh wait a minute, let me guess, you dont have any proof?
Originally posted by h1a8
My friend it only takes 5-10x more reflexes than a human to see and respond to a bullet (divide the bullets speed by 10 and its speed becomes less than a fastball in which I can easily dodge myself). Spidey's reflexes on the other hand is 40x that of a human. So his reflexes alone is more than 4 times that of CA. Spidey can travel more than 4 times the distance than CA when a bullet is in the air. This is proven by CA barely leaning out of the way vs. Spidey moving totally away and around the bullet.
Your so smart, because we all know a bullet has the same surface area as a baseball.
Take a baseball and have it fly randomly around your house for 5 minutes at about 4 miles per hour, how many times do you think you would lose track of if.
Now turn that baseball into a common housefly, then tell me how many times you will lose it?
I lol'ed so hard when you said "I only need to be this much faster blah blah blah" because being fast is not all you need to dodge something. You have to register its even there to dodge it, and then be fast enough to dodge it. Thus cap seeing in slow motion matters.
Also, can you prove spidey has 40x the reflexes of a human being?
I've been waiting. Yet no one provides any. I NEED PROOF NOT JUST YOUR SPECULATION!!!
Understand that?
