Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

Originally posted by Mindship
Canon means it's official. It doesn't mean it's necessarily right. We all know comics are subject to the tides and eddies of the real world, and it can be very tough to make a case for that (especially when that argument is often abused) when determining the outcome of a forum fight. Personally, I don't like arguing against canon at all, though my eyes have really been opened about what Cap can do. It's a shame Spider-Man doesn't get equal treatment, IMO. He'd be a nigh untouchable superhuman wrecking ball.

Cap is just like Batman, they can do anything.

The thing about this thread that I don't like it that there is a double standard. In other debates, Cap was greatly given the victory over Batman, because of his physical superiority. And in this thread, Cap is physically outmatched, and people are still debating that he should win the majority. Spidey is more physically superior to Cap than Cap is to Batman. And Batman has the fighting skills to match. Something has to give, Cap fans/supporters can't have it both ways. If Spidey loses to Cap in-spite of being more physically superior. Than Cap should also lose to Bats. Since they are more closer in fighting skills and physical ability. The only way I'll except Cap beating Spidey, is if everyone supporting Cap also agrees that Batman can too. And If not. Anyone who has ever argued that Cap will beat Batman because he is physically superior, forfeits their argument. And for some other Cap supporters (whos name I don't need to mention, you know who you are), if this was a Cap vs Wolverine thread you wouldn't never except Cap winning for the majority. If you think that Cap should defeat Spidey (without his shield), he would also defeat Wolverine as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
Some here are saying that CA and Spidey's speed feats are similar.
But if one was to carefully analyze their best feats then he would determine that Spidey is at least twice as fast. For example, if both Flash and Classic Quicksiver dodges a bullet then their feat seems similar but we all know that Flash is much faster.

Because the Flash has other feats that blow Quicksilver's best out of the water.

Spidey doesn't have a single speed feat that Cap can't match - at least not that I've seen from any of the comics I've read, or the half dozen respect threads Spidey's had made in his honor.

Agility feats, strength feats? Sure. Spidey's got Cap outclassed in those. Pure speed? Nah.

Uh duh... that's because Batman and Cap are so evenly matched in all aspects, that the only thing you can go on is strength.

And Wolverine is a better fighter than Spider-Man, is more durable, and is a thousand times more deadly to Cap. Cut?

doh

Originally posted by Marvelknight
The thing about this thread that I don't like it that there is a double standard. In other debates, Cap was greatly given the victory over Batman, because of his physical superiority. And in this thread, Cap is physically outmatched, and people are still debating that he should win the majority. Spidey is more physically superior to Cap than Cap is to Batman. And Batman has the fighting skills to match. Something has to give, Cap fans/supporters can't have it both ways. If Spidey loses to Cap in-spite of being more physically superior. Than Cap should also lose to Bats. Since they are more closer in fighting skills and physical ability. The only way I'll except Cap beating Spidey, is if everyone supporting Cap also agrees that Batman can too. And If not. Anyone who has ever argued that Cap will beat Batman because he is physically superior, forfeits their argument. And for some other Cap supporters (whos name I don't need to mention, you know who you are), if this was a Cap vs Wolverine thread you wouldn't never except Cap winning for the majority. If you think that Cap should defeat Spidey (without his shield), he would also defeat Wolverine as well.

I think Spiderman's a chump when pitted against Captain America's skills. Do you know why I think that? Because even a mutated-enhanced, Iron Spidey suit wearin Spiderman admits it:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Cap beats Batman because he's better, stronger and has more stamina than Batman. Cap also beats Wolverine for the majority because he's better than Logan is. Cap can stalemate Spidey H2H because despite being weaker and slower and lacking his shield, he's studied Spidey's unorthodox style so completely, that he can play him. Happy?

I think Spiderman's a chump when pitted against Captain America's skills. Do you know why I think that? Because even a mutated-enhanced, Iron Spidey suit wearin Spiderman admits it:

He is not better than Batman. And a scan war won't prove anything neither.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
He is not better than Batman. And a scan war won't prove anything neither.

A scan war won't prove anything when one of those waging the war has no scans to put up. That'd be you. The fact that Spiderman has come up short in all of their 1v1 fights is obvious after many many pages. You couldn't war with me on scans even if you wanted to. When fighting Cap, Spidey's a chump.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Do you like JLA/Avengers? Personally, I don't. But do you? Because if you do, you can find your answers in there.

A scan war won't prove anything when one of those waging the war has no scans to put up. That'd be you. The fact that Spiderman has come up short in all of their 1v1 fights is obvious after many many pages. You couldn't war with me on scans even if you wanted to. When fighting Cap, Spidey's a chump.

There is no answer there for the same reason that you can't say for sure that Cap would beat Spidey. No one was really fighting at their best and you're only assuming the out come because of a few pages. You have proved nothing. All you've provided was your opinion.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
There is no answer there for the same reason that you can't say for sure that Cap would beat Spidey. No one was really fighting at their best and you're only assuming the out come because of a few pages. You have proved nothing. All you've provided was your opinion.

"He's hit me three times. I didn't get him once. Elapsed time... ten seconds. The man knows more about hand to hand fighting than I'll ever learn in a hundred years. Makes me feel like a chump. Fine. Use the anger. Make him fight my way. Not his. He's studied me. That's why he wants to fight close. He knows my every move, my every skill and power..."

Considering that this thread makes Spidey fight Cap H2H, and that is Cap's way of fighting, I'd say for sure that Cap would at least stalemate Spidey in a pure H2H fight. Especially a current Spidey without mutated enhancements or Iron Spidey suits. But I do recognize that not having his shield is a worse handicap than Spidey losing his webs.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're right, in that I have provided my opinion. What I also did was provide Spidey's opinion in a scan as well:

"He's hit me three times. I didn't get him once. Elapsed time... ten seconds. The man knows more about hand to hand fighting than I'll ever learn in a hundred years. Makes me feel like a chump. Fine. Use the anger. Make him fight my way. Not his. He's studied me. That's why he wants to fight close. He knows my every move, my every skill and power..."

Considering that this thread makes Spidey fight Cap H2H, and that is Cap's way of fighting, I'd say for sure that Cap would at least stalemate Spidey in a pure H2H fight. Especially a current Spidey without mutated enhancements or Iron Spidey suits. But I do recognize that not having his shield is a worse handicap than Spidey losing his webs.

Well that's the writer's opinion not Spidey's.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Uh duh... that's because Batman and Cap are so evenly matched in all aspects, that the only thing you can go on is strength.

And Wolverine is a better fighter than Spider-Man, is more durable, and is a thousand times more deadly to Cap. Cut?

doh

So by your logic, you must think that Wonder Woman would defeat Superman because she is a better fighter right?

Originally posted by h1a8
Some here are saying that CA and Spidey's speed feats are similar.
But if one was to carefully analyze their best feats then he would determine that Spidey is at least twice as fast. For example, if both Flash and Classic Quicksiver dodges a bullet then their feat seems similar but we all know that Flash is much faster.

With that said, some are saying that since people in the panel claim that CA can see bullets in slow motion (by how much is really the question though) then CA can see Spidey in slow motion. But seeing in slow motion is ambiguous. For seeing something 10-50% slower results in seeing in slow motion as well as seeing something 97.5% slower.

Bottom line: Since Spidey can see bullets in 97.5% slow motion then he can definitely see CA in almost still motion. Also Spidey is at least twice as fast as CA since he moves more than twice the distance than CA in the same amount of time (CA barely leaning out of the way of a bullet vs. Spidey totally not being in the vicinity of the bullet).

So one has to come to the conclusion that CA wins 6 or more out of 10 is wrong since this is at least a stalemate for Spidey.

Except that has Soljer pointed out there's multitudes of feats where Flash does feats considerably faster than QS. Spiderman has no such feats that put him over CA.

If Flash didn't have faster feats no one would deam him faster. 😬

And where the hell are you getting that Spidey can see bullets in 97.5% slow motion.. now you're straight up making up numbers.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
So by your logic, you must think that Wonder Woman would defeat Superman because she is a better fighter right?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Considering she is weaker, slower, less durable, and has less versatility?

Well that doesn't sound too different from this fight 😬

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Well that doesn't sound too different from this fight 😬

Also, Cap can hit hard enough to hurt Spider-Man. He's fast enough to avoid a bunch of blows. He's fast enough to hit him. And he's durable enough to take many a blow.

Also, Superman usually wins against Wonder Woman using overwhelming strength (and other things mentioned). Does Spider-Man win against Cap using overwhelming strength? Does Spider-Man ever win against Cap?
Hell, has Cap also ever mentioned he couldn't take Spider-Man?

It's a faulty comparison to say the least.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
The thing about this thread that I don't like it that there is a double standard.

Or deaming what Spidey does as acceptable, but ignoring what Cap can do.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
In other debates, Cap was greatly given the victory over Batman, because of his physical superiority.

Uh yeah, because him and Batman are mirror equals in both fighting ability and strategical awareness/intelligence. Cap's physicality is really the only advantage he has over Bruce. And even then it's only a marginal one due to his SSS.

If Spiderman was anywhere near as good a fighter as Captain America, Even half as good, his odds in this fight would go up astronomically.. but he's not, and his advantage in strength isn't enough to make up for it for the majority of the time.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
And in this thread, Cap is physically outmatched, and people are still debating that he should win the majority.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Spidey is more physically superior to Cap than Cap is to Batman. And Batman has the fighting skills to match. Something has to give, Cap fans/supporters can't have it both ways. If Spidey loses to Cap in-spite of being more physically superior. Than Cap should also lose to Bats.

😬

lol.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Since they are more closer in fighting skills and physical ability. The only way I'll except Cap beating Spidey, is if everyone supporting Cap also agrees that Batman can too. And If not. Anyone who has ever argued that Cap will beat Batman because he is physically superior, forfeits their argument.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
And for some other Cap supporters (whos name I don't need to mention, you know who you are), if this was a Cap vs Wolverine thread you wouldn't never except Cap winning for the majority. If you think that Cap should defeat Spidey (without his shield), he would also defeat Wolverine as well.

Your comparisons are craptacular. 😐

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Did you miss your previous statement? You acted like strength meant nothing in Cap vs Batman, and then you acted like WW and Superman were equal... except she was a better fighter. And Cap is equal to Batman, except he's apparently stronger using your logic. However, WW and Superman are not equal in anything really...

Also, Cap can hit hard enough to hurt Spider-Man. He's fast enough to avoid a bunch of blows. He's fast enough to hit him. And he's durable enough to take many a blow.

Also, Superman usually wins against Wonder Woman using overwhelming strength (and other things mentioned). Does Spider-Man win against Cap using overwhelming strength? Does Spider-Man ever win against Cap?
Hell, has Cap also ever mentioned he couldn't take Spider-Man?

It's a faulty comparison to say the least.

You're so wrong. Look up the WW vs Superman thread. I think they are far from equal. And I never said that strength means nothing. What I meant in my last post, is that like CA and SM. WW is the better fighter while Superman is physically superior to her, like Spider-Man is to CA. And yet you feel that SM shouldn't take the majority over CA.

Originally posted by jinzin
Like you, and more than half the Spiderman supporters crying PIS against Spidey being taken down by physically inferior opponents and then supporting Spidey in taking down physically superior opponents?

Or deaming what Spidey does as acceptable, but ignoring what Cap can do.

Uh yeah, because him and Batman are mirror equals in both fighting ability and strategical awareness/intelligence. Cap's physicality is really the only advantage he has over Bruce. And even then it's only a marginal one due to his SSS.

If Spiderman was anywhere near as good a fighter as Captain America, Even half as good, his odds in this fight would go up astronomically.. but he's not, and his advantage in strength isn't enough to make up for it for the majority of the time.

Because he has other attributes that make up for his lack of strength. Where as Batman doesn't have any advantages over Cap in h2h.

😬

lol.

false ass dychotomy nonsense here.

Wolverine is not only physicaly superior to Cap but equivolent in skill as well.. Cap holds no advantages over Wolverine. He does however over Spiderman. 😐

Your comparisons are craptacular. 😐

Anyway, Spidey wins. Whoever says different is banned. uhuh

J/K 😛 Revenge for that PM. biscuits duryes

Originally posted by Marvelknight
You're so wrong. Look up the WW vs Superman thread. I think they are far from equal. And I never said that strength means nothing. What I meant in my last post, is that like CA and SM. WW is the better fighter while Superman is physically superior to her, like Spider-Man is to CA. And yet you feel that SM shouldn't take the majority over CA.

Superman is also faster, and has devastating powers against her. And I'm of course, basing this on comics. If you wish to compare Superman/WW to Cap/Spider-Man, then be my guest. However, the only thing that you have to support you... is well... nothing.

Physically superior? What, are they having a lifting contest? Because Cap can hit hard enough to impair powered up Spider-Man in three hits. And I seriously doubt current Spidey can injure Cap enough to make a difference in three hits. <---->
So, what really matters in this fight? Bio ratings?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
You used it in contrast to Batman/Cap... who are equal (minus aspect), so maybe you should articulate your points.

Superman is also faster, and has devastating powers against her. And I'm of course, basing this on comics. If you wish to compare Superman/WW to Cap/Spider-Man, then be my guest. However, the only thing that you have to support you... is well... nothing.

Physically superior? What, are they having a lifting contest? Because Cap can hit hard enough to impair powered up Spider-Man in three hits. And I seriously doubt current Spidey can injure Cap enough to make a difference in three hits. <---->
So, what really matters in this fight? Bio ratings?

The problem is that you think it is just strength that Spidey has over CA. Spidey is also faster, more durable, and more agile.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
The problem is that you think it is just strength that Spidey has over CA. Spidey is also faster, more durable, and more agile.

What does that matter when Cap can hurt Spidey more than Spidey can hurt Cap in the same amount of shots?

Which matters... why? Let's say that's true. Cap has had no problem hitting Spidey before.