Originally posted by h1a8
Is that so? Well why hasn't CA ever been able to move his body more than a foot out of the way of after fired bullet. Spidey has moved more than 4 feet even after the bullet was fired. If this doesn't blow CA's best feats away then I guess there exist bias here. With this, you have to agree that Spidey is at least twice as fast as CA (I think he's more than 4x myself)? Otherwise show a CA feat matching a feat that has one covering more than 4 feet after a bullet is in midflight.
4 feet?
When?
You realise that Cap has jumped up into a tree after being fired upon.
How does your meaningless hyperbole blow CA's feats out of the way? You need SCANS, PROOF... try it sometime. It's nice having a leg to stand on.
Originally posted by Soljer
Any feat you can post for Spidey, I can match for Cap.
Originally posted by h1a8This whole post is irrelivent since they don't operate at 40X human reflexes. that's just more hyperbole he told his wife.
Let a bullets speed be V.
If spidey reflexes operate at 40x that of human's then he sees the bullet at V/40. Now this is V-V/40 decrease or (39/40)*V decrease which is 97.5% of the original V. Another way to look at it is since V/40 is .025V or 2.5% of V then Spidey sees the bullet at 2.5% speed or 97.5% slower.You should know that I never make up numbers. My numbers always come from the comics and handbooks.
You do make up your numbers, just like you've been making up everything else in this thread Mr. "Spiderman can see these guys like a statue".... Where's the proof where he's EVER done anything like that whatsoever?
Oh that's right it doesn't exist, cause you were pullin shit out of your ass and trying to pass it as proof.
If hyperbole's so important Cap wins... why? Because he "always finds a way"...
Originally posted by Mindship
I don't recall ever seeing Cap in one of those multiple-image drawings, what artists use to suggest great speed and/or agility (with Spidey it's usually both). This may not mean much: I never read much Cap. But I would like to see a scan of this if it does exist.
Yeah because if you read alot of Cap comics you would know there are lots of them, but like you said that does'nt always mean anything.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Is there a scan of someone shooting and Cap leaping after the bullet has been fired? Cause that'd be pretty impressive for somebody with no superspeed or peak human reflexes.
He has enhanced reflexes. I cant be assed to find them, maybe somebody else will.
Originally posted by Mindship
I don't recall ever seeing Cap in one of those multiple-image drawings, what artists use to suggest great speed and/or agility (with Spidey it's usually both). This may not mean much: I never read much Cap. But I would like to see a scan of this if it does exist (preferably from a much older comic).
Originally posted by Mindship
Kindly post just one. C'mon. You know you want to. 😉
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8664/avengersannual11198209gv5.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5233/captainamerica111tomorrue2.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1874/captainamerica111tomorrvn1.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5934/captainamericaannual061fa2.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2365/captainamerica247bythedvw6.jpg
Originally posted by jinzinNo CA hasn't. Show me. And the scan must show CA into the tree while the bullet is still in the air. Otherwise, the bullet could have missed him by inches or missed him completely (didn't dodge it at all).You realise that Cap has jumped up into a tree after being fired upon.
How does your meaningless hyperbole blow CA's feats out of the way? You need SCANS, PROOF... try it sometime. It's nice having a leg to stand on.
Originally posted by jinzin
This whole post is irrelivent since they don't operate at 40X human reflexes. that's just more hyperbole he told his wife.
IF he does than so does Cap as they have comparable speed in non related feats and direct comparisons, just because Cap's never told a woman in undies that he was 40X faster than a regular joe I suppose his feats are less valid... ppfffft....You do make up your numbers, just like you've been making up everything else in this thread Mr. "Spiderman can see these guys like a statue".... Where's the proof where he's EVER done anything like that whatsoever?
Oh that's right it doesn't exist, cause you were pullin shit out of your ass and trying to pass it as proof.If hyperbole's so important Cap wins... why? Because he "always finds a way"...
You have no proof that it is hyperbole. For Spidey has backed that statement up all his career.
And common sense says that if someone sees bullets in over 97% slow motion then they have to see CA in still motion, whether it happened in comics or not. Remember, I don't take any of the comic CA vs. Spidey fights as the truth of what will happen if the two were real and fought. And CA will never find a way to not be a statue to Spidey.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Here you go...http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8664/avengersannual11198209gv5.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5233/captainamerica111tomorrue2.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1874/captainamerica111tomorrvn1.jpghttp://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5934/captainamericaannual061fa2.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2365/captainamerica247bythedvw6.jpg
Thanks, darth.
If I may nitpick: do you have any of Cap dodging multiple incoming, the way Spidey does? What you have here is Cap being very acrobatic and with great speed, but not actually dodging anything.
I'm curious because, just by virtue of Cap having his shield, he could well be less inclined to simply get out of the way, the way Spidey has to. Spider-Man doesn't just move his whole body in one direction; his individual body parts move so that he can dodge multiple incoming assaults.
The speed difference may not be big. But it is still there. Spidey's reflexes and agility on the other hand, are second to none. I gave Spidey 8/10 before. After looking through everything, I'll give Spidey a 5.5-6/10. Because Cap is still at a disadvantage without his shield, in-spite of knowing how Spidey fights. It still isn't enough to get the majority over Spidey while he's going all out. Cap's shield would have been the perfect weapon to block a lot of Spidey blows. Spidey knows that Cap is a much better fighter. And NYC is Spidey's playground. Cap can keep up with Spidey in close combat, but not if Spider-Man uses his advantages along with his environment.
Originally posted by h1a8
You have no proof that it is hyperbole. For Spidey has backed that statement up all his career.
Spiderman said
"The man know more about H2H combat then I could learn in 100 years"
"Its one fluid motion, FAST and powerful"
"He's studied my every move, my every power"
"He wants to keep it close"
If your going to base your entire debate off hyperbole, then you best start accepting everything else.
