Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ah see then we had some confusion because I thought you were one of the people acting like Cap couldn't even score a single win because Spidey was in a whole different league of speed. If you're acknowledging that Cap's speed is close enough to Spidey's to tag him as often as vice versa then we're cool.

I'm not cool. I think Spidey wins 10/10 easily.
For I am a scientist and mathematician first then a dreamer second (someone who desperately wants super powers). I argue first and foremost power set then I argue what happened in comics. This is because many things that happened in comics aren't the truth. For example, Spiderman getting hit by a cane in the back is not the truth. Spiderman getting hit by a straight punch by CA is not the truth.

I also firmly believe in F=MA making SM's acceleration at least 15 times greater than CA.

I also firmly believe that CA has only peak human speed (60mph max running and 30mph average) which is far under bullet speed. And since SM sees bullets in super slow motion he will see CA as a statue.

I also think that with the SS Spidey will not get hit (guaranteed fact).

I also feel that if SM hits to kill (and not to just to hurt or ko) then he can kill CA with one or two hits. This is because CA is not bullet proof.
Bullets can penetrate him almost as easy as a normal human. This is how he died remember.

Personally I think that this fight would last less than 5 seconds. This thread is and always been spite from the very beginning. I'm not only super duper shocked it lasted this long but I'm shocked that you, Soljer, and Slippy actually think that it's not. Trust me, I'm totally shocked and utterly confused every time I think about this thread.

Originally posted by h1a8
You grossly misinterpret the scan. The different images of CA shows the progression of his movement. The image where CA is turned sideways, seemingly avoiding the bullets by inches, is a totally different image than
than the one where you think he's in front of them. By that time the actual bullets are far ahead of him.

Originally posted by h1a8
If you actually think that CA is faster than a bullet then you lose much respect. Personally, I think you're lying. FWIW, one has to only be able to move less than 1/10 of a bullet's speed to avoid getting hit (assuming the bullet is shot at least 10 feet away).

Originally posted by h1a8
If CA is faster than bullets in combat then he is equivalent to classic Quicksilver. 😆

Originally posted by h1a8
Anyway, CA can't be faster than bullets if he ran a mile in little over a minute under duress. Also, if CA never had a shield then he would have gotten hit a long time ago. Do you know how many times CA had to block bullets when going through an area?

Originally posted by h1a8
And I'm willing to bet you anything that if we (or I) ask the CA's writers whether CA move faster than a bullet they would say no. This is if you truly believe that CA is faster than bullets of course.

Originally posted by h1a8
Lastly, you gave the wrong answer. And for that much respect is lost (unless you were lying of course).

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not cool. I think Spidey wins 10/10 easily.
For I am a scientist and mathematician first then a dreamer second (someone who desperately wants super powers). I argue first and foremost power set then I argue what happened in comics. This is because many things that happened in comics aren't the truth. For example, Spiderman getting hit by a cane in the back is not the truth. Spiderman getting hit by a straight punch by CA is not the truth.

I also firmly believe in F=MA making SM's acceleration at least 15 times greater than CA.

I also firmly believe that CA has only peak human speed (60mph max running and 30mph average) which is far under bullet speed. And since SM sees bullets in super slow motion he will see CA as a statue.

I also think that with the SS Spidey will not get hit (guaranteed fact).

I also feel that if SM hits to kill (and not to just to hurt or ko) then he can kill CA with one or two hits. This is because CA is not bullet proof.
Bullets can penetrate him almost as easy as a normal human. This is how he died remember.

Personally I think that this fight would last less than 5 seconds. This thread is and always been spite from the very beginning. I'm not only super duper shocked it lasted this long but I'm shocked that you, Soljer, and Slippy actually think that it's not. Trust me, I'm totally shocked and utterly confused every time I think about this thread.

ruh roa raggie!

Originally posted by Galan007
ruh roa raggie!

It took me a second to get that...

Originally posted by h1a8
You grossly misinterpret the scan. The different images of CA shows the progression of his movement. The image where CA is turned sideways, seemingly avoiding the bullets by inches, is a totally different image than
than the one where you think he's in front of them. By that time the actual bullets are far ahead of him.

If you actually think that CA is faster than a bullet then you lose much respect. Personally, I think you're lying. FWIW, one has to only be able to move less than 1/10 of a bullet's speed to avoid getting hit (assuming the bullet is shot at least 10 feet away).

If CA is faster than bullets in combat then he is equivalent to classic Quicksilver. 😆

Anyway, CA can't be faster than bullets if he ran a mile in little over a minute under duress. Also, if CA never had a shield then he would have gotten hit a long time ago. Do you know how many times CA had to block bullets when going through an area?

And I'm willing to bet you anything that if we (or I) ask the CA's writers whether CA move faster than a bullet they would say no. This is if you truly believe that CA is faster than bullets of course.

Lastly, you gave the wrong answer. And for that much respect is lost (unless you were lying of course).

Not to many people are faster then a bullet. 🙁

Originally posted by darthgoober
Where is the statement or artistic depiction referencing the bullets being far ahead of Cap? Or are you just pulling that out of your ass?

God forbid I assume Cap is capable of what I've actually SEEN him do...

You know it's funny you should mention that...
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2493/avengers03720jz9.jpg

As we've already talked about, in comics leaping/acrobatics increase speed significantly. That's why Hulk can jump at super sonic speeds...

Not only speculation but also highly unlikely since the writers have consistently written him at those levels. Hell isn't the backbone of your "Every Cap feat is PIS" theory that he's written poorly?

He's written poorly because writers either don't know what they're doing or are too lazy to find out whether CA should be doing certain things. But in no way has CA portrayed that he was faster than bullets Thus any statement saying that he can move faster than bullets is total hogwash (something the writers would agree to).

Originally posted by darthgoober
So do you accept my Battlezone challenge?

I'd probably lose if the judges are those who don't know PIS when they see it.

So we all agree with spidey taking the majority, sweet k close thread now.

Originally posted by h1a8
Where is your sense in thinking that CA moved ahead of those bullets (which are from another time)?

Originally posted by h1a8
Then Spidey is capable of beating Firelord, Onslaught is capable of pulling a non existent gem out of Juggs chest,
Slow pokes are capable of hitting Silver Surfer, Superman, WW, etc. in battle before they can respond, and Superman is capable of being almost koed by a gas station. There are infinitely many more.

Originally posted by h1a8
But we all know that CA is nowhere near Quicksilver in speed. So that comment is actually invalid. I've seen that scan before. That is why I mentioned Quicksilver in the first place.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk can run pretty fast too. Running speed is directly proportional to leaping speeds but running speed is less than leaping speed. So by your logic since CA can't leap half as far as Spidey then both his running speed and leaping speed should be less than half of Spidey's.

Originally posted by h1a8
He's written poorly because writers either don't know what they're doing or are too lazy to find out whether CA should be doing certain things. But in no way has CA portrayed that he was faster than bullets Thus any statement saying that he can move faster than bullets is total hogwash (something the writers would agree to).

Originally posted by h1a8
I'd probably lose if the judges are those who don't know PIS when they see it.

I'd go with Spider-Man.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So we all agree with spidey taking the majority, sweet k close thread now.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I believe what's actually depicted, I don't need to add my own theories because I don't agree with the characters established capabilities.

Consistence is what counts, and Cap's speed is JUST as consistent AND impressive as Spidey's.

What makes you think that comment is invalid? The fact that a villain who's fought them both finds them comparable? The fact that Cap has dodged and tagged Quicksilver(and other speedsters of a similar vein)? The fact that Cap has on panel depictions of feats that you say require THAT level of speed?

Proof that Spidey can jump twice as far as Cap?

If he's written as being that fast, I fail to see why the writers would disagree(since they're the ones doing it). And again, you're speculating.

Originally posted by darthgoober
On the contrary, I believe the general consensus is that there's NO evidence that places Spidey as being out of Cap's league and that the winner of any h2h fight between the two is a toss up.

Here's the evidence:

1. CA is peak human and SM is super human. Super is out of Peak's league. CA has no super powers remember. None!

2. Spidey's feats are far more impressive than CA's best. CA best feat, IMO, is when he barely leaned out of the way of a bullet (barely). Spidey moves nonchalantly out of the way when bullets are super close to him. CA struggles just to lean out of the way.

3. Spidey's abilities can shoot up several more levels when he's under duress. Many here are using CA's under duress feats (or CIS feats) and Spidey's CIS ones (him getting hit by straight punches and canes in the back). Spidey's strength alone has been known to go into the class 100 range when he's in duress. But you don't see me arguing that. I've always assume Spidey is fighting at his average (even though the rules say he must fight at his best) just to prove a point.

4. Spidey has SS that guarantees he won't get hit by CA.

5. Spidey will see CA as a statue.

6. Spidey will easily bounce around CA before he can turn around and nail him with a killing combo. SM doesn't need to bounce in multiples though as SM will definitely get the first hit in if he decides to just stay in front (since CA can't hit SM ever). And once SM hits him then the combo starts. Can you say "Maximum Spider!"

7. F=MA proves spidey has at least 15times greater acceleration than CA.

8. Maximum Spider! I love that move.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's not depicted in any way. It's just your misinterpretation of it.

Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't say consistence. Your statement implied any and all SEEN things. But CA been faster than a bullet has never been shown so how is it consistent if the first one doesn't exist.

Originally posted by h1a8
Again evasive movement is not dodging. Also tagging someone who is faster has nothing to do with one's speed. Slow pokes tagged fast guys many times in comics.
That doesn't make their speeds comparable now do it? CA has never been shown to be faster than a bullet. 30-60mph is more like his speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
Spidey has jump several stories high. You of all people should know that.
Show me CA jumping even two stories high.

Originally posted by h1a8
He's not written to be fast as spiderman (except in their battles). Not only CA feats show that he is still much slower than Spidey but CA is supposed to be much slower than Spidey because of his peak human status. A guy with no super powers remember.

Originally posted by h1a8
Here's the evidence:

1. CA is peak human and SM is super human. Super is out of Peak's league. CA has no super powers remember. None!

2. Spidey's feats are far more impressive than CA's best. CA best feat, IMO, is when he barely leaned out of the way of a bullet (barely). Spidey moves nonchalantly out of the way when bullets are super close to him. CA struggles just to lean out of the way.

3. Spidey's abilities can shoot up several more levels when he's under duress. Many here are using CA's under duress feats (or CIS feats) and Spidey's CIS ones (him getting hit by straight punches and canes in the back). Spidey's strength alone has been known to go into the class 100 range when he's in duress. But you don't see me arguing that. I've always assume Spidey is fighting at his average (even though the rules say he must fight at his best) just to prove a point.

4. Spidey has SS that guarantees he won't get hit by CA.

5. Spidey will see CA as a statue.

6. Spidey will easily bounce around CA before he can turn around and nail him with a killing combo. SM doesn't need to bounce in multiples though as SM will definitely get the first hit in if he decides to just stay in front (since CA can't hit SM ever). And once SM hits him then the combo starts. Can you say [B]"Maximum Spider!"

7. F=MA proves spidey has at least 15times greater acceleration than CA.

8. Maximum Spider! I love that move. [/B]

Originally posted by h1a8
Here's the evidence:

1. CA is peak human and SM is super human. Super is out of Peak's league. CA has no super powers remember. None!

2. Spidey's feats are far more impressive than CA's best. CA best feat, IMO, is when he barely leaned out of the way of a bullet (barely). Spidey moves nonchalantly out of the way when bullets are super close to him. CA struggles just to lean out of the way.

3. Spidey's abilities can shoot up several more levels when he's under duress. Many here are using CA's under duress feats (or CIS feats) and Spidey's CIS ones (him getting hit by straight punches and canes in the back). Spidey's strength alone has been known to go into the class 100 range when he's in duress. But you don't see me arguing that. I've always assume Spidey is fighting at his average (even though the rules say he must fight at his best) just to prove a point.

4. Spidey has SS that guarantees he won't get hit by CA.

5. Spidey will see CA as a statue.

6. Spidey will easily bounce around CA before he can turn around and nail him with a killing combo. SM doesn't need to bounce in multiples though as SM will definitely get the first hit in if he decides to just stay in front (since CA can't hit SM ever). And once SM hits him then the combo starts. Can you say [B]"Maximum Spider!"

7. F=MA proves spidey has at least 15times greater acceleration than CA.

8. Maximum Spider! I love that move. [/B]

h1a8 is the worst debator that I have seen on the face of this planet. The guy is terrible but he does make debating interesting because he never gives up, even when he's on the losing end.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So are you accepting the challenge or not? If the evidence is as clear and abundant as you say, you should have no problem convincing the judges that Spidey blows Cap out of the water.