Gouki vs. Cloud

Started by Sado2221 pages

Dress it up how you like. The bullets were slow enough to be seen in flight in terms of "real life" time. So if it's a "bullet" does that mean it automatically travels at a constant speed, has a constant range? No, it doesn't. You are in no position to lecture someone else on logic, based on this reasoning of yours.

no they weren't. they were bullets charged with materia which makes them even stronger and faster. as far as my reasoning is concerned, you're still denying the fact that Cloud was fast enough to parry bullets. furthermore, the one dressing things up is you by calling it 'swatting' and actually pretending that it nulls my point while clearly ignoring what i'm trying to say. what i'm saying is that he's very, very fast in his swordweilding and can definitely parry off fireballs from akuma...considering especially that the fireballs are weak and have no speed feat.

Misogi (completely instantaneous).

tatsumaki-senpuukyaku=tornado whirldwind kick
so now from your reasoning ryu or ken become tornados.

Null point. Gouki is more durable than steel.

you have no proof of that. and cloud cuts right through steel or anything. in fact, the buster sword's description it is said to be able to cut through "anything" (source, wiki)

Because Gouhadouken and Bahamut flame are two different things?

cop out.

Gouki sinks an island with one punch and splits a mountain in half.

try to understand the context of what the other person is saying, DarkC.

If you don't have similar like/hate for contending characters then you're biased, no argument. Me, I am not biased; Gouki is my favourite SF character lore wise, Cloud is my second favourite in the FF series (Sephiroth, predictably, is first), I have the FFAC final fight favourited on YouTube, etc, etc.

well that's good to hear. i hate cloud and i hate akuma. the only reason i watched final fantasy AD and played the game was because of Tifa. i also said several times that cloud is horribly overrated (even more than akuma) and its a shame that he hogs away attention from characters with as much depth as Solid Snake.

That doesn't make you unbiased at all. It has to do with personal preferences, Sado. And as you admitted above and below, you hate Gouki.

you are supporting the character that you like more than the one that comes much lower on your fav list or about the same, as far as i can tell. as opposed to me who is supporting the character he considers even more overrated than gouki. does that imply that you're biased. no it doesn't. it just means that you're entitled to an opinion.

so please, don't use the "biased" card on me again.

~Sado
P.S. here's something for you to consider (source wiki):
Gunblades have a gun-like handle which contains a firing mechanism but are not considered projectile as the firing mechanism only makes the blade vibrate causing extra damage, and does not fire any actual shells, with the exception of Yazoo's gunblades from Final Fantasy VII Advent Children, and Weiss's twin Gunblades, shown in Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus

Originally posted by Sado22
first, he has six swords. and when he was parrying he was using two of them and the most impressive bit where they were shooting at him up close, he was using only one sword. and nice of you to point out the fact that he can spin GIANT SWORDS so fast that he can parry bullets with them. which is what we're saying all along.
Like dude, I don't understand, how is that above gonna help him beat Akuma?

Originally posted by Sado22
body vaporizing? when did akuma vaporize somebody? when did capcom even state that he CAN vaporize someone?
Have you seen the Alpha movie and how Ryu vaporized his foes wit...Gou Hadoukens, weaker than those of Akuma, have you ever seen Akuma even throw a Gou Hadouken wit the intent to kill before?

Originally posted by Sado22
again...who did he rip apart with one punch?
Oh wait, my fault, Akuma SUNK AN ISLAND and SPLIT AYERS ROCK wit a punch, not a person, my bad. Cuz Cloud has clearly shown the feats necessary to make the assumption that he's more durable than a friggin mountain.

I'll try to forget that Cloud has been penetrated with bullets and swords through out the FF7 series, unlike mountains.

LOL

Originally posted by Sado22
you're entitled to an opinion. i say, that long before akuma even thinks about it his arms go flying off, then his legs and then his neck.
akuma=overrated no more
What ever you say buddy, unless Cloud has the power necessary to cut Akuma he wont be hackin anything. And last time I played the game Cloud's sword can't replicate the pressure of 3000 leagues in the sea, which still wouldn't cut it cuz...akuma survived it.

But what ever, you stick wit Cloud cuz you hate Akuma, I'll stick wit Akuma cuz it's correct logic.

Originally posted by Sado22
you see, whats wrong with your argument is this:
-akuma hasn't killed ANYBODY with his gou-hadoukens. not even chumps.
-has his gou-hadouken been shown to vaporize somebody. even something. no.

hence your reasoning is flawed. saying the bahamut's fireball is weak based on the fact that he just killed chumps with it is something i can counter by saying that akuma has never even be shown to kill a chump with his gou-hadoukens. or even messatsu-hadoukens.

lol, but Ryu is shown that he is capable, wit WEAKER versions of AKUMA's moves. So that pretty much closes the above argument.

Originally posted by Sado22
that has nothing to do with being hacked off. he can resist excess pressure? good for him. what we're talking about is being cut off.
Are you sure that you know what the hell you talkin 'bout?

If bodies are crushed at 2000 leagues and Akuma is kickin battle ships to the surface at 3000, do you know how hard and fast Cloud would have to swing to hack off one of his limbs...it have to be a whole lot better than what he has shown so far. Hell he would have to move so fast that we couldn't even see him for 90% of the battle.

Originally posted by Sado22
now unless you have proof that gouki is Kenshiro or goku, we all know that he isn't immune to swords and being cut.
nuff said.
What? Akuma aint no Goku but I don't think I ever seen dude even get his skin pierced, I take that back, he bled from his mouth after gettin his ass kicked by Gouken in the UDON comic when he was younger...if that counts for anything.

Originally posted by Sado22
he knows because the gou-hadouken's speed is never stated
So that automatically means it's slow as hell? Pleez.

Originally posted by Sado22
heck, its power is actually considered weaker to ryu's for pete's sake.
And that doesn't sound like an official source to me cuz SFEC(an official source) says Akuma's moves can kill instantaneously so once again, do you know what your talkin 'bout or are you just against Akuma cuz your biased as hell and you want deeply in your heart for him to lose, so much so that him losing makes no sense?

Originally posted by Sado22
and ryu's hadouken is as strong as a well landed kick....no one's incinerating anybody, so let go of the dream.
Cuz he doesn't intend to kill people wit it.

Dee Dee Deeee.

Originally posted by Sado22
~Sado
P.S. according to Saiki and Tiamat, the beam hadoukens are just for the MvC games. they aren't canon.
Saiki and Tiamat must be your only sources and what do you know, none of them work for Capcom!

Originally posted by DarkC
Dress it up how you like. The bullets were slow enough to be seen in flight in terms of "real life" time.

So if it's a "bullet" does that mean it automatically travels at a constant speed, has a constant range? No, it doesn't. You are in no position to lecture someone else on logic, based on this reasoning of yours.

It so helps to know a bit about real life elements in debates, like the fact that bullets don't go the same speed forever. But that would just be simple logic.

Originally posted by DarkC
Null point. Gouki is more durable than steel.
When you say that guys are gonna start callin'im Goku for some reason, but if the shoe was on the other foot, guys would have no problem then, it only shows biased.

Originally posted by DarkC
Because Gouhadouken and Bahamut flame are two different things?
Like does anyone know what Bahamuts blast is?

Originally posted by DarkC
Gouki sinks an island with one punch and splits a mountain in half.
Which is why I don't understand why they keep makin points of Cloud's strength, cuz Akuma clearly dwarfs'im in that category.

Originally posted by Sado22
so now because the bullets were seen, they are no longer applicable? what kind of logic is this anyway. the bullets used were regular were charged with materia too (the silverhairedfags shooting at cloud were shown with the materia in their arms). they were swatted? call it what you want, i call it being parried. either way, you're missing the point. if a man can swing a 6foot sword and "swat" bullets with it, then he's pretty damn fast. fast enough to dodge giant fireballs no less.

and what's the greatest speed feat of gouki do you have in mind, DarkC?

i said he'd hack off Gouki, not his gou-hadoukens. besides, if he can go right through a hugeass ball of flames that the dragon shot at him, what makes you say he can't do the same to a gou-hadouken. on top of that, he's powerful enough to smack the dragon that was 50 times his size and he sent it crashing to earth.

like i said above.

so now i'm biased because i don't agree with you? yes i don't like gouki. that's been established before you even showed up here. but that never stopped me from admitting that gouki one tough SOB and i've voted for gouki winning in a number of threads.
i hate gouki as much as ClassicNES hates Ryo. and that's saying a lot. and i think he's overrated as well. but in a fight between him and terry bogard, i was routing for gouki. in fact, i had him beat terry [b]on my own site.

biased? i don't think so. stop throwing that word around needlessly.

*takes materia and hacks off DS into tiny little peices and mails them to other SFfanboys*

~Sado [/B]

1. Bullets don't travel at the same speed forever, and some don't even top soundspeed. And the fact that Cloud's swords are giant makes it easier to block them since he has the strength to wield it.

2. Misogi is instant and will one shot Cloud, it is the mountain cracking move to a more focused extent.

3. Gou Hadoukens incinerated people apparently when used by Ryu, they can with Gouki as well. Bahamut Sin would be kicked in half by Gouki.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Bullets don't travel at the same speed forever, and some don't even top soundspeed. And the fact that Cloud's swords are giant makes it easier to block them since he has the strength to wield it.

2. Misogi is instant and will one shot Cloud, it is the mountain cracking move to a more focused extent.

3. Gou Hadoukens incinerated people apparently when used by Ryu, they can with Gouki as well. Bahamut Sin would be kicked in half by Gouki.

I'll answer this one by one.

1. cloud blocks those bullets with his 6 combined sword. swinging that sword with one hand is awesome. so what if that's a giant sword? it's a shame if he can't parry those bullets with his sword. maybe bullets doesn't have a sound speed. but it is very fast. can you even see the bullet if someone shot you with a handgun?

2. please note that gouki split ayers rock in half with kongou kokuretsuzan.

3. we're not talking about ryu. we're talking about gouki. and since when ryu has gou hadouken? even ryu's hadouken is just a well landed kick. don't tell me cloud would be killed with a "well landed kick"

Like dude, I don't understand, how is that above gonna help him beat Akuma?

okay, the fact that he can parry bullets means that he can dodge about anything that akuma will throw at him. the fact that he can smack bahamut down with a single swing shows that he's capable enough to do the same with Gouki, considering that gouk isn't several stories tall nor is he several hundred kilos in weight...if not tons. the fact that he can swing his sword fast enough to parry supercharged bullets means that he can hack off at akuma with relative ease.

Have you seen the Alpha movie and how Ryu vaporized his foes wit...Gou Hadoukens, weaker than those of Akuma, have you ever seen Akuma even throw a Gou Hadouken wit the intent to kill before?

for one, capcom said that SFA movie shows how the characters would "fight" outside of the realm of the games. basically referring to them flying around and defying gravity for the bulk of the movie. the fact that they were disintegrating people with hadouken DIRECTLY contradicts their initial remark about hadouken feeling like being hit with a well-landed kick.

Oh wait, my fault, Akuma SUNK AN ISLAND and SPLIT AYERS ROCK wit a punch, not a person, my bad. Cuz Cloud has clearly shown the feats necessary to make the assumption that he's more durable than a friggin mountain. I'll try to forget that Cloud has been penetrated with bullets and swords through out the FF7 series, unlike mountains. LOL

very funny.
fact of the matter is, he did that with his self-proclaimed, self-confessed "ultimate technique". it wasn't a "single punch" as much as it was a ki based move that literally was his strongest move to date. you are making it sound like its his regular punch. which it isn't. clearly. besides, the chances of him landing THAT punch on cloud is one in a million considering cloud's speed and the time it takes gouki to actually pull it off.
and lastly, he never actually has been said to sink an island. the island just "disappeared". so stop right there because what capcom meant by the island "disappearing" is vague.

what ever you say buddy, unless Cloud has the power necessary to cut Akuma he wont be hackin anything. And last time I played the game Cloud's sword can't replicate the pressure of 3000 leagues in the sea, which still wouldn't cut it cuz...akuma survived it

once again, withstanding pressure is miles away from being cut. you're not making any sense .

But what ever, you stick wit Cloud cuz you hate Akuma, I'll stick wit Akuma cuz it's correct logic.

no its not.

lol, but Ryu is shown that he is capable, wit WEAKER versions of AKUMA's moves. So that pretty much closes the above argument.

ryu's hadouken is stronger than akuma's. that's the only move of ryu which is actually stronger than akuma's. on top of that, you don't disintegrate people with well landed kicks....which happens to be the description of hadouken FROM CAPCOM in an interview with its officials.

interview with official>>licensed anime.

Are you sure that you know what the hell you talkin 'bout? If bodies are crushed at 2000 leagues and Akuma is kickin battle ships to the surface at 3000, do you know how hard and fast Cloud would have to swing to hack off one of his limbs...it have to be a whole lot better than what he has shown so far. Hell he would have to move so fast that we couldn't even see him for 90% of the battle.

localized pressure is a different ball park. the edge of a blade pressed against your skin is a different ball park then being pushed against a metal wall.
and don't start assuming how fast he needs to move either.

the best example i can come up with is the fact that wonderwoman can take blows from berserk superman but still can get peirced by ordinary bullets.

What? Akuma aint no Goku but I don't think I ever seen dude even get his skin pierced, I take that back, he bled from his mouth after gettin his ass kicked by Gouken in the UDON comic when he was younger...if that counts for anything.

he lost to Gen aswell. but that's another story.
you dont' see his skin peirced cuz for the most part of it he's never directly involved in any story.

So that automatically means it's slow as hell? Pleez.

slow as hell compared to a bullet. yes. even in your beloved SFA the hadouken never travelled that fast..........in fact, that was one thing that surprised me considering the load of bull that movie was actually showing.

And that doesn't sound like an official source to me cuz SFEC(an official source) says Akuma's moves can kill instantaneously so once again, do you know what your talkin 'bout or are you just against Akuma cuz your biased as hell and you want deeply in your heart for him to lose, so much so that him losing makes no sense?

no need to start flaming. calm down, its just a videogame.
akuma's moves can kill instantaneously, i know. that however doesn't mean that he can disintegrate people as you've been saying all this time nor is it saying anything about it being stronger than ryu's or weaker for that matter. all its saying is that he can kill. and we all know he can. yet, he never managed to kill anyone worth speaking (not talking about SGS on Bison). ryu and ken's moves are also "lethal" moves but neither of those two have killed anyone either. ryu couldn't even kill Hugo who is midtier character with his ULTIMATE move.
and that's where you'll understand something:
just cuz a move is called lethal or whatever doesn't mean it can actually kill a real fighter. those moves can kill ordinary people. if it could, ryu wouldn't have survived his fight with gouki, adon would've died when ryu smacked him with the shoryuken in SF1, ken would have died three times over by now considering the amount of fighting he's done with ryu. heck, sakura and karin kanzuki also fought ken and didn't die.

to go back to the question: who has akuma killed "instantaneously" anyway?
no one.

Cuz he doesn't intend to kill people with it.

evil ryu says otherwise. even evilryu with all his satsui no hadou, wasn't able to kill sagat. that's your hint to stop taking everything for granted.
think about it, Art of fighting and KoF moves are called lethal moves, super deadly and murderous as well. no one dies there either.

Dee Dee Deeee.

grow up

Saiki and Tiamat must be your only sources and what do you know, none of them work for Capcom!

and the SFA anime was only licensed. besides Saiki has interviewd the officials there.

1. Bullets don't travel at the same speed forever, and some don't even top soundspeed. And the fact that Cloud's swords are giant makes it easier to block them since he has the strength to wield it.

you're missing the point. the bullets were shot from point blank range or very close by. i know bullets don't top sound speed. cloud was parrying the bullets upclose and from far away. in fact, when he was close by he was swatting them away...if cloud was standing behind his sword, i'd say so. but he wasn't. he was smacking them away or parrying them.

2. Misogi is instant and will one shot Cloud, it is the mountain cracking move to a more focused extent.

wasn't that move only done by "orochi akuma" in CvsSNK2 only? my memory's vague at the moment.

3. Gou Hadoukens incinerated people apparently when used by Ryu, they can with Gouki as well. Bahamut Sin would be kicked in half by Gouki

probably. gouhadouken or hadoukens don't incinerate. never did. SFA movie was noncanon and directly contradicts interviews with capcom officials which stated that hadouken feels like being hit by a well landed kick.

case in point: ryu can incinerate people with punches and kicks...but couldnt KO midtier Hugo. he didn't even scar him. also, why didn't sagat just disintegrate when evil ryu did the MESTU-shoryuken on him?

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
no they weren't. they were bullets charged with materia which makes them even stronger and faster.

Evidently not. Can you find a source stating this?
Originally posted by Sado22
as far as my reasoning is concerned, you're still denying the fact that Cloud was fast enough to parry bullets.

What the hell? I never denied this at all, I said that you were overstating the actual implication of this. Keep up.
Originally posted by Sado22
furthermore, the one dressing things up is you by calling it 'swatting'

Oh my GOD, please go and YouTube that fight right now. Go watch it right now and tell me that ISN'T swatting bullets aside. Seriously.

And furthermore how's using the word "swatting" classified as dressing things up? What is this logic?

Originally posted by Sado22
and actually pretending that it nulls my point while clearly ignoring what i'm trying to say.

No, once again keep up. If you read my reply above I was stating that the durability of steel (his sword) < durability of Gouki, that nulls your opint.
Originally posted by Sado22
what i'm saying is that he's very, very fast in his swordweilding

He's much faster than the actual human at swordplay, but watch the final battle from FFAC. He's very, very fast, just not beyond-the-eye superhuman-fast. In fact, he's not much speedier than martial artists; he simply is a lot stronger and can weird a gigantic broadsword the same way normal humans weild rapiers and sabers.
Originally posted by Sado22
and can definitely parry off fireballs from akuma...

Considering that Sephiroth wasn't even able to parry more than two or three fireballs from Genesis? Also, watch the part in the Malheim fight where Sephiroth pretty much breaks off the upper part of an entire building and Cloud separates his sword into two to parry all the falling debris. Cloud's projectile parry speed is fast, but not significantly fast.

If Gouki pulled off the Level 2 super (the one with like 20 spammed air-Zankuhadokens) then he wouldn't be able to parry them all.

Originally posted by Sado22
considering especially that the fireballs are weak and have no speed feat.

It's been stated with Ryu's fire-hadouken that anyone who comes into contact with it is singed badly, while on the other hand whoever comes into contact with Akuma's version "risks instant immolation".

Originally posted by Sado22
tatsumaki-senpuukyaku=tornado whirldwind kick
so now from your reasoning ryu or ken become tornados.

What reasoning? Move translations? I don't even know where that came from.
Originally posted by Sado22
you have no proof of that. and cloud cuts right through steel or anything.

I believe JustFrame (I think it was) provided proof of that earlier in this thread.
Originally posted by Sado22
in fact, the buster sword's description it is said to be able to cut through "anything" (source, wiki)

Didn't cut through Kadaj's double katana, or Sephiroth's Masamune (which is a given anyway). And Wiki's are not an official source of information as it is, sorry to say.
Originally posted by Sado22
cop out.

Deny it how you will, but they are two different things completely.

You're talking about them like they are and when I point this out, you instantly say, "cop out". That's like your number one weapon, you've used it numerous times in debates with me in the past and you've used it more than once in this thread as well.

Excuses, that's all it is.

Originally posted by Sado22
try to understand the context of what the other person is saying, DarkC.

Read above; you're in no position to lecture anyone on misunderstanding concept.
Originally posted by Sado22
well that's good to hear. i hate cloud and i hate akuma. the only reason i watched final fantasy AD and played the game was because of Tifa.

Yeah, I'm sure...

Originally posted by Sado22
you are supporting the character that you like more than the one that comes much lower on your fav list or about the same, as far as i can tell.

No, they're about equal.

I don't know which move I like more, Misogi or AC Omnislash.

Originally posted by Sado22
as opposed to me who is supporting the character he considers even more overrated than gouki.

Quote me where you considered Cloud more overrated than Gouki before it all started then.
Originally posted by Sado22
does that imply that you're biased. no it doesn't. it just means that you're entitled to an opinion.

Yes, and opinions can be biased. You're still not getting it.
Originally posted by Sado22
so please, don't use the "biased" card on me again.

I'm not going to dress it up that you're biased. Deal with it.

Originally posted by Sado22
P.S. here's something for you to consider (source wiki):
Gunblades have a gun-like handle which contains a firing mechanism but are not considered projectile as the firing mechanism only makes the blade vibrate causing extra damage, and does not fire any actual shells, with the exception of Yazoo's gunblades from Final Fantasy VII Advent Children, and Weiss's twin Gunblades, shown in Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus

Sorry, but Wikis are not an "official" source of information.

Originally posted by Sado22
ryu's hadouken is stronger than akuma's. that's the only move of ryu which is actually stronger than akuma's.

Not the fireball version; Ryu's only singes (because he doesn't want to hurt), while Akuma's immolates instantly.
Originally posted by Sado22
localized pressure is a different ball park. the edge of a blade pressed against your skin is a different ball park then being pushed against a metal wall.

Being crushed to paste by water pressure > sword wound
Originally posted by Sado22
wasn't that move only done by "orochi akuma" in CvsSNK2 only?

No, "orochi" Akuma is simply enhanced Akuma with much more power. Absorbing Orochi from Rugal Bernstein didn't instantly give him the knowledge of new moves that he's never before pulled off.

U. Rugal on the other hand is different, he learned the Ashura warp and Shungokusatsu by absorbing Akuma. Which technically isn't even canon, according to the layout of CvS2 Akuma won anyway.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
I'll answer this one by one.

1. cloud blocks those bullets with his 6 combined sword. swinging that sword with one hand is awesome. so what if that's a giant sword? it's a shame if he can't parry those bullets with his sword. maybe bullets doesn't have a sound speed. but it is very fast. can you even see the bullet if someone shot you with a handgun?

2. please note that gouki split ayers rock in half with kongou kokuretsuzan.

3. we're not talking about ryu. we're talking about gouki. and since when ryu has gou hadouken? even ryu's hadouken is just a well landed kick. don't tell me cloud would be killed with a "well landed kick"

1. And the sword is like 2-3 feet wide. Which makes blocking the bullets easier.

2. And that is all Misogi is, a super focused Kongou Kokuretsuzan.

3. Well...Yeah actually. A well landed kick from Gouki will blow Cloud in half.

Originally posted by Sado22
you're missing the point. the bullets were shot from point blank range or very close by. i know bullets don't top sound speed. cloud was parrying the bullets upclose and from far away. in fact, when he was close by he was swatting them away...if cloud was standing behind his sword, i'd say so. but he wasn't. he was smacking them away or parrying them.

wasn't that move only done by "orochi akuma" in CvsSNK2 only? my memory's vague at the moment.

probably. gouhadouken or hadoukens don't incinerate. never did. SFA movie was noncanon and directly contradicts interviews with capcom officials which stated that hadouken feels like being hit by a well landed kick.

case in point: ryu can incinerate people with punches and kicks...but couldnt KO midtier Hugo. he didn't even scar him. also, why didn't sagat just disintegrate when evil ryu did the MESTU-shoryuken on him?

~Sado

1. All I am saying is the size of the sword does make it easier. And Cloud does not have Gouki's movement speed btw.

2. No. 😐

3. Hadouken from Ryu does, wanna know why? He weakened them so they would not kill. Gouki's moves are meant to kill in one blow.

Wtf does that have to do with what we were arguing? The Metsu Shoryuken did however cut the fvck out of Sagat with a graze. And Gouki with a kick can blow Cloud in half. And also, picture this, Gouki is faster on his feet than Cloud, he can bum rush him, and just grab him and hold his arms in place, he is much stronger, and can snap Cloud in half.

1. All I am saying is the size of the sword does make it easier. And Cloud does not have Gouki's movement speed btw.

i know what you're saying. i'm pointing out the fact that you're oversimplifying the whole thing by saying that cloud's doing it cuz his sword is big. that's not the reason. he had the skill to do it...AND he was parrying them with the blade at times.

2. No.

i don't seem to recall shin gouki doing it ever...except in CvsSNK2.

3. Hadouken from Ryu does, wanna know why? He weakened them so they would not kill. Gouki's moves are meant to kill in one blow.

i know they've been taught a toned down version of ansatsuken ryu. i know that. the point is that, the hadouken feels like a well-landed kick. capcom officials said so. end of story.
all it ever said about ryu "weakening" his moves was about the shakunetsu-hadouken. he can make the flames burn badly but resorts to the mild one.
now please don't tell me ryu is supersaiyan if he "goes into killing mode" because that's bull. case in point: evil ryu does an advanced shoryuken full of dark hadou to Sagat........and only scars him. sf3 ryu who is about as powerful as SF1 evil Ryu does a shinshoryuken.......and couldn't even kill Hugo. he does his ultimate move, which he tauts as the greatest force, and can't knock down hugo. if ryu actually was as powerful as that pile a' garbage anime was showing him to be, why didn't sagat incinerate on impact? why didn't hugo just freakin melt away? surely if he could melt away the guy who was pwning birdie, ken and chunli for free then he can do it to Sagat. and if not sagat, then at least midtier, generic thug Hugo.

that's where "ryu can kill with one move" argument loses me.

Wtf does that have to do with what we were arguing? The Metsu Shoryuken did however cut the fvck out of Sagat with a graze.

not a graze. definitely NOT a graze. full force impact that also caught the poor guy by surprise.

And Gouki with a kick can blow Cloud in half.

if you mean tenma kyuujin kyaku, then yeah. otherwise, no.

And also, picture this, Gouki is faster on his feet than Cloud

speculation.

he can bum rush him, and just grab him and hold his arms in place, he is much stronger, and can snap Cloud in half.

MORTAL KOMBAT!!
😆
picture this, cloud is too fast with the sword. unless you're telling me that gouki moves faster than bullets which you have no proof of. and has been shown to jump and dash at far greater speed. on top of that he can teleport six-ways with omnislash.

Gouki=dead
*solid snake then snipes cloud and we have no more overrated bastardsd to worry about*

~Sado
P.S. all i seem to be encountering are what i call "SF Myths" which fans tell eachother and seem to know but actually have no proof of.

Originally posted by Sado22

MORTAL KOMBAT!!
😆

And you're telling someone else to grow up...how rich.
Originally posted by Sado22
picture this, cloud is too fast with the sword. and has been shown to jump and dash at far greater speed.

Those aren't really "in-combat" factors. Agility on his feet would be more appropriate, and from what I've seen, he's not particularly quick on his feet.
Originally posted by Sado22
on top of that he can teleport six-ways with omnislash.

Can he spam that move? No. If he pulls that off, Gouki just teleports through it, and counters with a Misogi while Cloud is landing.

Once Gouki gets in real close the sword will be completely useless. A blade the size of a Buster Sword has a minimum "dead" range where you can't exactly swing it.

Originally posted by Sado22
P.S. all i seem to be encountering are what i call "SF Myths" which fans tell eachother and seem to know but actually have no proof of.

Explain.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. And the sword is like 2-3 feet wide. Which makes blocking the bullets easier.

2. And that is all Misogi is, a super focused Kongou Kokuretsuzan.

3. Well...Yeah actually. A well landed kick from Gouki will blow Cloud in half.

1. but it's harder to swing such a big sword like that.

2. is this gouki or shin gouki?

3. gouki has no kicking feat. every of his feats involved his fist. besides, no one had been killed by gou hadouken.

He kicked a Submarine from the bottom of the ocean out of the water. 😐

Do you know how much stenth would be required to do that? That is Dragon Ball Z level strength.

Actually...

The Misogi is a gigantic slashing chop from the sky, it incorporates instantaneous movement with the ability to slice through objects, including opponents.

The Kongou Kokuretsu Zan however, is an extremely enhanced punch into the ground, designed to destroy (Or in the case of ayers rock, slice in 2) anything beneath him.

The two attacks are very different from each other... both in effect, and in motion.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
1. but it's harder to swing such a big sword like that.

2. is this gouki or shin gouki?

3. gouki has no kicking feat. every of his feats involved his fist. besides, no one had been killed by gou hadouken.

1. I know. I am saying since he has the strength to do it, using a large sword is easier.

2. Does it matter? Shin Gouki is just Gouki going all out, which according to the rules of vs. threads, he is.

3. YouTube video

What's that failing sound? It's you.

he's nowhere near DBZ level.

if he has DBZ level strength, he would blow the planet with some of his power. cloud also can smack a giant dragon down, cut the giant steel effortlessly. besides, no proof gouki was immune against blades.

@dark-jaxx : give me the links

do you mean tenshou kairiki jin? you call that a kick?

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
he's nowhere near DBZ level.

if he has DBZ level strength, he would blow the planet with some of his power. cloud also can smack a giant dragon down, cut the giant steel effortlessly. besides, no proof gouki was immune against blades.

Physically, his feats dwarf the DBZers.

That giant dragon feat is nothing on hacky sacky a submarine from 3,000 leagues under the sea to above the surface.

Gouki kicks through steel. Woopty doo.

Fixed the vid.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Physically, his feats dwarf the DBZers.

Just off the top of my head, Vegetto has soccer kicked away a power blast from Buu that could've easily destroyed the planet, DBZ fighters basically crack mountains just by tossing eachother into them.

Goku transforming into SSJ3 quaked the entire planet.

Come on now, Gouki physically superior to DBZ fighters? I mean I heard Gouki was overrated on this board but wow, I guess it really is true.