Originally posted by Sado22
you didn't ask for proof, official or otherwise. i was supporting my point with a source. something you haven't done.
Yes I have, numerous times actually.
I’ve already told you one of my major sources. Tiamat’s Street Fighter Plot Guide, which was originally referred to me by you. You didn’t even seem to get quite a few facts from there correct either.(Ken being rivals with what’s-her-face, Sakura’s counter opponent) Talk about irony.
Originally posted by Sado22
and instead you resorted to claiming my source wasn't reliable. what we have here is you not asking for something, me saying something with a source, and then you claiming that the source isn't reliable. and then i stated that i'm going to take wiki's word over your's.
Originally posted by Sado22
infact, later on in your reply you actually agree that they are bullets. so i don't really need a source now do i?
Originally posted by Sado22
stop what? proving that you have memory problems?
what needs to stop is you throwing words at people....
Originally posted by Sado22
i'm telling you a general rule of online talking.
Originally posted by Sado22
capslock are considered rude and are actually band on some sites and blogs because of what they connotate. why? because the suggest aggression, anger, frustration and are just plain annoying. you don't want to be misunderstood, well, then stop posting in capslock. simple as that.
Originally posted by Sado22
nope. just some guy whose taking it all way more seriously than he should. 'twas all.
The very fact that you are considering the very usage of capital letters as automatically “rude” just pretty much proves what I mentioned earlier, you’re taking this a little to heart yourself.
Originally posted by Sado22
case closed.
and what exactly do you call, calling me "biased", "narrow-minded" and "sad"? expression of joy and mutual respect?
Originally posted by Sado22
i'm pretty sure somehwere in this thread you claimed that they weren't bullets. but i could be wrong. if you weren't saying that, my bad.
Originally posted by Sado22
interestingly though, this does put an interesting spin to "ryu being able to dodge bullets" (and by extension akuma). what's your stand on that? can akuma dodge .45 rounds, sniper rounds or good old revolver rounds?
Originally posted by Sado22
and what rounds were being parried by cloud. since they were revolvers they could be any of several.
Originally posted by Sado22
how about you go a wiki source and point out the firing speed of all these bulletheads?
Originally posted by Sado22
otherwise, we'll just assume that they all travel way too damn fast for the human reflexes...whcih is why cloud swatting them is so impressive.
Originally posted by Sado22
and which is why he'd dodge any projectile from gouki, cuz gouki don't shoot them that fast. not by a long shot.
Originally posted by Sado22
😆
how about:
"i hate cloud more than gouki but i think cloud wins"
"MY GOD YOURE SO BIASED!"
"chill dude"
"YOURE SO NARROW MINDED!"
"relax. i just think that since he can dodge bullets then he can dodge stuff from gouki"
"BUT GOUKI IS TOUGHER THAN STEEL"
"where does it say that?"
"I DONT KNOW. HE JUST IS CUZ SOMEGUY SAID IT"
"thats not proof"
"YOUR SO SAD"
"chill man."
"YOUR NARROWMINDED, SAD and BIASED"
"well, in communications skills they teach you that capslock signify anger, aggression and frustration in online conversation. that's why i thought you were mad?"
"IM NOT ANGRY OR FRUSTRATED. I'M JUST EXASPERATED!"
"err...like that."
"I AM NOT MAD!" *turns big and green and starts smashing stuff*
Originally posted by Sado22
-it takes him a while to pull it off, which in an upfront fight with cloud would be pretty hard. if not impossible.
Originally posted by Sado22
true. but whether he can pull it off while having to dodge cloud's sword in an upclose fight is debatable.
Originally posted by Sado22
i was talking ashura wara in gouki's SFA2 ending.
Originally posted by Sado22
anyway, granted that ashura warp if used properly would work for gouki. however, for the 3rd time, the one time he actually did it on screen, it took him a few seconds to pull it off...which i don't see happening with cloud. i could be wrong though.
Originally posted by Sado22
hence, i concede your point. at the same time, the same can be argued for cloud who not only turns intangible, but also has fast start up time, is faster and goes six ways. he just has more advantages as opposed to gouki.
Originally posted by Sado22
so its canon? and is this there on tiamat?
Originally posted by Sado22
how would gouki know what is coming? if sephiroth was caught off-gaurd by it even though he's seen an earlier version and has fought both zack and cloud before, i doubt gouki who has never even heard of the thing would know what to expect. the way i see it is this:
cloud: *spins his sword around*
gouki: okay, so he' gonna dash towards me...okay, seriously wtf? what's with that sword. oh sh...!" *dead*
Originally posted by Sado22
i said Sephiroth was ready for a counter. you say he was "preparing" for one. in the end, its the same thing:
Originally posted by Sado22
seph was gonna do a counter hadn't it been for the omnislash, right? and he looked ready to me. having your sword across you with a smirk on your face while your opponent jumps at you means that you have a countermove to pull off...or you're thinking about something funny for absolutely no reason.
Originally posted by Sado22
i know that. and don't shift the question. i asked you if you are trying to insist that he can't dodge debri though he can dodge bullets...and i'm doing it a third time now.
Originally posted by Sado22
actually i meant to say the gouki seems to be capable of killing only normal people. my bad there. all his so called "instand killers" seem to fail miserably when it comes to someone who can actually fight.
Originally posted by Sado22
if he was there to kill gouken and gen, then i assume, yes he did. heck, he went so far as to do the SGS to gen didn't he?
Originally posted by Sado22
you're entitled to an opinion. but that's just what it is isn't it? and gameplay doesn't really offer too much about a character.
Originally posted by Sado22
and what if they're made from the same material and are about as sharp? then what happens?
Yes I have, numerous times actually. I’ve already told you one of my major sources. Tiamat’s Street Fighter Plot Guide, which was originally referred to me by you. You didn’t even seem to get quite a few facts from there correct either.(Ken being rivals with what’s-her-face, Sakura’s counter opponent) Talk about irony.
Sado, you are factually in no position to tell me that they’re having memory problems. You’ve already made several mistakes regarding facts and occurrences from both the Street Fighter and Final Fantasy VII plots. You even yourself admitted that it’s been quite a while since you’ve played a Street Fighter game or watched the FFAC movie, and then right after you start throwing facts and figures out there that more than once are incorrect. And now you’re telling me that I’M the one with memory problems?
No, it’s complete garbage. Stop making things up. If it was full capslock then that would be rude. I don’t know where you’re getting your “internet diction” rules, but you seem disappointingly misinformed.
I’ve never heard of, nor do I really care about, these forums of yours that allegedly ban the usage of capital lettering. They’re irrelevant; we’re on KMC, not these other message boards. Nor have I heard this nonsense about periodical usage of capital lettering instantly translating to anger/frustration/etc. If I had went on a “caps lock” rampage then I have no grounds here to form an argument in defense, but as you see I clearly didn’t. This is why you are so utterly wrong. On the contrary, my usage of “my GOD” earlier was neither anger, nor frustration; it was complete astonishment and exasperation at your naivete; that you are unable to realize (or you’re denying, which is even worse) a fact so obvious and right in front of your face; the fact that he was clearly “swatting” bullets aside. Seriously, how could anyone miss such an obvious fact?
I’ve already explained to you that I often use capitals over italic script nowadays in order to emphasize things I’m trying to say. As you can seem most of this usage isn’t even meant in a derogatory manner, which is why I’m going to continue using it regardless of whatever problems you have to see with it. The very fact that you are considering the very usage of capital letters as automatically “rude” just pretty much proves what I mentioned earlier, you’re taking this a little to heart yourself. It’s not even the usage of the capitals itself anyways, it’s the matter in which they are utilized, and capitalizing words such as “EXTREMELY” shouldn’t have a big impact on how you take things. I’ve already told you several times by now that I just use them in place of italics, and STILL you seem insistent on seeing them as offensive. Well, that’s your problem, it affects me in no way whatsoever. Deal with it, instead of pretending like it’s automatically offensive and a “general” rule of the internet (which is just ridiculous, considering I’ve seen more refined posters than you and I use them to emphasize a word or two)
I called you biased because you were being biased.
It’s not meant to be a derogatory term at all, and you’re acting like it is. So you’re a little distinct in your preferences by now, that doesn’t insult you. However, you’re clearly biased despite your claims that your hatred for Gouki is equal to that of Cloud.
In the VG Vs, I’ve seen you hate on Gouki and the SF universe in general when something like Tekken is brought up. And in this thread I’ve shown you where you were overhyping Cloud’s abilities just a little.
I called you narrow-minded because you, for some reason, refuse to think outside the box in one or two occurrences. For example, the whole deal with the bullet speed being variations, and the nonsense about this capital letter business.
I called you sad because even now I still have to refer to things I’ve said earlier because you didn’t seem to read my posts properly.
No, I never said that.
Who knows? I sure as hell don’t. What I DO know, however, is that the bullets were heavy and they travelled slow enough to leave tracers that could easily be tracked with the naked human eye and normal reflexes. This indicates that they travel about the same or slower speed than an M68 round.
Deflecting bullets using a sword would normally be considered an ENORMOUS speed feat. I had already acquiesced to that. However, Cloud has a very large advantage in terms of the sheer size of the First Tsurugi. It’s almost as big as he is. In more than one instance (opening motorcycle battle, and the battle with Kadaj and brothers over the forgotten city) he was simply able to hold it in front of him and let the bullets ricochet off. In other occurrences he was able to swat the bullets aside using the separated Tsurugi when each separate one was fired at him. In summary, he’s extremely fast but not as fast as you seem to be implying.
to be continued
Any single projectile could be easily parried by Cloud, but in that process he has to get ready for it; after Gouki fires off the initial projectile it gives him a slight opening as to decide what to do while Cloud deals with the gouhadouken.
As mentioned before, there’s no way that Cloud would parry/dodge every one of the zankuuhadoukens fired off from Gouki’s Lv. 2 midair super (which translates to “great sky filler/killer”. It’s basically just a full on spam of zankuus, he spews out even more than Genesis in the Crisis Core skirmish with Sephiroth. And as you can clearly see while watching that fight, Sephiroth was not able to parry more than two or three of Genesis’s fireballs before being enveloped by them.
and sephiroth's another story. i think cloud is faster than sephiroth. also, by FFAC if cloud has made that much progress that most of the guys couldn't even touch him (kadaj and sephiroth were the only people who managed to land a hit on him). i'm sure sephiroth has aswell. but lets not digress. we're tlaking about cluod, not seFAGroth.
Okay, so you pulled off a typical Sado move there, emphasized what I said completely and turned it back right on me.
Congratulations, although you really overshot it there I must say. See, you’re bringing up phrases which I don’t even remember saying word for word (unlike my use of your “cop out” accusations, which are pretty much what you say anyways, only with something else added in), let alone just about every last one of them in capital letters. It seems you’re taking this just a “bit” too far.
I’m just seeing a pattern here of all the segments or aspects of the kind of diction I’ve been using with you mashed haphazardly into one post.
No, actually, EACH post you’ve been just adding all those together to make me sound completely different. And what is with the ridiculous “Hulk” reference? Sorry, but that was just childish. I don’t even know where you got the stones to throw this out after telling someone else to grow up for less.
and what does "having stones" have anything to do with this, ya big sexist pig?! 😠
(also a joke 😐 )
It takes him maybe a quarter of a second.
Omnislash V5 is just about instantaneous as we have agreed. However, the charge up time for it is still remarkable; it gives Gouki more than enough time to get the hell out of the way.
Sephiroth paid dearly for it because he was not taking Cloud seriously and wasn’t entirely ready when Cloud pulled it off
It’d be probably stupid of Gouki to just try the old fashioned way, dash in. No one would be stupid enough to rush a guy with a huge sword. I imagine he’d throw a few gouhadokens to put Cloud on the defensive, ashura in while Cloud is parrying/dodging, and drag him down to hell for a Shungokusatsu. Game over, for Cloud. Basically Gouki is fast enough to keep Cloud at a distance and on the defensive long enough for him to see a bit of an opening to teleport in and pull off his super move.
Oh, the part where he ripples. I’m not even sure if that’s an in-combat teleport, truth be told.
Well, the Ashura Warp was RIDICULOUSLY slow in 3rd Strike, even I have to say that. It was slow as hell. However, in the CvS series (which represent progression in skills in Gouki’s case) it was near instantaneous and could be used freely. I’d like to think he’d use the faster warp in this case. Also, an update: I’ve been looking into the move history and apparently Misogi was actually first introduced in SvC, not Capcom vs SNK.
~Sado
Cloud doesn’t turn intangible, although it does look like it. If he really were “intangible” he would not be able to own Sephiroth. Gouki, on the other hand, has complete immunity from the physical world. If he weren’t able to do so he’d get owned by Omnislash, no mistake.
Gouki would know that SOMETHING is coming. As soon as that whirling sword turns glowing blue he’s going to think “Special attack incoming, avoid it and counter” and probably teleport straight through Cloud like he does for anyone else’s special attacks. And any idiot would know that something was up when Cloud starts charging it up.
And don’t be silly; you make it sound like Gouki is standing still and watching the entire thing.
No, not at all. Being ready for a counter means you’re prepared for the move entirely. When you’re preparing yourself for one you’re still in the process of adjusting your body, your grip on your weapon, etc.
[quoteWatch that part of the movie again. No, he was readying himself for the counter, he was clearly starting to turn his body properly towards Cloud and was switching grips on his Masamune. He was almost done when Cloud performs the Omnislash on him.[/quote]
...in other words he was prepared.
And I suppose he was smirking because of Cloud thinking he can win when Sephiroth impaled him earlier without even trying properly
No. Not even close. In fact, explain to me where on Earth you got this from, and quote me on it.
Shungokusatsu you mean?
You have to take into consideration that Shungokusatsu is not like the other moves. The defenses against it are not at all physical, but in the soul. Anyone can survive it, no matter who, provided they empty their soul in time (which Gen was able to do) before demons ripped them apart.
It does, when it has background with the actual plot/lore of the games.
Deflect; however, none of those swords are made from the exact same material nor do they have the same sharpness.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
sephiroth and kadaj "die" but neither of them had a drop of blood on them even though they were pwned by six swords. heck, even their clothes weren't shredded 😐
That's because none of them have blood(or real clothes) in the first place. Kadaj is just a spirit-body, and Sephiroth is just a bunch of J-cells together.