Classic Beyonder vs Lucifer

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I'm willing to accept what has been written on panel several times over what is written on a website or handbook. Until you can show me ON PANEL proof that Marvel is only a multiverse and not an omniverse, then there's no point in continuing this.

Of course there is no point in continuing this, you never had the proof...show me marvel stating"WE have our own omniverse" "Marvel has its own omniverse" on panel.....

firefirefireph

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1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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There we have Marvel's 2007-8 (BIO) definition of the Omniverse and TOAA!

Hmm ....

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Btw. On Panel evidence agrees 100% with this bio concerning Marvel's Omniverse:

"Reality ... Brian came to realize the size and breadth of Reality,
he learned of the Omniverse and its unending alternatives,
Alternative Realities ...
the Omniverse is the collection of All those possibilities"

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And On Panel the Marvel Omniverse is also ARTISTICALLY depicted in Marvel comics:

(many times ... this is one)

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Exiles (May 2008)

It seems in May 2008 these insane writers of the Exiles
(amongst others like X-Men, Quasar, Earth X, Infinity Abyss, Avengers, FF and Marvel Handbooks)
still think there's a Marvel Omniverse:

"Some heroes protect cities, some countries, some Worlds,
but who's looking out for the ENITRE Omniverse? ...

... One band of heroes shouldered the weight of ALL Possible UniverseS"

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Meh, it's probably just talk.

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Until we see an artistic representation On Panel of the Omniverse they're taling about,
the Omniverse they transcend and protect on the very next page: (same issue May 2008)

"Behold Crosstime ... perhaps more properly known as the Omniverse.

An Infinite number of conceptual Alternatives for All the Worlds of Creation,
we're LOOKING at the variations of SOL III, (Earth-616) better known as the planet Earth,
from this perspective, THIS World looks very much like our own"

Hey look at that,
I guess there are variations of Earth 616 in DC too ey? 😆

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And this Marvel Bio corroborates that,
literally stating that Marvel's numerical system for realities,
directly applies to the Omniverse:

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(Late 2007)

Core Continuum Designation

"Numerical identification given to each Earth in the Omniverse"

Here are a few examples of Marvel's Core Continuum DesignationS:

"Crooked World - Core Continuum Designation: Earth-238"

"2020 - Core Continuum Designation: Earth-8410"

"Earth A - Core Continuum Designation: Earth-721"

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Originally posted by Mr Master
firefirefireph

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1. [B]Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

..............................................................................

There we have Marvel's 2007-8 (BIO) definition of the Omniverse and TOAA!

Hmm ....

..............................................................................

Btw. On Panel evidence agrees 100% with this bio concerning Marvel's Omniverse:

"Reality ... Brian came to realize the size and breadth of Reality,
he learned of the Omniverse and its unending alternatives,
Alternative Realities ...
the Omniverse is the collection of All those possibilities"

..............................................................................

And On Panel the Marvel Omniverse is also ARTISTICALLY depicted in Marvel comics:

(many times ... this is one)

..............................................................................

Exiles (May 2008)

It seems in May 2008 these insane writers of the Exiles
(amongst others like X-Men, Quasar, Earth X, Infinity Abyss, Avengers, FF and Marvel Handbooks)
still think there's a Marvel Omniverse:

"Some heroes protect cities, some countries, some Worlds,
but who's looking out for the ENITRE Omniverse? ...

... One band of heroes shouldered the weight of ALL Possible UniverseS"

..............................................................................

Meh, it's probably just talk.

..............................................................................

Until we see an artistic representation On Panel of the Omniverse they're taling about,
the Omniverse they transcend and protect on the very next page: (same issue May 2008)

"Behold Crosstime ... perhaps more properly known as the Omniverse.

An Infinite number of conceptual Alternatives for All the Worlds of Creation,
we're LOOKING at the variations of SOL III, (Earth-616) better known as the planet Earth,
from this perspective, THIS World looks very much like our own"

Hey look at that,
I guess there are variations of Earth 616 in DC too ey? 😆

..............................................................................

And this Marvel Bio corroborates that,
literally stating that Marvel's numerical system for realities,
directly applies to the Omniverse:

====================================

(Late 2007)

Core Continuum Designation

"Numerical identification given to each Earth in the Omniverse"

Here are a few examples of Marvel's Core Continuum DesignationS:

"Crooked World - Core Continuum Designation: Earth-238"

"2020 - Core Continuum Designation: Earth-8410"

"Earth A - Core Continuum Designation: Earth-721"

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All show and no tell,still you have no proof

durznuts

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^stop riding yourself and answer the damned queries dumass.

{btw, it was also ON PANEL that thanos destroyed the UNIVERSE. marvel is an ON panel contradiction moron thats the POINT every1 has been trying to get across the crap in your head}

Originally posted by Mr Master
durznuts

Yep there is the smile we all talk about.....you never change do you 🙁

Oh and your reported for spamming the thread

Originally posted by leonheartmm

durlaugh

1.

(This is from the actual Marvel Handbook Bio 2006) - Eternity

"Thanos claimed the Power of THOTI,

Eternity opposed Thanos once more,

Thanos destroyed ALL of Reality"

2.

(This is from the actual Marvel Handbook Bio 2006) - Living Tribunal

"Thanos destroyed ALL that Existed with his power ...
and then Restored Reality"

3.

(This is from the actual Marvel Handbook Bio 2006) - Infinity

Thanos used THOTI to destroy All Reality

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Notice that none of the Bios mention (1 - or - O-N-E - or - A) Universe.

What it does clearly state is:

"Thanos destroyed ALL of Reality"

"Thanos destroyed ALL that Existed"

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And Jim Starlin agrees ... it was the ENTIRE Marvel Universe!

(creator/writer of Thanos and the End: Marvel)

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From Comicon:

Another Jim Starlin interview:

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000382

"Thanos and the resurrected Pharaoh Akhenaten compete for the ultimate power"

...

"Figured if I was going to kill off the entire Marvel Universe
it ought to be the real thing"

Have you actually read the thread? It's been stated SEVERAL times on panel where a Marvel character has referred to all reality as the omniverse. They are not talking about DC, Thundercats, Spongebob, Teletubbies, or whatever else is out there.

Roma is the omniversal guardian (FACT), but she has nothing to do with any other company. How do you explain that? (and don't say "it's a hyperbole." That's weak)

Originally posted by Mr Master
durlaugh

1.

(This is from the actual Marvel Handbook Bio 2006) - [B]Eternity

"Thanos claimed the Power of THOTI,

Eternity opposed Thanos once more,

Thanos destroyed ALL of Reality"

2.

(This is from the actual Marvel Handbook Bio 2006) - Living Tribunal

"Thanos destroyed ALL that Existed with his power ...
and then Restored Reality"

3.

(This is from the actual Marvel Handbook Bio 2006) - Infinity

Thanos used THOTI to destroy All Reality

========================================

Notice that none of the Bios mention (1 - or - O-N-E - or - A) Universe.

What it does clearly state is:

"Thanos destroyed ALL of Reality"

"Thanos destroyed ALL that Existed"

========================================

And Jim Starlin agrees ... it was the ENTIRE Marvel Universe!

(creator/writer of Thanos and the End: Marvel)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

From Comicon:

Another Jim Starlin interview:

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000382

"Thanos and the resurrected Pharaoh Akhenaten compete for the ultimate power"

...

"Figured if I was going to kill off the entire Marvel Universe
it ought to be the real thing" [/B]

LMAO

1. he DIDNT destroy ALL that existed, warlock and death survived willingly or unwillingly. please do not bring this up again.

2. not ONCE in there do i read the word MULTIVERSE, or MEGAVERSE, or OMNIVERSE. lol. nice try. when you find these non existant words, let me know, otherwise ill take your idea and call it as i see it, thanos destroyed a UNIVERSE on panel and thats it and thats the extent of the strength of LT. see how that works my friend?

Originally posted by starlock

[B]Yep there is the smile we all talk about.....you never change do you

Originally posted by starlock

Oh and your reported for spamming the thread

Yea, cause proof is spam,
but empty unsupported intransigence is what we're all looking for ey.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Have you actually read the thread? It's been stated SEVERAL times on panel where a Marvel character has referred to all reality as the omniverse. They are not talking about DC, Thundercats, Spongebob, Teletubbies, or whatever else is out there.

Roma is the omniversal guardian (FACT), but she has nothing to do with any other company. How do you explain that? (and don't say "it's a hyperbole." That's weak)

Yes i read the threads, but ones view and opinion does not equall fact,they can call their creation bombad for all i care, its still within one omniverse which DC and others are part of....i posted the link and even bumped the thread, have you read the thread?

Show me Marvel stating "marvel has its own omniverse" " on panel....where is it?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Have you actually read the thread? It's been stated SEVERAL times on panel where a Marvel character has referred to all reality as the omniverse. They are not talking about DC, Thundercats, Spongebob, Teletubbies, or whatever else is out there.

Roma is the omniversal guardian (FACT), but she has nothing to do with any other company. How do you explain that? (and don't say "it's a hyperbole." That's weak)

then they are using the wrong definition since omniverse by definition includes all realities outside marvel too. the fact that roma has nothing to do with any other companies is fact enough to prove that she isnt an OMNIVERSAL guardian at all, otherwise its impossible to not have sway on other companies. it simply means that marvel uses wrong and misleading terms. that is how i explain it. i have no problem calling a multiverse and omniverse as long as the OPPOSITION accepts that we are referring to the same thing by different names and dont start making silly arguments which put the feat of LT holding to megaverses{according to marvel's definition} as anything greater than any other being holding two universes in another publisher's reality.

Your intransigence doesn't affect me at all,
I'll simply continue to post ON PANEL proof from Marvel Comics,
confirmed in official Marvel Handbooks,
and further corroborated by the WRITER himself!

Originally posted by Mr Master
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From Comicon:

Another Jim Starlin interview:

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000382

"Thanos and the resurrected Pharaoh Akhenaten compete for the ultimate power"

...

"Figured if I was going to kill off the entire Marvel Universe
it ought to be the real thing"

^ so the great OMNIVERSAL guardian was done in by the death of a UNIVERSE{as said by jim starlin}. lmao, your destroying your argument by your own hands little man!

Originally posted by leonheartmm
then they are using the wrong definition since omniverse by definition includes all realities outside marvel too. the fact that roma has nothing to do with any other companies is fact enough to prove that she isnt an OMNIVERSAL guardian at all, otherwise its impossible to not have sway on other companies. it simply means that marvel uses wrong and misleading terms. that is how i explain it. i have no problem calling a multiverse and omniverse as long as the OPPOSITION accepts that we are referring to the same thing by different names and dont start making silly arguments which put the feat of LT holding to megaverses{according to marvel's definition} as anything greater than any other being holding two universes in another publisher's reality.

Originally posted by starlock

Show me Marvel stating "marvel has its own omniverse" " on panel....where is it?

..............................................................................

The Marvel Omniverse ... On Panel! May 2008)

..............................................................................

"Behold Crosstime ... perhaps more properly known as the Omniverse.

An Infinite number of conceptual Alternatives for All the Worlds of Creation,
we're LOOKING at the variations of SOL III, (Earth-616) better known as the planet Earth,
from this perspective, THIS World looks very much like our own"

yawn

NOW,
unless DC has variations of Earth-616 ... stop hatin? 😆

Damn, what a grudge!

Originally posted by starlock
Yes i read the threads, but ones view and opinion does not equall fact,they can call their creation bombad for all i care, its still within one omniverse which DC and others are part of....i posted the link and even bumped the thread, have you read the thread?

Show me Marvel stating "marvel has its own omniverse" " on panel....where is it?

I don't need to read it. I've read several characters and writers on panel refer to it an an omniverse. That's all anyone (any logical person anyway) needs as proof. So DC is wrong when they referred to themselves as an omniverse also?

Originally posted by celestialdemon

I don't need to read it. I've read several characters and writers on panel refer to it an an omniverse. That's all anyone (any logical person anyway) needs as proof. So DC is wrong when they referred to themselves as an omniverse also?