If god is perfect, god is satan

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
if you watch the Exorcist, you'll see that the Devil couldn't be so evil, he couldn't do the things he did unless he knew what it was like to be good.

...horror film theology ftw!!

Originally posted by chickenlover98
but if god knows everything nothing is a choice. with complete prior knowledge your destined to preform an action, therefore negating anysort of choice

yeah, but maybe there are many pre-determined destinies and our choices decide which we live. If God does all, he knows every decision that we will be faced with and maybe each choice leads to it's own predetermined destiny, but we still have free choice to decide on which path we take.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
in the Christian religion, god is perfect in everyway and all powerful. we know this isnt true because of the hundreds of contradictions but lets take it as fact.

if god is perfect in EVERYWAY then he must be the perfect good AND the perfect evil. if he is not, then he is not truly perfect, because he is lacking. similarly, if god is perfect he must never lie, and be the best liar ever. we come to a paradox here, because he can never do wrong, yet is the perfect wrongdoer.

Instead of just saying you're wrong, I'll give you a present.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
yeah, but maybe there are many pre-determined destinies and our choices decide which we live. If God does all, he knows every decision that we will be faced with and maybe each choice leads to it's own predetermined destiny, but we still have free choice to decide on which path we take.

however without knowledge every choice is "free"

Originally posted by Toku King
Instead of just saying you're wrong, I'll give you a present.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
You can´t use the human word Logic (logic is the philosophical study, or the formal science, of the principles of valid inference and demonstration) in this situation, because all our logic is based on the earthly discoveries and laws, a speck a in vast universe.

There are probably other laws, and sciences out there which may appear illogical, but still exist.

Think back on history and you will see that this is a truth. For example, take knowledge of computers, TVs, Cellphones, and other electronic devices that we use on a daily basis back to the middle ages, or even the 1800's and much of the 1900's and they will think of these machines as illogical and impossible, because their logic was based on what was known at that time. But, since we live in a time that these are in constant contact with these objects, it seems perfectly rational to think about their existance. So why do people think that our logic is so exelent even now?

Originally posted by chickenlover98
but if god knows everything nothing is a choice. with complete prior knowledge your destined to preform an action, therefore negating anysort of choice

That statement is true... IF our logic is perfect, which we know it isn't. Look to my previous example for an enlightening illustration.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
...horror film theology ftw!!

I'm appalled you didn't counter with Lucifer.

Originally posted by Kapton JAC
Think back on history and you will see that this is a truth. For example, take knowledge of computers, TVs, Cellphones, and other electronic devices that we use on a daily basis back to the middle ages, or even the 1800's and much of the 1900's and they will think of these machines as illogical and impossible, because their logic was based on what was known at that time. But, since we live in a time that these are in constant contact with these objects, it seems perfectly rational to think about their existance. So why do people think that our logic is so exelent even now?

That statement is true... IF our logic is perfect, which we know it isn't. Look to my previous example for an enlightening illustration.

You guys do know that demons/devils/whatever are just "fallen angels" right?

* in accordance to the bible

Originally posted by chickenlover98
in the Christian religion, god is perfect in everyway and all powerful. we know this isnt true because of the hundreds of contradictions but lets take it as fact.

if god is perfect in EVERYWAY then he must be the perfect good AND the perfect evil. if he is not, then he is not truly perfect, because he is lacking. similarly, if god is perfect he must never lie, and be the best liar ever. we come to a paradox here, because he can never do wrong, yet is the perfect wrongdoer.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
in the Christian religion, god is perfect in everyway and all powerful. we know this isnt true because of the hundreds of contradictions but lets take it as fact.

if god is perfect in EVERYWAY then he must be the perfect good AND the perfect evil. if he is not, then he is not truly perfect, because he is lacking. similarly, if god is perfect he must never lie, and be the best liar ever. we come to a paradox here, because he can never do wrong, yet is the perfect wrongdoer.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
This is dumb. Really, really dumb. Seriously, don't try and pass this pseudophilosophical/pseudointellectual tripe off as anything but the excrement that it is. If you want to play stupid word games, go play the daily Jumble.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
thank you for YET AGAIN adding absolutely nothing to a discussion. play your strengths bud.

He wasn't incorrect however.

I prefer the omniscience/free will paradox.

I didn't realize it was one.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I didn't realize it was one.

Using most definitions of omniscience it is.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Using most definitions of omniscience it is.

Depends on your definition of time though doesn't it.

Originally posted by chithappens
You guys do know that demons/devils/whatever are just "fallen angels" right?

* in accordance to the bible

Originally posted by chickenlover98
in the Christian religion, god is perfect in everyway and all powerful. we know this isnt true because of the hundreds of contradictions but lets take it as fact.

if god is perfect in EVERYWAY then he must be the perfect good AND the perfect evil. if he is not, then he is not truly perfect, because he is lacking. similarly, if god is perfect he must never lie, and be the best liar ever. we come to a paradox here, because he can never do wrong, yet is the perfect wrongdoer.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I prefer the omniscience/free will paradox.